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J. Philippe Rushton Member # 17090	posted Why is Maiherpri designated as Nubian by Egyptologists? It's because he looks NOTHING like any of the other mummies. Surely, if Egypt was LOADED WITH NEGROIDS we should see MORE THAN ONE with typically knappy negro hair, but we dont! “This wig is still tightly attached to the head of the “Nubian” warrior and high official Maiherpri. The wig is the only one so far found made with black (1/0), heliotrichous (Negroid) hair, it consists of hundreds of tight ringletted tresses.” (“Egyptian Museum Collections Around The World”page 1145 Mamdouh Mohamed Eldamaty, Zahi A. Hawass, Mai Trad 2002) “In contrast to such highly artificial examples, the Nubian fan-bearer Maiherpri had been buried (KV36) with a unique coiffure of short tight spirals of heliotrichous hair set over his shaven head, giving the impression of a totally natural style.” (Cairo CG2400; Daressy 1902, “Ancient Egyptian Materials and Technology" Paul Nicholson, Ian Shaw 2000) “The Nubian fan bearer, Maherpra, was also buried in the Royal Valley, but in contrast to the previous highly artificial styles he wore a unique coiffure of short tight spirals of his own heliotrichous (Negroid) hair set over his shaven head, creating the impression of a totally natural style.” (Daressy 1903, page 74-75. “The Ostragon” volume 13, number 2, 2002) “The physical features and hair of his properly mummified body make it certain that Maiherpri was of Nubian origin. He is the only known Nubian to be buried in this exclusive royal cemetery, and his position was of a valued servant…burial items included… a copy of the Book of the Dead in which he appears as the dark-skinned deceased.” (“Historical Dictionary Of Ancient And Medieval Nubia" Richard Lobban 2004) “Thus the demonstrably negroid features of the high official Maiherpri did not prevent him from attaining the special privilege of a burial in the Valley of the Kings at about the time of Thutmose III (1479-1425 B.C.). In the same way, a man called Aper-el whose name indicates his Near Eastern roots, rose to the rank of vizier (the highest civil office below that of the king himself) in the late 18th Dynasty. (“The Oxford History Of Ancient Egypt” Ian Shaw 2003) “Hair was predominately used to construct the wigs and false braids which served as items of daily and funerary attire throughout the Pharaonic period (Fletcher 1995). The hair employed for this purpose was specifically human hair, and in almost every case can be identified as cynotrichous (Caucasian) rather than heliotrichous (Negroid) (Hrdy 1978; Titlbachova and Titlbach 1977; Brunton 1937; el-Tatrawi 1935).” (“Ancient Egyptian Materials and Technology" Paul Nicholson, Ian Shaw 2000)
Bob_01 Member # 15687	posted The Nubian is a Caucasian one day, and the Nubian is "negroid" in an other day. Look through the forum, most data suggests that ancient Egyptians cluster the most with "Nubians". To make matters worse, these papers you cite don't appear to be primary sources either. One would except that 19th century racist terminologies would be used, but modern primary research in various areas suggest an African origin. It's ironic, though, considering written language (the greatest human innovation) has an origin within the Sudan complex. Kmt is a lot older as one approaches Sudan as well.
MindoverMatter718 Member # 15400	posted quote: It's because he looks NOTHING like any of the other mummies. He is not confirmed to be a Nubian sorry, and I would love to know what the differences are between the mummy above and the mummies below.... How about facial features, what's so different, what's similiar? Gee, look at the same overbite shared by all mummies above...... Now note what is conlcuded from James Harris and Edward Wente Harris and Wente note the prevalence of dental prognathism among Nubians. Often this is combined with malocclusion. Similar incidence can be found in other African peoples. For example, one study found that a sample taken from the Kenya showed 61.3% of Maasai had diastema; 84% of Kikuyu had overbite and 99% had overjet; and 24% of Kalenjin had anterior open bite. (J. Hassanali, GP Pokhariyal, "Anterior tooth relations in Kenyan Africans, Archives of Oral Biology 38 [Apr 1993] 337-42). Although these dental traits can often be acquired through habits like thumb-sucking, as noted by Harris and Wente, the high frequency in the royal mummies indicates a genetic origin as found in Africans.
Djehuti Member # 6698	posted Yawn Another repetitious retard topic beaten many times before! First of all, there is NO proof whatsoever that Maiherpri was 'Nubian'!! Nothing in his tomb inscriptions or in any documents referring to him state he was Nhsi (Nubian). The ONLY reason why he is presumed to be Nubian is because of his very dark ebony-like complexion which is darker than the typical mahogany or chocolate brown complexion of Egyptians! The only problem though is such ebony complexions are not uncommon in Egypt, especially southern Upper Egypt. Tiye, Great Wife of Amenhotep III Because of Tiye's complexion she too was speculated to be 'Nubian', and no doubt there were other royals including pharaohs with similar complexions especially since all the major dynasties came from southern Egypt. Second, that Maiherpri's wig had kinky textured hair means nothing. Besides the fact explained ad-naseum that black Africans vary in hair texture, kinky type hair was also not uncommon in Egypt. Even today many rural Egyptians especially in the south but even light-skinned Egyptians in the north have kinky type afro hair! Maiherpri's wig is by far NOT an anomaly for there are actually various mummies with that type of hair. Below is one example... Lady Rai, nurse of Ahmose-Nefertari ^ Mathilda and other twits claim the Lady Rai also to be 'Nubian' simply because her hair (not a wig but her actual hair) is of the kinky variety. Nevermind that NOTHING in her tomb or pertaining historical documents say such. One must ask the question, why would the Egyptians make a wig for Maiherpri or any other person using kinky hair if such hair is not common to Egypt? Was this some sort of 'special' custom-made wig for a Nubian foreigner?? If so, it really refutes the notion of Egyptians looking upon Nubians as lowly inferior people! Which brings me to the third point below... I notice Rushton cites sources-- a couple of which describe Maiherpri as simply a fan-bearer and another as a valued servant. Of course such is the typical rhetoric that relegates 'Nubians' always as some sort of servant class even though the truth is Nubian peoples have played far more significant roles in Egyptian society, and again there is NO conclusive proof that Maiherpri was Nubian! Maiherpri's occupation and role is made very clear in his tomb inscriptions and official documents. His second title is 'Royal Fan-Bearer of the Right Hand Side'. Now for those of you unfamiliar with this title, he was NOT just some simple fan bearer whose job was to only fan the pharaoh all day! 'Of the Right Hand Side' indicates he was literally the pharaoh's right hand man with the pharaoh in this case being Thutmose IV! This position meant that not only was he a personal advisor to the king, but that he also was a federal administrator to the nation. His position would have been not so different from the U.S. Secretary of State today, which is why a couple of the other sources Rushton cited are more accurate in describing him as a high official. On top of that, as all fan-bearers he was also a body-guard of the king. But his first and foremost title was 'Child of the Royal Nursery', meaning he was a PRINCE of the pharaoh's household. Either he was a child of the pharoah by a minor wife or concubine, or he was adopted. It is not known which, but many presume the latter being from Nubia again only because of his appearance. Either way, as a prince he was brought up in the house of pharaoh likely Thutmose III, since he was a schoolmate of Thutmose III's son Amenhotep II. When Amenhotep II was succeeded by his son, Thutmose IV was when Maiherpri became Royal Fan-Bearer of the Right Hand Side. Whether he was of Nubian ancestry or not, it is clear he was an Egyptian prince and it couldn't be obvious enough since the guy was buried in THE VALLEY OF KINGS! It is a basic fact that ONLY Egyptian royals were buried in the Valley of the Kings! All royal cemetaries were considered sacred grounds, especially the Kings' Valley and NO non-royals or foreigners were allowed to be interred there! Which is why the very idea that not only was Maiherpri a non-Egyptian foreigner but a non-royal servant is hilarious!! And lastly of course is the FACT that has been stated in several threads recently that 'Nubians' and Egyptians are closely related peoples anyway! IF by any chance Maiherpri was Nubian, what is so different from the way he looked compared to other Egyptians, especially other 18th dynasty royals?? Maiherpri Tutankhamun ^ As Mind pointed out, Maiherpri shares the same "overbite" common to other 18th dynasty royals which is really prognathism! The late XVII Dynasty and XVIII Dynasty royal mummies display the strongest Nubian affinities. In terms of maxillary protrusion as measured by SNA, the mean value for these Pharaohs is 84.21 comparable to that of African Americans.. --James Harris and Edward Wente. X-ray Atlas of the Royal Mummies (Chicago: University of Chicago, 1980)
zarahan Member # 15718	posted You raise a good point. How do we know that indeed he is a Nubian? Because of his dark skin? But dark skin is not "foreign" to Egypt, but part of the native mix. Some say he is identified as "Nubian" because of the tightly coiled wig that he wore. "wig is the only one so far found made with black (1/0), heliotrichous (Negroid) hair.." But Egyptians procured hair from a variety of sources to make their wigs. Simply because this particular wig is of a certain hair does not mean it is the hair of the original tomb dweller. It is a wig after all. Indeed, to flip around the equation, Egyptians themselves copied the wig styles of Nubians. [quote] "Nefertiti and her daughter seem to have set a trend for wearing the Nubian wig.. a coiffure first worn by Nubian mercenaries and clearly associated with the military." A detail of a wall scene in Theban tomb TT.55 shows the queen wearing the Nubian wig." (Fletcher 2002) So both Egyptians and Nubians commonly wore wigs, and hair for wigs were procured from a wide variety of sources. Indeed hair was a major trade item in the city of Kahun, and bundles of hair from different sources are routinely found in ancient Egyptian tombs, rendering some claims about "Negroid" versus "Caucasoid" hair as to original owners suspect. So is it because of a wig that Mahiperi is Nubian, when everybody- both Nubian and Egyptian wore wigs? Some say his facial features make him Nubian, but since Nubians are the closest people ethnically to the Egyptians, (Godde 2009) and the Egyptians are a variable group, how come his particular features get classified as "Nubian" and not Egyptian? By the accounts you offer, Mahiperi was a quite important royal official. He was quite clearly accepted as an Egyptian. Would not his alleged "hair" then be part of the indigenous Egyptian mix? Why do you think assorted writers want him to be Nubian?
StTigray Member # 16910	posted This is awesome,
Djehuti Member # 6698	posted quote: Originally posted by zarahan: You raise a good point. How do we know that indeed he is a Nubian? Because of his dark skin? But dark skin is not "foreign" to Egypt, but part of the native mix. That's the thing-- we don't know if Maiherpri is of Nubian origin, as his parentage is unspecified; however there is NOTHING to suggest that he is. As I said, Maiherpri's complexion is not unusual in Upper Egypt. Ausar himself has pointed out in many occasions that even today among rural Sa'idi there are people who have the same complexions as Maiherpri and Tiye. quote: Some say he is identified as "Nubian" because of the tightly coiled wig that he wore. "wig is the only one so far found made with black (1/0), heliotrichous (Negroid) hair.." But Egyptians procured hair from a variety of sources to make their wigs. Simply because this particular wig is of a certain hair does not mean it is the hair of the original tomb dweller. It is a wig after all. Indeed, to flip around the equation, Egyptians themselves copied the wig styles of Nubians. "Nefertiti and her daughter seem to have set a trend for wearing the Nubian wig.. a coiffure first worn by Nubian mercenaries and clearly associated with the military." A detail of a wall scene in Theban tomb TT.55 shows the queen wearing the Nubian wig." (Fletcher 2002) So both Egyptians and Nubians commonly wore wigs, and hair for wigs were procured from a wide variety of sources. Indeed hair was a major trade item in the city of Kahun, and bundles of hair from different sources are routinely found in ancient Egyptian tombs, rendering some claims about "Negroid" versus "Caucasoid" hair as to original owners suspect. So is it because of a wig that Mahiperi is Nubian, when everybody- both Nubian and Egyptian wore wigs? My point exactly! A person's wig is no indication of what the actual person's hair was like! I even gave an example of Lady Rai whose actual hair and not a wig is also of the 'kinky' texture, and she is by far not the only one. The fact that the Egyptians adopted Nubian hairstyles and wigs is just another sign of the close relations between the cultures as they are BOTH Nile Valley African. quote: Some say his facial features make him Nubian, but since Nubians are the closest people ethnically to the Egyptians, (Godde 2009) and the Egyptians are a variable group, how come his particular features get classified as "Nubian" and not Egyptian? I am also surprised and befuddled that anyone could say that his facial features are somehow unique or distinguished when they are NO different from other Egyptians especially fellow 18th dynasty royals! Such people have obviously not seen many mummies and only know of the typical most "caucasian" looking ones like Ramses the Great, the Elder Lady, etc. Even Tut's mummy looks similar to Maiherpri! quote: By the accounts you offer, Mahiperi was a quite important royal official. He was quite clearly accepted as an Egyptian. Would not his alleged "hair" then be part of the indigenous Egyptian mix? Why do you think assorted writers want him to be Nubian? Yes, but the point is that Maiherpri was not only a royal official and was not "accepted" as an Egyptian, he WAS an Egyptian and PRINCE! Why else would be buried in the Valley of the Kings??!
J. Philippe Rushton Member # 17090	posted First of all, there is NO proof whatsoever that Maiherpri was 'Nubian'!! Nothing in his tomb inscriptions or in any documents referring to him state he was Nhsi (Nubian). Or nothing stating that he wasn't for that matter... The ONLY reason why he is presumed to be Nubian is because of his very dark ebony-like complexion which is darker than the typical mahogany or chocolate brown complexion of Egyptians! First of all....I would REALLY like to see you cough up some evidence stating that Maiherpri wasn't a Nubian, this is an Afrocentric claim, not one put forth by experts. SEE QUOTES BELOW: Why is Maiherpri designated as Nubian by Egyptologists? It's because he looks NOTHING like any of the other mummies. Surely, if Egypt was LOADED WITH NEGROIDS we should see MORE THAN ONE with typically knappy nigger hair, but we dont! “This wig is still tightly attached to the head of the “Nubian” warrior and high official Maiherpri. The wig is the only one so far found made with black (1/0), heliotrichous (Negroid) hair, it consists of hundreds of tight ringletted tresses.” (“Egyptian Museum Collections Around The World”page 1145 Mamdouh Mohamed Eldamaty, Zahi A. Hawass, Mai Trad 2002) “In contrast to such highly artificial examples, the Nubian fan-bearer Maiherpri had been buried (KV36) with a unique coiffure of short tight spirals of heliotrichous hair set over his shaven head, giving the impression of a totally natural style.” (Cairo CG2400; Daressy 1902, “Ancient Egyptian Materials and Technology" Paul Nicholson, Ian Shaw 2000) “The Nubian fan bearer, Maherpra, was also buried in the Royal Valley, but in contrast to the previous highly artificial styles he wore a unique coiffure of short tight spirals of his own heliotrichous (Negroid) hair set over his shaven head, creating the impression of a totally natural style.” (Daressy 1903, page 74-75. “The Ostragon” volume 13, number 2, 2002) “The physical features and hair of his properly mummified body make it certain that Maiherpri was of Nubian origin. He is the only known Nubian to be buried in this exclusive royal cemetery, and his position was of a valued servant…burial items included… a copy of the Book of the Dead in which he appears as the dark-skinned deceased.” (“Historical Dictionary Of Ancient And Medieval Nubia" Richard Lobban 2004) “Thus the demonstrably negroid features of the high official Maiherpri did not prevent him from attaining the special privilege of a burial in the Valley of the Kings at about the time of Thutmose III (1479-1425 B.C.). In the same way, a man called Aper-el whose name indicates his Near Eastern roots, rose to the rank of vizier (the highest civil office below that of the king himself) in the late 18th Dynasty. (“The Oxford History Of Ancient Egypt” Ian Shaw 2003) “Hair was predominately used to construct the wigs and false braids which served as items of daily and funerary attire throughout the Pharaonic period (Fletcher 1995). The hair employed for this purpose was specifically human hair, and in almost every case can be identified as cynotrichous (Caucasian) rather than heliotrichous (Negroid) (Hrdy 1978; Titlbachova and Titlbach 1977; Brunton 1937; el-Tatrawi 1935).” (“Ancient Egyptian Materials and Technology" Paul Nicholson, Ian Shaw 2000) Look at the names of the people ^ Ian Shaw, Zahi Hawass, etc. Those are Egyptologists all stating that Maiherpri was a NUBIAN. All you have offered is nonsense OPINION and a complete waste of time trying to force something that never was. He is designated NUBIAN due to his heliotrichous hair read that last quote stating "in almost every case can be identified as cynotrichous (Caucasian) rather than heliotrichous (Negroid)" Could THAT be the reason why he is classified as NUBIAN? Why do all the others have Caucasian hair as the scientist state? Could it be due to his PHYSICAL FEATURES that are completely different from the others? Could it be because he is the ONLY ONE in the Book of the Dead to be colored jet black while ALL THE OTHERS are red? Here is the image you failed at attempting to upload: The only problem though is such ebony complexions are not uncommon in Egypt, especially southern Upper Egypt. Oh that's interesting, considering he is the ONLY one painted jet black along with the knappy hair in the BOTD. Tiye, Great Wife of Amenhotep III "The color of the yewwood gave the face a bright orange hue", is the direct quote from the English version of Berlin's Egyptian Museum "Masterpieces" catalog (Wildung, Dietrich. Egyptian Art in Berlin: Masterpieces in the Bodemuseum and in Charlottenburg. Verlag Philipp von Zaber. p.22. 1996. ISBN 3-8053-1631-3) Freshly cut Yew Wood: Yew wood always darkens dramatically over time and after 3000 years the bust of Tiye is what you're left with. What, you think wood never rots or distorts/discolors? LMAO. The mummy however is that of a White Caucasian with pointy features, remember, they had in almost every case cynotrichous (Caucasian) rather than heliotrichous (Negroid). Maiherpri obviously deviates from the standard. “…darker skin was the exception rather than the rule.” (“Faces Of Pharaohs Royal Mummies And Coffins From Ancient Thebes” Robert B Partridge) Because of Tiye's complexion she too was speculated to be 'Nubian', and no doubt there were other royals including pharaohs with similar complexions especially since all the major dynasties came from southern Egypt. South does not mean negroid. Nekhen - where some of these pharaohs came was far to the south and the vast majority of hair samples discovered at the site were "cynotrichous (Caucasian) in type as opposed to heliotrichous (Negroid), a feature which is standard throughout dynastic times." ...The most common hair color then, as now, was a very dark brown, almost black color, although natural auburn and even (rather surprisingly) blonde hair are also to be found.” (Joann Fletcher 1998) Even at Nabta Playa there is evidence of Caucasians... "Around 8100 years ago sheep and goats occur for the first time at Nabta, almost certainly introduced from Southwest Asia, where domestic caprovids had been known for over 2000 years.” (“Nabta Playa and its role in Northeastern African Prehistory" Journal of Anthropological Archaeology) "Cranial analysis of slightly later populations nearby have shown the population to have been intermediate to ancient Eurasians and East Africans.” (Ancient Archaeology Magazine) Second, that Maiherpri's wig had kinky textured hair means nothing. Oh,... I thought it did considering how you Afrocentrics always rely on Herodotus words... Besides the fact explained ad-naseum that black Africans vary in hair texture, kinky type hair was also not uncommon in Egypt. Thats because it wasnt negroid hair. Its funny that you Afrocentrics sometimes argue that the Egyptians did not look like a negroid people. It's bizarre! Even today many rural Egyptians especially in the south but even light-skinned Egyptians in the north have kinky type afro hair! They also have straight Caucasian hair due to all that Eurasian gene flow from the Neolithic. Ahh the wonders of modern transportation. Your argument is moot. Maiherpri's wig is by far NOT an anomaly for there are actually various mummies with that type of hair. Nope. This is OPINION. I've got the facts quoted above to support it. Below is one example... Lady Rai, nurse of Ahmose-Nefertari ^ Mathilda and other twits claim the Lady Rai also to be 'Nubian' simply because her hair (not a wig but her actual hair) is of the kinky variety. It is braided, held in place by embalming materials (resins) and after 3,000 years that is the outcome. That is not negroid hair, but since you are the one claiming it is, the onus is on you to prove it. Nevermind that NOTHING in her tomb or pertaining historical documents say such. Or dont say such...Funny, I'm not the one claiming that Rai is a negroid or Nubian... One must ask the question, why would the Egyptians make a wig for Maiherpri or any other person using kinky hair if such hair is not common to Egypt? Was this some sort of 'special' custom-made wig for a Nubian foreigner?? If so, it really refutes the notion of Egyptians looking upon Nubians as lowly inferior people! Which brings me to the third point below... Boring... “The Nubian fan bearer, Maherpra, was also buried in the Royal Valley, but in contrast to the previous highly artificial styles he wore a unique coiffure of short tight spirals of his own heliotrichous (Negroid) hair set over his shaven head, creating the impression of a totally natural style.” (Daressy 1903, page 74-75. “The Ostragon” volume 13, number 2, 2002) CONTINUE
MindoverMatter718 Member # 15400	posted ^^^ Learn how to quote properly, or is that you want to be obscure so that you can continue in your ignorance?
J. Philippe Rushton Member # 17090	posted I notice you cites sources-- a couple of which describe Maiherpri as simply a fan-bearer and another as a valued servant. Of course such is the typical rhetoric What are your credentials to accuse the Egyptologists quotes as "rhetoric"? What have you contributed to the field of anthropology or Egyptology? Thats what I thought. In other words you are projecting your Afrocentric opinion because you do not like the facts. that relegates 'Nubians' always as some sort of servant class even though the truth is Nubian peoples have played far more significant roles in Egyptian society, and again there is NO conclusive proof that Maiherpri was Nubian! LOL, tell that to the Egyptologist. Stop flinging your opinion around expecting everyone to believe it hook, line and sinker - and cite some damn sources. Maiherpri's occupation and role is made very clear in his tomb inscriptions and official documents. His second title is 'Royal Fan-Bearer of the Right Hand Side'. Now for those of you unfamiliar with this title, he was NOT just some simple fan bearer whose job was to only fan the pharaoh all day! You are injecting more OPINIONS. He was a NUBIAN Fan-Bearer with negroid hair and negroid physical features. Why is he the ONLY one like this buried in the VK? Where are all the "WOOLLY" haired negroes that you Afrocentrics claim Herodotus said in 450B.C.? IF that were the case, Egypt should be LOADED with them, instead what we have from professional EGYPTOLOGISTS and ANTHROPOLOGISTS is : “…darker skin was the exception rather than the rule.” (“Faces Of Pharaohs Royal Mummies And Coffins From Ancient Thebes” Robert B Partridge) [color="red"]“…The hair employed for this purpose was specifically human hair, and in almost every case can be identified as cynotrichous (Caucasian) rather than heliotrichous (Negroid) But what do you have? Baseless accusations and opinions. You still havent cited one single source to support ANY of of your "claims" . All royal cemetaries were considered sacred grounds, especially the Kings' Valley and NO non-royals or foreigners were allowed to be interred there! Which is why the very idea that not only was Maiherpri a non-Egyptian foreigner but a non-royal servant is hilarious!! Hmm... dont you Afrocentrics claim that Yuya was a foreigner? He was buried there. And lastly of course is the FACT that has been stated in several threads recently that 'Nubians' and Egyptians are closely related peoples anyway! Which is due to all that Caucasian gene flow. Nabta Playa....Nekhen....etc. IF by any chance Maiherpri was Nubian, what is so different from the way he looked compared to other Egyptians, especially other 18th dynasty royals?? He doesnt look like other Egyptians based on all the evidence above. Apparently you dont realize there are numerous villages within Nubia. Egyptian texts speak of a land in Upper Nubia called "Yam." Besides troops from "Wawat, Irtjet, and Setju" (Lower Nubia), troops from Yam were hired for service in the Egyptian army. They used negroes and mixes to fight their battles so that they wouldn't have to. The late XVII Dynasty and XVIII Dynasty royal mummies display the strongest Nubian affinities. In terms of maxillary protrusion as measured by SNA, the mean value for these Pharaohs is 84.21 comparable to that of African Americans.. --James Harris and Edward Wente. X-ray Atlas of the Royal Mummies (Chicago: University of Chicago, 1980) 1980, that is outdated, there have been other studies: “If however, the queens of the New Kingdom period (early Eighteenth Dynaststy) are examined by x-ray cephalometry, many resemble modern Europeans or Americans, with maxillary, or upper jaw, prognathism. This condition may be either hereditary or environmental, i.e., the result of thumb sucking or other oral habits. Queen Ahmose Nefertiry is an excellent example of this type of occlusion” (“Mummies, Disease & Ancient Cultures” 1998 Cockburn, Reyman) Some say he is identified as "Nubian" because of the tightly coiled wig that he wore. "wig is the only one so far found made with black (1/0), heliotrichous (Negroid) hair.." But Egyptians procured hair from a variety of sources to make their wigs. No, they strictly used HUMAN HAIR refer to the quote. , and in almost every case can be identified as cynotrichous (Caucasian) rather than heliotrichous (Negroid) (Hrdy 1978; Titlbachova and Titlbach 1977; Brunton 1937; el-Tatrawi 1935).” (“Ancient Egyptian Materials and Technology Paul Nicholson, Ian Shaw 2000) All of the mummies EXCEPT Maiherpri have Caucasian hair. Dr Pruner-Bey even confirmed it in his study that Myra lied about. Simply because this particular wig is of a certain hair does not mean it is the hair of the original tomb dweller. It is a wig after all. Indeed, to flip around the equation, Egyptians themselves copied the wig styles of Nubians. “his own hair” refer to the quote. Yes it is a wig, but it is his OWN. Does it look like white peoples hair? Are you denying that it is negroid hair? If they copied Nubians, then certainly we should see negroid wigs just like Maiherpri's but we don’t. They may have copied them but they certainly didn’t scalp negroes and wear their hair. The mummies have Caucasian hair. "Nefertiti and her daughter seem to have set a trend for wearing the Nubian wig.. a coiffure first worn by Nubian mercenaries and clearly associated with the military." A detail of a wall scene in Theban tomb TT.55 shows the queen wearing the Nubian wig." (Fletcher 2002) That is a wall scene, so where is the original to confirm that Nefertiti in fact sported negroid hair? So both Egyptians and Nubians commonly wore wigs, and hair for wigs were procured from a wide variety of sources. Indeed hair was a major trade item in the city of Kahun, and bundles of hair from different sources are routinely found in ancient Egyptian tombs, rendering some claims about "Negroid" versus "Caucasoid" hair as to original owners suspect. And your credentials to question the experts are??? So is it because of a wig that Mahiperi is Nubian, when everybody- both Nubian and Egyptian wore wigs? No. He is the only one with his own negroid hair and negroid physical features as stated by the Egyptologists. Some say his facial features make him Nubian, but since Nubians are the closest people ethnically to the Egyptians, (Godde 2009) and the Egyptians are a variable group, how come his particular features get classified as "Nubian" and not Egyptian? "Nubians were often recruited or enslaved by Egyptians for work. Thus, Nubian burials were not uncommon in Egypt. " (Godde 2009 - your source) So just how do you think Egyptologist are able to determine the difference between Nubian and Egyptians in Egypt and Nubian and Egyptian in Nubia? Go back and read the quotes. Egyptologist determined him to be Nubian based on his own hair and physical features. What are you on SPIN CYCLE? And Godde does not state anything of the sort, he was able to determine a difference between negroids and Egyptians in that study. By the accounts you offer, Mahiperi was a quite important royal official. He was quite clearly accepted as an Egyptian. Would not his alleged "hair" then be part of the indigenous Egyptian mix? You are trying to force Maiherpre into being an Egyptian when the Egyptologists stated he was a Nubian. “and further substantiates the idea that Nubian workers were buried in separate cemeteries from Egyptians, regardless of Egyptian social status.” This comes from (Godde 2009) your source. Obviously Maiherpre was an exception, wouldn’t you agree? - since after all he is the ONLY negroid in KV with negroid hair and negroid physical features. A person's wig is no indication of what the actual person's hair was like! Egyptologist stated it was his own hair. Thankfully we have the royals in KV with wonderfully preserved hair that sets all of them apart from him. I even gave an example of Lady Rai whose actual hair and not a wig is also of the 'kinky' texture, and she is by far not the only one. You only think it looks “kinky” but that is how her matted braded hair fared over 3000 years with all the resins, etc. Until you can provide a study on her hair proving it is no doubt negroid, then I will just rely on what the Egyptologists have stated and not some Afrocentrics opinion.
Djehuti Member # 6698	posted quote: Originally posted by BraindeadBoy: Or nothing stating that he wasn't for that matter... LOL Such dumb reasoning but I expect nothing less from you! Your reply is nothing but the logical fallacy of 'burden of proof'. Nothing states that any of the other princes and kings buried in the Valley of Kings weren't Nubian either! quote: First of all....I would REALLY like to see you cough up some evidence stating that Maiherpri wasn't a Nubian, this is an Afrocentric claim, not one put forth by experts. Again burden of proof as there is NO evidence to suggest he was Nubian, nitwit!! I notice you didn't even bother to address what I wrote of the 'typical' Egyptian skin complexions which is still BLACK! quote: SEE QUOTES BELOW: Why is Maiherpri designated as Nubian by Egyptologists? It's because he looks NOTHING like any of the other mummies. Surely, if Egypt was LOADED WITH NEGROIDS we should see MORE THAN ONE with typically knappy nigger hair, but we dont! The above does not come from experts but from YOUR dumbass! Maiherpri didn't have hair but wore a WIG, and I already provided an example of a mummy with kinky hair in the form of Lady Rai! But I take it your attention span is just as low as your IQ. As for the other quotes, unlike YOU I can read and have excellent reading comprehension and memory! quote: Look at the names of the people ^ Ian Shaw, Zahi Hawass, etc. Those are Egyptologists all stating that Maiherpri was a NUBIAN. All you have offered is nonsense OPINION and a complete waste of time trying to force something that never was. No! All you're offering is the logical fallacy of 'appeal to authority'! This means that just because some people are experts or authorities on the subject does NOT mean they are always right! In this case, these experts give NO conclusive proof that Maiherpri was Nubian. All they give is their own speculations and faulty presumptions! Again, I say they are faulty because of ridiculous claims that he somehow looks 'different' from other Egyptians or he looks more black! I've alread demonstrated that his complexion is not uncommon among Egyptians especially in southern areas and definitely not his features!! Another problem is that the experts you quote are Egyptologists that is they are archaeologists specializing in ancient Egypt and NOT bio-anthropologists!! Since they have no authority at all in the field of bio-anthropology what good is their word?! quote: He is designated NUBIAN due to his heliotrichous hair read that last quote stating "in almost every case can be identified as cynotrichous (Caucasian) rather than heliotrichous (Negroid)" Could THAT be the reason why he is classified as NUBIAN? Why do all the others have Caucasian hair as the scientist state? Could it be due to his PHYSICAL FEATURES that are completely different from the others? Could it be because he is the ONLY ONE in the Book of the Dead to be colored jet black while ALL THE OTHERS are red? It was already explained countless times on this forum that black Africans vary in hair texture and not just one type! This was shown most recently here, and AGAIN, Maiherpri didn't have any hair of his own! He was bald and wore a wig, moron! quote: Here is the image you failed at attempting to upload: LOL I didn't fail at anything unlike YOU! quote: Oh that's interesting, considering he is the ONLY one painted jet black along with the knappy hair in the BOTD. Nope. I already showed a pic of Tiye who shares the same complexion. How about Mentuhotep II below? ^ I suppose he's 'Nubian' too right?? quote: "The color of the yewwood gave the face a bright orange hue", is the direct quote from the English version of Berlin's Egyptian Museum "Masterpieces" catalog (Wildung, Dietrich. Egyptian Art in Berlin: Masterpieces in the Bodemuseum and in Charlottenburg. Verlag Philipp von Zaber. p.22. 1996. ISBN 3-8053-1631-3) Freshly cut Yew Wood: Yew wood always darkens dramatically over time and after 3000 years the bust of Tiye is what you're left with. What, you think wood never rots or distorts/discolors? LMAO. The mummy however is that of a White Caucasian with pointy features, remember, they had in almost every case cynotrichous (Caucasian) rather than heliotrichous (Negroid). Maiherpri obviously deviates from the standard. LMAO The wooden bust of Tiye was PAINTED you moron!! Of course wood rots and changes over long periods of time, yet YOUR dumbass expects the hair and skin of mummies to be exactly the same as when they were alive! And what mummy are you speaking of? Are you talking about the Elder Lady who is presumed to be Tiye?? Again, the hair both texture and color are NOT the same as when she was alive as for her features here is what bioanthropologists studying the skull of the Elder Lady said: "The occipital bun is reminiscent of Mesolithic Nubians (see below). Sagittal plateau, rounded forehead with moderately projecting glabella; globular cranium with high vault. Protrusion of incisors, receding chin and steep mandible. Very vertical zygomatic arches and pronounced maxillary prognathism." X-ray Atlas of the Royal Mummies (Chicago: University of Chicago, 1980) quote: “…darker skin was the exception rather than the rule.” (“Faces Of Pharaohs Royal Mummies And Coffins From Ancient Thebes” Robert B Partridge) Again, an archaeologist NOT a bio-anthropologist. If dark skin was the exception then what do you call these below?! quote: South does not mean negroid. Nekhen - where some of these pharaohs came was far to the south and the vast majority of hair samples discovered at the site were "cynotrichous (Caucasian) in type as opposed to heliotrichous (Negroid), a feature which is standard throughout dynastic times." ...The most common hair color then, as now, was a very dark brown, almost black color, although natural auburn and even (rather surprisingly) blonde hair are also to be found.” (Joann Fletcher 1998) Even at Nabta Playa there is evidence of Caucasians... Moron! Again, black Africans vary in hair texture. And whether south or north Egypt is in AFRICA, fool! The cranial features as well as skeletal bodies at Nekhen and all other Egyptian areas show tropical African affinity!! By the way, you do realize that Nabta Playa is in NUBIA right??! LOL quote: "Around 8100 years ago sheep and goats occur for the first time at Nabta, almost certainly introduced from Southwest Asia, where domestic caprovids had been known for over 2000 years.” (“Nabta Playa and its role in Northeastern African Prehistory" Journal of Anthropological Archaeology) "Cranial analysis of slightly later populations nearby have shown the population to have been intermediate to ancient Eurasians and East Africans.” (Ancient Archaeology Magazine) Old outdated sources! It's been shown that animal domestication is indigenous to Africa! Cranial features tell you little especially considering that Eurasians vary including aboriginal groups that are very "negroid" cranio-facially, you nitwit! quote: Oh,... I thought it did considering how you Afrocentrics always rely on Herodotus words... What?.. that EGYPTIANS had woolly hair?? And it still holds true! quote: Thats because it wasnt negroid hair. Its funny that you Afrocentrics sometimes argue that the Egyptians did not look like a negroid people. It's bizarre! What's bizarre are your nonsensical arguments like the one you just made! I didn't understand it and don't want to! quote: They also have straight Caucasian hair due to all that Eurasian gene flow from the Neolithic. Ahh the wonders of modern transportation. Your argument is moot. Nope. YOUR argument is moot! Again there is no such thing as "caucasian hair" The straight hair in mummies have been ALTERED by embalming chemicals plus passage of time, but also what is this Eurasian geneflow from tne Neolithic that you speak of??! Last time I checked it was the other way around-- African geneflow into Southwest Asia and Europe during the Neolithic as seen by E1b1b!! quote: Nope. This is OPINION. I've got the facts quoted above to support it. Nope! YOU have the opinions! WE have the facts! quote: It is braided, held in place by embalming materials (resins) and after 3,000 years that is the outcome. That is not negroid hair, but since you are the one claiming it is, the onus is on you to prove it. Moron! Embalming chemicals break-down hair! If anything her hair is looser than it would have been in life!! quote: Or dont say such...Funny, I'm not the one claiming that Rai is a negroid or Nubian... Of course not, I was referring to Mathilda you nitwit! She made this presumption because the hair has a frizzier/kinkier texture! quote: Boring... Not boring, but LOGICAL. Something you know NOTHING about! quote: “The Nubian fan bearer, Maherpra, was also buried in the Royal Valley, but in contrast to the previous highly artificial styles he wore a unique coiffure of short tight spirals of his own heliotrichous (Negroid) hair set over his shaven head, creating the impression of a totally natural style.” (Daressy 1903, page 74-75. “The Ostragon” volume 13, number 2, 2002) And exactly where is the proof that this wig was made from HIS hair??!! Many Egyptians wore wigs-- all which was purchased or percured from somewhere else, moron!
Djehuti Member # 6698	posted quote: Originally posted by J. Philippe Rushton: What are your credentials to accuse the Egyptologists quotes as "rhetoric"? What have you contributed to the field of anthropology or Egyptology? Thats what I thought. In other words you are projecting your Afrocentric opinion because you do not like the facts. Again, despite your 'appeal to authority' fallacy, I didn't say all the quotes were rhetoric but what is rhetoric is the claim that Nubians were always some inferior servant class! By the way, I already explained why the words of Egyptologists alone don't mean much especially in absence of actual hard evidence and conclusive proof! quote: LOL, tell that to the Egyptologist. Stop flinging your opinion around expecting everyone to believe it hook, line and sinker - and cite some damn sources. What I said wasn't opinion but FACT! So-called Nubians have lived in ancient Egyptian society in all levels not just servants! IF Maiherpri was indeed Nubian then don't you think his tomb in the Valley of Kings refutes that, you buffoon?!! quote: You are injecting more OPINIONS. He was a NUBIAN Fan-Bearer with negroid hair and negroid physical features... What "opinions" you DUMMY?!! There is NOTHING conclusive to identify him as "Nubian" and yes he was a fan-bearer but fanning the king was not only duty!! Go back and read what I wrote about his title of 'Royal Fan-Bearer of the Right Hand Side'! Even the other souces you cited admitted he was an important political official, twit!! quote: Why is he the ONLY one like this buried in the VK? Where are all the "WOOLLY" haired negroes that you Afrocentrics claim Herodotus said in 450B.C.? Right here, dumbass! ^ This was just a few but there are many more, unless you want to claim all these people above as "Nubians"! Where are all YOUR full painted portraits of 'white' Egyptians?? quote: IF that were the case, Egypt should be LOADED with them, instead what we have from professional EGYPTOLOGISTS and ANTHROPOLOGISTS is: “…darker skin was the exception rather than the rule.” (“Faces Of Pharaohs Royal Mummies And Coffins From Ancient Thebes” Robert B Partridge) Moron! Partridge is an Egyptologist NOT a bio-anthropologist! quote: [color="red"]“…The hair employed for this purpose was specifically human hair, and in almost every case can be identified as cynotrichous (Caucasian) rather than heliotrichous (Negroid) It has been explained to you that Egyptians had a trade in hair from different sources to make wigs!! quote: But what do you have? Baseless accusations and opinions. You still havent cited one single source to support ANY of of your "claims" . Stop projecting! That is what YOU have!! quote: Hmm... dont you Afrocentrics claim that Yuya was a foreigner? He was buried there. I personally never made that claim and neither has anyone else who prove Egypt to be black! There is no evidence to suggest Yuya was foreign either! The ONLY ones in this forum who claim him to be foreign are Eurocentric nuts like YOU! quote: Which is due to all that Caucasian gene flow. Nabta Playa....Nekhen....etc. LMAO Please cite something for this idiotic claim of yours! I notice you contradict yourself again! First the Nubians were "negroid" as proof of Maiherpri now they are "caucasian" because of Nabta Playa!! quote: He doesnt look like other Egyptians based on all the evidence above. Apparently you dont realize there are numerous villages within Nubia. Egyptian texts speak of a land in Upper Nubia called "Yam." Besides troops from "Wawat, Irtjet, and Setju" (Lower Nubia), troops from Yam were hired for service in the Egyptian army. They used negroes and mixes to fight their battles so that they wouldn't have to. Hey idiot! Both MindoverMatter and I have proven he looked no different from other 18th dynasty royals! And apparently YOU don't realize that places like Yam, Wawat, Irtjet and Setjau were entire NATIONS in 'Nubia', NOT villages!! Hence the Egyptian texts you speak of say the Land of Yam and not 'village' or 'settlement', dummy! I won't even bother addressing that other jibberish! quote: 1980, that is outdated, there have been other studies: Moron! A study is only outdated if it is refuted or proven wrong!! A study could be decades old and still hold true if more recent studies support them which in this case it does!! quote: “If however, the queens of the New Kingdom period (early Eighteenth Dynaststy) are examined by x-ray cephalometry, many resemble modern Europeans or Americans, with maxillary, or upper jaw, prognathism. This condition may be either hereditary or environmental, i.e., the result of thumb sucking or other oral habits. Queen Ahmose Nefertiry is an excellent example of this type of occlusion” (“Mummies, Disease & Ancient Cultures” 1998 Cockburn, Reyman) Okay!! And how does this disprove Harris and Wente's findings that in the Egyptians' case it was HEREDITARY, meaning it is a genetic trait common to AFRICAN populations??! Are you saying all the Egyptian royals developed maxillary protrusion by all sucking their thumbs for long periods of time??! LOL quote: No, they strictly used HUMAN HAIR refer to the quote. , and in almost every case can be identified as cynotrichous (Caucasian) rather than heliotrichous (Negroid) (Hrdy 1978; Titlbachova and Titlbach 1977; Brunton 1937; el-Tatrawi 1935).” (“Ancient Egyptian Materials and Technology Paul Nicholson, Ian Shaw 2000) And again, where is the proof that the human hair of that particual wig was HIS, dummy?? quote: All of the mummies EXCEPT Maiherpri have Caucasian hair. Dr Pruner-Bey even confirmed it in his study that Myra lied about. Myra didn't lie about anything as was proven in that very thread you nitwit! Or don't you remember! quote: “his own hair” refer to the quote. Yes it is a wig, but it is his OWN. Does it look like white peoples hair? Are you denying that it is negroid hair? If they copied Nubians, then certainly we should see negroid wigs just like Maiherpri's but we don’t. They may have copied them but they certainly didn’t scalp negroes and wear their hair. The mummies have Caucasian hair. And again, how do they know it is his own hair?? Why would someone shave hair to make a wig out of it??! It makes no sense, all peoples in ancient Egypt bought wigs made from other sources and not their own hair! quote: That is a wall scene, so where is the original to confirm that Nefertiti in fact sported negroid hair? We don't know since it hasn't been confirmed if Nefertiti's mummy was even found though some think it to be Fletcher's mummy which was bald by the way. It doesn't matter because there is no such thing as "negroid" hair or "caucasoid" hair. African hair varies. quote: And your credentials to question the experts are??? No credentials needed, only a fully functioning brain which YOU don't have! Where is the evidence to suggest Maiherpri's wig was made from hair that grew on his own head and not someone elses?? quote: No. He is the only one with his own negroid hair and negroid physical features as stated by the Egyptologists. Features such as?? quote: "Nubians were often recruited or enslaved by Egyptians for work. Thus, Nubian burials were not uncommon in Egypt. " (Godde 2009 - your source) So just how do you think Egyptologist are able to determine the difference between Nubian and Egyptians in Egypt and Nubian and Egyptian in Nubia? Go back and read the quotes. Egyptologist determined him to be Nubian based on his own hair and physical features. What are you on SPIN CYCLE? And Godde does not state anything of the sort, he was able to determine a difference between negroids and Egyptians in that study. Yet Maiherpri's burial was not that of a slave or common laborer but a ROYAL in the Valley of the Kings, dummy! Why don't you go back and read again what is stated about the so-called differences between Egyptians and Nubians or better yet explain to us what these differences are! quote: You are trying to force Maiherpre into being an Egyptian when the Egyptologists stated he was a Nubian. “and further substantiates the idea that Nubian workers were buried in separate cemeteries from Egyptians, regardless of Egyptian social status.” This comes from (Godde 2009) your source. Obviously Maiherpre was an exception, wouldn’t you agree? - since after all he is the ONLY negroid in KV with negroid hair and negroid physical features. Yet this very Egyptologist, Godde offers no conclusive proof that he was Nubian only presumptions based on physical characeristics even though he is not a bio-anthropologist, plus the fact that Maiherpri was NOT buried in a seperate cemetary but the very SAME cemetary as other Egyptian royals!! You say he is the "exception" but how so?! What reason could the Egyptians have in burying a 'lowly' Nubian in a prestigious ROYAL cemetary??! quote: Egyptologist stated it was his own hair. Thankfully we have the royals in KV with wonderfully preserved hair that sets all of them apart from him. And again, their claim was based on what substance?? quote: You only think it looks “kinky” but that is how her matted braded hair fared over 3000 years with all the resins, etc. Until you can provide a study on her hair proving it is no doubt negroid, then I will just rely on what the Egyptologists have stated and not some Afrocentrics opinion. LOL Kinky was how your mistress Mathilda described it which is why she called her "Nubian" also!
Djehuti Member # 6698	posted ^ You can't escape your sealed fate, Rushta boy!
Ebony Allen Member # 12771	posted That fool doesn't even know how to quote. Reading his posts was very hard.
White Nord Member # 14093	posted Amazing how you dumb fucks post pictures of egyptians with negroid hair as proof of black egypt, but when pictures of the REAL egyptians are posted showing them with straight RED or BLOND hair the affects of chemical embalming are oh so apparent. You all are full of ****!!!
xyyman Member # 13597	posted oh brother! blond and red head egyptians. Now ya talking! They are coming out the wood-work.
Djehuti Member # 6698	posted ^ Indeed. These braindead idiots tend to be very protective of their own. Notice when Rushton is absent to answer, his friend the Nitwit fires back. quote: Originally posted by White Nitwit: Amazing how you dumb fucks post pictures of egyptians with negroid hair as proof of black egypt, but when pictures of the REAL egyptians are posted showing them with straight RED or BLOND hair the affects of chemical embalming are oh so apparent. You all are full of ***!!! Okay, so I post ancient artwork depicting how Egyptian hair looked like when they were alive, yet you think the hair of several millennia old mummies was how it originally looked like. So I take it these ancient Native Americans were red-heads when alive also.. Mummies of ancient Peruvians* Someone here is full of sh*t but it ain't us!
Djehuti Member # 6698	posted Getting back to the topic... As I said, the claim that Maiherpri was 'Nubian' is only speculation based on mere presumptions and stereotypes. Neither his complexion nor the texture of his wig is not uncommon for Egyptians especially those in southern Egypt. Maiherpri wasn't some mere servant but a high official and right hand man of the pharaoh himself, but more importantly he was an EGYPTIAN ROYAL which is why he was buried in the Valley of the Kings in the first place!! This blatently obvious fact has gone over heads of many, including Egyptologists. Maiherpri was a son of Pharaoh whether biologically or adopted. But let's say Maiherpri was of 'Nubian' ancestry, how does that make him any different from other Egyptian royals many of which are also of 'Nubian' descent?! Of course Rushton is too ignorant to know that even the very 18th dynasty itself is speculated by Egyptologists to have 'Nubian' ancestry! In their book X-raying the Pharaohs (1973), Dr. James Harris and Egyptologist Kent Weeks wrote of the patriarch and founding king of the 18th dynasty Sekenenra Tao: "His entire lower facial complex, in fact, is so different from other pharaohs that he could be fitted more easily into the series of Nubian and Old Kingdom Giza skulls than into that of later Egyptian kings. Various scholars in the past have proposed a Nubian--that is, non-Egyptian--origin for Seqenenra and his family, and his facial features suggest this might indeed be true. If it is, the history of the family that reputedly drove the Hyksos from Egypt, and the history of the Seventeenth Dynasty, stand in need of considerable re-examination" Another reason why Weeks and other Egyptologists believe this to be so is that the ancestral 17th dynasty had very close ties to the Nubian Medjay so intermarriage was very likely. Also in the book X-raying the Pharaohs, Egyptologist Donal Redford wrote of Hatshepsut: "Hatshepsut's attainment of the throne represents the final attempt in the Eighteenth Dynasty to establish a strong matrairchate in Egypt. He cites the unusual importance of earlier queens in this period --Tetisheri, Ahhotep I, Ahmose-Nefertari--as evidence of such a tendency, and here suggest that the influences for such a matriarchally determined order of succession might have come from Nubia. The possibility that the rulers of the Seventeenth Dynasty were themselves at least part Nubian" Of course, the 17th and 18th dynasty weren't the only ones. The 12th dynasty and even dynasties 1-3 could all be considered of 'Nubian' ancestry! But the Nubians were the Egyptians close relatives anyway. So really what difference does it make?? They were ALL BLACK!!
Djehuti Member # 6698	posted ^ So for a long while, anthropologists and other experts who've studied Egyptian crania noticed a difference between 'typical' Egyptian skulls and so-called Nubian skulls. But what exactly is this difference?? Apparently past experts point to things like greater prognathism and nasal index in Nubians than in Upper Egyptians but the same difference in traits can be said between Upper Egyptian skulls and Lower Egyptian skulls, with Upper Egyptians having greater prognathism and nasal index than Lower Egyptians. The fact of the matter is that overall similarities are greater than differences. This supports the overall theory that Nile Valley populations as a whole form a gradient of closely related groups all along the Nile from the Delta all the way down to Sub-Sahara. And now we have this recent study here which further corroborates this!
osirion Member # 7644	posted ^ Hair texture seems to be similar to that of the Beja Sudanese.
zarahan Member # 15718	posted quote: Originally posted by Djehuti: ^ So for a long while, anthropologists and other experts who've studied Egyptian crania noticed a difference between 'typical' Egyptian skulls and so-called Nubian skulls. But what exactly is this difference?? Apparently past experts point to things like greater prognathism and nasal index in Nubians than in Upper Egyptians but the same difference in traits can be said between Upper Egyptian skulls and Lower Egyptian skulls, with Upper Egyptians having greater prognathism and nasal index than Lower Egyptians. The fact of the matter is that overall similarities are greater than differences. This supports the overall theory that Nile Valley populations as a whole form a gradient of closely related groups all along the Nile from the Delta all the way down to Sub-Sahara. And now we have this recent study here which further corroborates this! ^^ Indeed. And since the Nubians are the closest ethnically to the Egyptians, those trying to split him off as some distant foreign Nubian are debunked. And if as Osiron says he falls within the range of Sudanics such as the beja, this too is within the native nile Valley types. Per Rushton: "No, they strictly used HUMAN HAIR refer to the quote. , and in almost every case can be identified as cynotrichous (Caucasian) rather than heliotrichous (Negroid) (Hrdy 1978; Titlbachova and Titlbach 1977; Brunton 1937; el-Tatrawi 1935).” (“Ancient Egyptian Materials and Technology Paul Nicholson, Ian Shaw 2000)" This is hardly earth-shattering, or proof of "white Egypt." WIGS AND BRAIDS TO COVER OR REPLACE ONE'S NATURAL HAIR are at issue. Hair for such wigs and braids came from all over. The same Shaw source which was written by J. Fletcher notes that hair was also a major item of trade, indeed ranked with gold and incense in cities such as KAHUN. quote: "It seems to have been a valid commodity, and is listed alongside incense and gold in the 'accounts list' from the town of Kahun.. It must have been bought and traded in the Dynastic period, as it later was in Roman times.." Elsewhere Fletcher 1995 surmises that some of the lighter hair types may have been influenced by the presence of Libyans and Greeks in ancient Egypt. Note- that's foreigners- Libyans and Greeks, not natives. And Greeks and Libyans would be relatively late-coming populations. Also note the sources referenced in Rushton;s quote. He criticizes Dje for using "old" sources, but then turns around and says nothing about 1978, 1935 and 1937 sources! But let's look at the most recent sources. Hrdy examined the Titchbachova Czech study, and notes that said study did not find the touted Caucasoid purity Rushton claims as fact, but a dreaded negroid mix instead, one with (quote) "with significant African admixture." Right off the bat this kills the pure Caucasian claim. The Czech report shows a "mixed" population up front, but this fact is concealed. Of course we know that African hair is so variable that we fundamentally do not need any "mix" concept to explain indigenous variability. late comers to Egypt would add to the native variability already in place. The Czech study also includes a heavy weight towards New Kingdom samples when there was more foreign involvement, but even them it found significant African admixture, killing the pure Caucasia model. Also note that the quote above is from writer Joanne fletcher in the Shaw book. She repeats this same chapter almost verbatim in her 2002 Writing "ANCIENT EGYPTIAN HAIR AND WIGS" (The Ostracon). But then something very interesting happens. Fletcher drops her 2000 claim, and no longer repeats the blurb about cyntrichous (Caucasian) hair. Why? because wigs have been found that are NOT of reputed Caucasian hair. Indeed Mahipera is supposedly wearing one of them, and Fletcher also mentions Nubian mercenaries with wigs as well. The presence of such "negro" wigs undercuts the notion of all Caucasian wigs. Perhaps this is why Fletcher does not mention her 2000 claim. Indeed in her 2002 writing, Fletcher takes a strong stand against "racial" analysis using hair. She states: "Rather more disturbing are the attempts to use hair to prove assumptions of race and gender, one of the most extreme examples involving the 1888 Gurob excavations of Sir W.M. Flinders Petrie. Having discovered a body of unspecified sex, he noted that the head was covered by “a copious wig of black hair, reaching down to the waist, but beneath this on the scalp was yellow or light brown hair”. He goes on to conclude that “the person was light-haired during life, and wore a wig of black, hiding the foreign token” … an interesting comment given Petrie’s attempts to find evidence to support his theories of Aegean settlers. Yet our analysis of the “black wig” has shown that it originally formed part of a dark blue woollen head cover, and far from disguising his or her fair hair, the individual in question had actually accentuated its lightness with a yellow vegetable colorant. It could be that the hair market at various times favored hair from the Levant or Maghreb for whatever reason, or that Asiatic war captives in the New Kingdom made convenient sources. But hair from other sources was also traded. In any event, the trade in hair renders suspect fantasies of white blondes or redheads flitting about the Nile Valley. There is no need for such "visitors" "settlers" or "colonists" when their hair could be readily purchased from local markets. Indeed the trade in hair continued into Roman times as Fletcher notes. Ironically, Rushton is quoting Fletcher, who disavows his racist methods of attempting to prove assumptions of race using hair. His own source repudiates him. As for Brunton 1937, LMAO, now that is REALLY recent reference- and it deals mostly with Egytian mysticism. El-Batarwi 1935 is no different, and indeed both men followed the stereotyped "race" analysis and models of the 1930s. This is another reason Fletcher drops her 2000 claim. Again ironic, El-Batrawi eventually shied away from the type of "racial" analysis being resurrected by rushton. quote: "".. .failure to distinguish clearly between the achievements of populations and their inherent biological characteristics has caused much confusion in anthro- pological writing. The literature dealing with the racial history of Egypt [and Nubia] provides an outstanding example of the danger of assessing biological relationships from cultural evidence." el-Batrawi quoted in: G. Armelagos Journal of Africatz History, XIV, 4 (1973), pp. 555-564 Printed in Great Britain RACIAL HISTORY -4ND BIO-CULTURAL ADAPTATION El-batrawi mentions "confusion". This precisely describes white attempts to resurrect long defunct 1930s race models. Once again..
J. Philippe Rushton Member # 17090	posted LOL the only joke here is you nigger. That is why you're the color of ****. You haven't proven anything other than that niggers are a low iq race that is hell bent on stealing other peoples history and cultures because you have none of your own. You rat cunning niggers seek non-existant “traces” of ancient African influence everywhere in the world except for your shitty squalor home of sub-Saharan Africa. Antiquity in the Congo is almost an utter blank, so that we cannot approach the Negro from the past. At the same time we cannot find ancient signs of him anywhere else. We know nothing about the Negroes…." Howells In the territory of the Negroes – a major stock of mankind, fully distinguished from Whites or Mongoloids – we find virtually no history at all." Howells “Samburu families live in a group o huts made of branches, mud and dung, surrounded by a fence made of thorn bushes.” “Kenya” 2006 Parkinson, Philips, Gourlay Your source is outdated.... “If however, the queens of the New Kingdom period (early Eighteenth Dynaststy) are examined by x-ray cephalometry, many resemble modern Europeans or Americans, with maxillary, or upper jaw, prognathism. This condition may be either hereditary or environmental, i.e., the result of thumb sucking or other oral habits. Queen Ahmose Nefertiry is an excellent example of this type of occlusion” (“Mummies, Disease & Ancient Cultures” 1998 Cockburn, Reyman)
MindoverMatter718 Member # 15400	posted quote: Originally posted by J. Philippe Rushton: “If however, the queens of the New Kingdom period (early Eighteenth Dynaststy) are examined by x-ray cephalometry, many resemble modern Europeans or Americans, with maxillary, or upper jaw, prognathism. This condition may be either hereditary or environmental, i.e., the result of thumb sucking or other oral habits. Queen Ahmose Nefertiry is an excellent example of this type of occlusion” (“Mummies, Disease & Ancient Cultures” 1998 Cockburn, Reyman) Lol @ prognathism being a European trait, just as silly as when numbskulls mention black skinned whites or red and blonde haired Ancient African Egyptians. Prognathism was one of the main facial characteristics that Europeans utilized as an indicator of a true "negroid", and Europeans were supposed to be orthogonal. Wanna be Rushton you're a dummy, go research what you post before actually posting, it will definitely save you the embarrassment. As already noted by me above..... Harris and Wente note the prevalence of dental prognathism among Nubians. Often this is combined with malocclusion. Similar incidence can be found in other African peoples. For example, one study found that a sample taken from the Kenya showed 61.3% of Maasai had diastema; 84% of Kikuyu had overbite and 99% had overjet; and 24% of Kalenjin had anterior open bite. (J. Hassanali, GP Pokhariyal, "Anterior tooth relations in Kenyan Africans, Archives of Oral Biology 38 [Apr 1993] 337-42). Although these dental traits can often be acquired through habits like thumb-sucking, as noted by Harris and Wente, the high frequency in the royal mummies indicates a genetic origin as found in Africans. Reference; "X-Ray Atlas of the Royal Mummies"
KING Member # 9422	posted MindoverMatter718 Good Catch. So now europeans have traits that was used to define the "True Negro". Just dumb posting by this racist. As anyone can see, his blind hatred for Africans made him post a study that proves that Ancient Egyptians were indeed Africans. prognathism is an African trait. Sad that this idiot racist was so blinded that he did not see his mistake. Peace
J. Philippe Rushton Member # 17090	posted Right off the bat this kills the pure Caucasian claim. The Czech report shows a "mixed" population up front, but this fact is concealed. Of course we know that African hair is so variable that we fundamentally do not need any "mix" concept to explain indigenous variability. late comers to Egypt would add to the native variability already in place. The Czech study also includes a heavy weight towards New Kingdom samples when there was more foreign involvement, but even them it found significant African admixture, killing the pure Caucasia model. Nope nigger, it totally kills and devastates the claim of any negroid hair in Egypt. Semna was NOT in Egypt, cunt, it was in Nubia... and it had Caucasian hair. So here we have an ancient Sudanese population with N.W. European variables in it; and to emphasize, Sudanese Nubia is further south than Egypt. Also note that the quote above is from writer Joanne fletcher in the Shaw book. She repeats this same chapter almost verbatim in her 2002 Writing "ANCIENT EGYPTIAN HAIR AND WIGS" (The Ostracon). But then something very interesting happens. Fletcher drops her 2000 claim, and no longer repeats the blurb about cyntrichous (Caucasian) hair. Just because someone doesn’t repeat themselves like a damn parrot, that doesn’t make what you claim true, nigger. Why? because wigs have been found that are NOT of reputed Caucasian hair. LOL only Maiherpri and he wasnt even Egyptian. The NATURAL hair on all the other mummies are straight/wavy and not knappy like Maiherpri. Why is that, nigger? Indeed Mahipera is supposedly wearing one of them, and Fletcher also mentions Nubian mercenaries with wigs as well. The presence of such "negro" wigs undercuts the notion of all Caucasian wigs. Perhaps this is why Fletcher does not mention her 2000 claim. Indeed in her 2002 writing, Fletcher takes a strong stand against "racial" analysis using hair. She states: LOL Nubians are NOT Egyptians, cunt. That is exactly why you bastards are hard pressed to find ANY mummy having natural nigger hair like Maiherpri, who coincidently is the only one painted jet black in the BOTD while all the others are red. "Rather more disturbing are the attempts to use hair to prove assumptions of race and gender, one of the most extreme examples involving the 1888 Gurob excavations of Sir W.M. Flinders Petrie. Having discovered a body of unspecified sex, he noted that the head was covered by “a copious wig of black hair, reaching down to the waist, but beneath this on the scalp was yellow or light brown hair”. He goes on to conclude that “the person was light-haired during life, and wore a wig of black, hiding the foreign token” … an interesting comment given Petrie’s attempts to find evidence to support his theories of Aegean settlers. Yet our analysis of the “black wig” has shown that it originally formed part of a dark blue woollen head cover, and far from disguising his or her fair hair, the individual in question had actually accentuated its lightness with a yellow vegetable colorant. Yep, black wig proves nothing. Whites can have black hair. She never claimed that this was negroid hair, did she nigger. She does state that the individual highlighted his natural hair to bring out the lightness of it. Whats disturbing is that racist Afrocentrics like Wysinger deceitfully use Dr. Preuner-Bey's hair study to "prove" something and the niggers that follow her deceptions are duped by it. The math proves they were not niggers. Wysinger lied. It could be that the hair market at various times favored hair from the Levant or Maghreb for whatever reason, or that Asiatic war captives in the New Kingdom made convenient sources. But hair from other sources was also traded. In any event, the trade in hair renders suspect fantasies of white blondes or redheads flitting about the Nile Valley. There is no need for such "visitors" "settlers" or "colonists" when their hair could be readily purchased from local markets. Indeed the trade in hair continued into Roman times as Fletcher notes. Thats right nigger, they didn't have to get anyones hair other than their own and their mummies, except Maiherpri the Nubian's, show Caucasian hair with various Caucasian colors, even in the oldest burials. Why is that, nigger? Ironically, Nefertiti is quoting Fletcher, who disavows his racist methods of attempting to prove assumptions of race using hair. His own source repudiates him. Oh thats funny, C&P nigger. Fletcher is the one who stated that it is Caucasian hair, not negroid hair and she isnt the only one. As for Brunton 1937, LMAO, now that is REALLY recent reference- and it deals mostly with Egytian mysticism. El-Batarwi 1935 is no different, and indeed both men followed the stereotyped "race" analysis and models of the 1930s. This is another reason Fletcher drops her 2000 claim. Again ironic, El-Batrawi eventually shied away from the type of "racial" analysis being resurrected by Nefertiti. quote: "".. .failure to distinguish clearly between the achievements of populations and their inherent biological characteristics has caused much confusion in anthro- pological writing. The literature dealing with the racial history of Egypt [and Nubia] provides an outstanding example of the danger of assessing biological relationships from cultural evidence." el-Batrawi quoted in: G. Armelagos Journal of Africatz History, XIV, 4 (1973), pp. 555-564 Printed in Great Britain RACIAL HISTORY -4ND BIO-CULTURAL ADAPTATION El-batrawi mentions "confusion". This precisely describes white attempts to resurrect long defunct 1930s race models. Can you niggers find any source that disproves El-batrawi? Every source on hair actually confirms all the earlier studies. I have debunked that racist Wysingers lies on hair but have yet to see any of you ugly cunts debunk my math. Its funny, you niggers use hair only if it is convenient to you as you miserably failed in this latest attempt, but when proven wrong, all you resort to is bitching and lying about it. Nubians arent Egyptians and Semna was in Nubia, stupid nigger. Even recent studies on Maiherpri state he is Nubian with nigger wig hair: “This wig is still tightly attached to the head of the “Nubian” warrior and high official Maiherpri. The wig is the only one so far found made with black (1/0), heliotrichous (Negroid) hair, it consists of hundreds of tight ringletted tresses.” (“Egyptian Museum Collections Around The World”page 1145 Mamdouh Mohamed Eldamaty, Zahi A. Hawass, Mai Trad 2002) “In contrast to such highly artificial examples, the Nubian fan-bearer Maiherpri had been buried (KV36) with a unique coiffure of short tight spirals of heliotrichous hair set over his shaven head, giving the impression of a totally natural style.” (Cairo CG2400; Daressy 1902, “Ancient Egyptian Materials and Technology Paul Nicholson, Ian Shaw 2000) “The physical features and hair of his properly mummified body make it certain that Maiherpri was of Nubian origin. He is the only known Nubian to be buried in this exclusive royal cemetery, and his position was of a valued servant…burial items included… a copy of the Book of the Dead in which he appears as the dark-skinned deceased.” (“Historical Dictionary Of Ancient And Medieval Nubia Richard Lobban 2004) “Thus the demonstrably negroid features of the high official Maiherpri did not prevent him from attaining the special privilege of a burial in the Valley of the Kings at about the time of Thutmose III (1479-1425 B.C.). In the same way, a man called Aper-el whose name indicates his Near Eastern roots, rose to the rank of vizier (the highest civil office below that of the king himself) in the late 18th Dynasty. (“The Oxford History Of Ancient Egypt” Ian Shaw 2003) The facts are against you, nigger. You cant refute it. You have no sources that disprove Maiherpris wig as being anything but negroid. You have no sources that disprove the natural hair on other mummies as being Caucasian. What are you to do niggers? Deny that Maiherpri the Nubian was a nigger? If they were niggers, then we should see LOADS of nigger wigs and natural hair on Egyptians, but we dont, instead what we see is a bunch of depressed pussy loosers bitching and moaning over non-existent nigger hair in ancient Egypt.
J. Philippe Rushton Member # 17090	posted All of these are completely out of context chopped up statements to make it look like niggers are Egyptians. The problem is, the sources claim that they were different due to gene flow, dumbass. If they were the same, there wouldn't be "gene flow". And look at how your sources contradict each other nigger, further it is "the known presence of Nubian mercenaries in Gebelein (Fischer, 1961), the MK sample may represent a Nubian rather than Egyptian population…" (Variation in Ancient Egyptian Stature and Body Proportions Sonia R. Zakrzewski 2003) So you have been exposed again as a liar. Nubians are NOT Egyptians. For example, here is what Godde states in full context that YOU have deceitfully taken out of context and lied about: “Excavations at Hierakonpolis [Nekhen] uncovered multiple cemeteries representing three social classes (Friedman 1999). Specifically, the condition and type of artifacts at HK43 suggested it was a Hierakonpolis working class cemetery (Friedman 1999). This Predynastic site is near other Hierakonpolis cemeteries believed to be comprised of Nubians from the C-Group and Pan Grave horizons (Friedman 2001). Nubians were often recruited or enslaved by Egyptians for work. Thus, Nubian burials were not uncommon in Egypt. Although the grave goods are different between the Nubian cemeteries and HK43, implying HK43 individuals may be Egyptian, the skeletons at HK43 have not been confirmed biologically as Egyptian or Nubian. In the current study, Egyptian and Nubian samples from areas outside of Hierakonpolis were utilized to confirm the probable Egyptian biological affiliation of HK43 individuals. The samples compared to HK43 (data contributed by Dr. Jerry Rose) include Predynastic Egyptians from Badari (data contributed by Dr. Tsunehiko Hanihara), and C-Group and Pan- Grave Nubians from Sayala (Strouhal and Jungwirth 1984). Cranial discrete traits were input into Mahalanobis D2 with a tetrachoric matrix to calculate biological distances. The distance matrix was input into principal coordinates analysis (PCO) and the first two principal coordinates were plotted to depict the relationships among the samples. The biological distances and scatterplot indicate that the HK43 individuals were, indeed, Egyptian. This biological analysis supports the differences in archaeological data between the Nubian cemeteries and HK43, and further substantiates the idea that Nubian workers were buried in separate cemeteries from Egyptians, regardless of Egyptian social status.”(“The working class at Hierakonpolis. Nubian or Egyptian?” 2009 Godde) Godde, K. (2009) The working class at Hierakonpolis. Nubian or Egyptian? American Journal of Physical Anthropology, 138 (S48), 201, 78th Annual Meeting of the AAPA. Per Nefertiti "No, they strictly used HUMAN HAIR refer to the quote. , and in almost every case can be identified as cynotrichous (Caucasian) rather than heliotrichous (Negroid) (Hrdy 1978; Titlbachova and Titlbach 1977; Brunton 1937; el-Tatrawi 1935).” (“Ancient Egyptian Materials and Technology Paul Nicholson, Ian Shaw 2000)" This is hardly earth-shattering, or proof of "white Egypt." WIGS AND BRAIDS TO COVER OR REPLACE ONE'S NATURAL HAIR are at issue. Hair for such wigs and braids came from all over. The same Shaw source which was written by J. Fletcher notes that hair was also a major item of trade, indeed ranked with gold and incense in cities such as KAHUN. quote: "It seems to have been a valid commodity, and is listed alongside incense and gold in the 'accounts list' from the town of Kahun.. It must have been bought and traded in the Dynastic period, as it later was in Roman times.." This says NOTHING about nigger hair, nigger. It still stands: "in almost every case can be identified as cynotrichous (Caucasian) rather than heliotrichous (Negroid)" Elsewhere Fletcher 1995 surmises that some of the lighter hair types may have been influenced by the presence of Libyans and Greeks in ancient Egypt. Note- that's foreigners- Libyans and Greeks, not natives. And Greeks and Libyans would be relatively late-coming populations. Libyans are not foreigners, nigger. All of the mummified remains of Eighteenth Dynasty royals have cynotrichous hair, which was long before any Greeks arrived, nigger. Also note the sources referenced in Nefertiti quote. He criticizes BS123 for using "old" sources, but then turns around and says nothing about 1978, 1935 and 1937 sources! BS/you is using OLD sources concerning DNA that have been debunked and crushed by new studies. The hair studies have not been disproven, and are in fact only confirmed by newer studies. You should pay better attention, nigger. But let's look at the most recent sources. Hrdy examined the Titchbachova Czech study, and notes that said study did not find the touted Caucasoid purity Nefertiti claims as fact, but a dreaded negroid mix instead, one with (quote) "with significant African admixture." Lets see what Hrdy said, nigger: “Pigmentation, even allowing for oxidation of melanin, showed a higher proportion of lighter samples than is currently associated with the Nubian area. Hair form analysis showed the medium diameter and scale count: the curling variables were intermediate between European and African samples. In general, low humidity and non-alkaline conditions are optimal for preservation of keratin; both conditions were met in the Semna samples…The average diameter of the Semna sample was close to both the N.W. European and East African samples, which are of medium thickness. Of the variables that best distinguish European and African samples, the total Semna sample was closer to the European on average curvature, crimp, and ratio of length. The ratio of curvature, however, was higher than either, indicating a degree of irregularity approached only by Melanesian samples. Obviously the sample has a greater degree of African admixture than the Egyptian hair sample described by Titlbachova and Tiltbach (’77) which had three of 14 samples showing “Negroid elements.” (“Analysis Of Hair Samples Of Mummies From Semna South (Sudanese Nubia)” Daniel B. Hrdy) Where is Semna, nigger? Its not in Egypt. Its below the second cataract in Nubia. And it shows that the hair samples are closer to EUROPEAN, but that the sample has a greater degree of "African" (doesnt say which "African") than the Egyptian hair! So we know Semna, despite being located in Nubia and not Egypt had a great degree of Caucasian hair but that sample had a greater degree of "African" than the Egyptian sample. So LOL @ your dreaded negroid mix, which is to be expected in Sudan. And only three of 14 samples of SEMNA SUDAN showed “Negroid elements.” And this is further south than Egypt which only further proves how Caucasian Egypt was.You're **** out of luck nigger.
Narmer Menes Member # 16122	posted quote: This was just a few but there are many more, unless you want to claim all these people above as "Nubians"! Where are all YOUR full painted portraits of 'white' Egyptians?? Great post Djehuti... HERE HERE!!!!
Djehuti Member # 6698	posted ^ Thankyou Narmer Menes, but it's nothing really. I just asked a simple question to the simpleton. If Egyptians were really white as he says where are the portraits of 'white' Egyptians? Why do all the portraits like the ones I present look black? Of course the only 'white' portraits he can find would be unpainted alabaster or limestone statues. LOL Getting back to the topic.. quote: Originally posted by J. Philippe Rushton: Nope nigger, it totally kills and devastates the claim of any negroid hair in Egypt. Semna was NOT in Egypt, cunt, it was in Nubia... and it had Caucasian hair. So here we have an ancient Sudanese population with N.W. European variables in it; and to emphasize, Sudanese Nubia is further south than Egypt. LMAO Your frustration is betrayed by your racial ad-hominem attacks! I think Zarahan knows where Semna is! His point though still stands-- that indigenous African hair varies in form! The index study of predynastic Egyptian hair by Czech anthropologist Eugen Strouhal in the 1970s clearly stated that despite the wavy or curly look: "The outline of the cross-sections of the hairs was flattened, with indices ranging from 35 to 65. These peculiarities also show the Negroid inference* among the Badarians (pre-dynastic Egyptians)." Of course modern genetics further proves the point that black Africans hair comes in curly or wavy forms as well. Which is why even Nubian samples in Semna show the same kind of hair. There was NO study saying anything about any "Northwest European" variables present in Nubia, Egypt, or anywhere in ancient Nile Valley Africa, you dumb liar! And again, you flip back to the argument of 'caucasian' Nubians even though your whole premise is that Maiherpri is Nubian because he's black! LOL* quote: Just because someone doesn’t repeat themselves like a damn parrot, that doesn’t make what you claim true, nigger. No, but for someone's claim to be true they have to consistent. Fletcher's mistake is that she was obviously ignorant about population hair form and diversity particularly among Africans. quote: LOL only Maiherpri and he wasnt even Egyptian. The NATURAL hair on all the other mummies are straight/wavy and not knappy like Maiherpri. Why is that, nigger? LOL indeed! Again YOUR claims without any substantial evidence. There is NOTHING to suggest Maiherpri wasn't Egyptian! He was an Egyptian royal hence his burial in the Egyptian Valley of the Kings you dimwit!! What Maiherpri wore was a WIG and not his own hair. Also, there are indeed mummies with so-called 'nappy' hair as well such Lady Rai among others. quote: LOL Nubians are NOT Egyptians, cunt. That is exactly why you bastards are hard pressed to find ANY mummy having natural nigger hair like Maiherpri, who coincidently is the only one painted jet black in the BOTD while all the others are red. Nubians are not a single people either, you brainless dick! Again, Maiherpri did not have any natural hair but was BALD! Maiherpri was painted in an ebony complexion that made him no different from Tiye as well as other Egyptian royals particularly from earlier dynasties like the 12th dynasty! Egyptians were not painted "red" by the way but a dark-brownish red or a mahogany color that is typical among BLACK Africans NOT white people, you dipstick! "Rather more disturbing are the attempts to use hair to prove assumptions of race and gender, one of the most extreme examples involving the 1888 Gurob excavations of Sir W.M. Flinders Petrie. Having discovered a body of unspecified sex, he noted that the head was covered by “a copious wig of black hair, reaching down to the waist, but beneath this on the scalp was yellow or light brown hair”. He goes on to conclude that “the person was light-haired during life, and wore a wig of black, hiding the foreign token” … an interesting comment given Petrie’s attempts to find evidence to support his theories of Aegean settlers. Yet our analysis of the “black wig” has shown that it originally formed part of a dark blue woollen head cover, and far from disguising his or her fair hair, the individual in question had actually accentuated its lightness with a yellow vegetable colorant." quote: Yep, black wig proves nothing. Whites can have black hair. She never claimed that this was negroid hair, did she nigger. She does state that the individual highlighted his natural hair to bring out the lightness of it. But you fail to realize that blacks can have curly or wavy hair as well, dumbass! And the Egyptians, particularly the elite were known to dye their hair in various colors like red or blue etc. quote: Whats disturbing is that racist Afrocentrics like Wysinger deceitfully use Dr. Preuner-Bey's hair study to "prove" something and the niggers that follow her deceptions are duped by it. The math proves they were not niggers. Wysinger lied. What's truly disturbing is your mental state! You call Afrocentrics "racist" when it is YOU and white like you who try to white-wash and claim an AFRICAN civilization for the sake of your LIE of white supremacy! You were already debunked in your thread about Myra's so-called lie! It was shown that the old hair index studies Myra shown are accurate and recent electronic microscopy further prove the African affinity of Egyptian hair! So the only liar is YOU. quote: Thats right nigger, they didn't have to get anyones hair other than their own and their mummies, except Maiherpri the Nubian's, show Caucasian hair with various Caucasian colors, even in the oldest burials. Why is that, nigger? And where is the evidence that Maiherpri's wig was made from his own hair, you dummy?! Everyone buys wigs made from the hairs of others. Why would Maiherpri be an exception to this and use a wig made from his own hair?! He might as well not wear a wig at all if that's the case! Also, it was explained to you that the so-called various colors were either dyes OR alterations from embalming chemicals as well as large passage of time in dried conditions. quote: Oh thats funny, C&P nigger. Fletcher is the one who stated that it is Caucasian hair, not negroid hair and she isnt the only one. Fletcher is not a bio-anthropologist but a specialist on ancient Egyptian fashion, and in particular hairstyles and wigs, wap! quote: Can you niggers find any source that disproves El-batrawi? Every source on hair actually confirms all the earlier studies. I have debunked that racist Wysingers lies on hair but have yet to see any of you ugly cunts debunk my math. Its funny, you niggers use hair only if it is convenient to you as you miserably failed in this latest attempt, but when proven wrong, all you resort to is bitching and lying about it. Nubians arent Egyptians and Semna was in Nubia, stupid nigger. My, my, all these slurs and name-calling... Could it be because you're angry that your so-called "math" is dog-sht! Remember your claims about Wysinger were DEBUNKED. quote: Even recent studies on Maiherpri state he is Nubian with nigger wig hair* LOL And just because someone (namely YOU) repeats himself like a retarded parrot does not make it true! We've gone over this already you dumb wap! There is NOTHING substatial to label Maiherpri as 'Nubian' especially when we have evidence of not only the 18th dynasty but other Egyptian dynasties having Nubian ancestry! It doesn't matter because the Egyptians and Nubians were closely related as BOTH were black Africans! Maiherpri was buried in the Valley of the Kings because he was Egyptian royalty!! ONLY Egyptian royals are buried in the Valley of the Kings! He was more than just a fanbearer but an important federal official second to the pharaoh himself! quote: The facts are against you, nigger. You cant refute it. You have no sources that disprove Maiherpris wig as being anything but negroid. You have no sources that disprove the natural hair on other mummies as being Caucasian. The facts are agains YOU, bitch! You are just too dumb to realize it! quote: What are you to do niggers? Deny that Maiherpri the Nubian was a nigger? If they were niggers, then we should see LOADS of nigger wigs and natural hair on Egyptians, but we dont, instead what we see is a bunch of depressed pussy loosers bitching and moaning over non-existent nigger hair in ancient Egypt. The only one in denial is YOU, dumb wap! Don't you realize that the ancient Egyptians were blacks and thus considered "niggers" by your brainless kind?! If you hate so-called "niggers" so much, then why are you trying to claim THEIR ancient civilizations in Africa?!! Answer: because racism is a mental disorder! quote: All of these are completely out of context chopped up statements to make it look like niggers are Egyptians. The problem is, the sources claim that they were different due to gene flow, dumbass. If they were the same, there wouldn't be "gene flow". And look at how your sources contradict each other nigger, further it is "the known presence of Nubian mercenaries in Gebelein (Fischer, 1961), the MK sample may represent a Nubian rather than Egyptian population…" (Variation in Ancient Egyptian Stature and Body Proportions Sonia R. Zakrzewski 2003) Moron! Populations don't have to be completely different and unrelated to have gene-flow as well! Thus there was geneflow from different populations of Europe who were all white the same way gene-flow occurs from different populations of Africa who were all black-- in this case 'Nubians' and Egyptians! quote: So you have been exposed again as a liar. Nubians are NOT Egyptians. No but they were all still BLACK AFRICANS! Your argument is like saying Thracians were not Greeks or Mongols were not Chinese, you pinhead! quote: This says NOTHING about nigger hair, nigger. It still stands: "in almost every case can be identified as cynotrichous (Caucasian) rather than heliotrichous (Negroid)" But it still stands that blacks have such hair as well, as proof of its presence in Semna (Nubia) your moron! quote: Libyans are not foreigners, nigger. All of the mummified remains of Eighteenth Dynasty royals have cynotrichous hair, which was long before any Greeks arrived, nigger. Libyans were not foreigners but 'Nubians' are??! LOL This is as much a joke as it is a lie! You also forget the evidence via Myra's hair index studies as well as electron microscopy that even the cynotrichous hair is of the African variety! quote: BS/you is using OLD sources concerning DNA that have been debunked and crushed by new studies. The hair studies have not been disproven, and are in fact only confirmed by newer studies. You should pay better attention, nigger. Nope!! The old sources WE use are still valid since they are supported by recent studies, unlike those of YOU! quote: Lets see what Hrdy said, nigger: “Pigmentation, even allowing for oxidation of melanin, showed a higher proportion of lighter samples than is currently associated with the Nubian area. Hair form analysis showed the medium diameter and scale count: the curling variables were intermediate between European and African samples. In general, low humidity and non-alkaline conditions are optimal for preservation of keratin; both conditions were met in the Semna samples…The average diameter of the Semna sample was close to both the N.W. European and East African samples, which are of medium thickness. Of the variables that best distinguish European and African samples, the total Semna sample was closer to the European on average curvature, crimp, and ratio of length. The ratio of curvature, however, was higher than either, indicating a degree of irregularity approached only by Melanesian samples. Obviously the sample has a greater degree of African admixture than the Egyptian hair sample described by Titlbachova and Tiltbach (’77) which had three of 14 samples showing “Negroid elements.” (“Analysis Of Hair Samples Of Mummies From Semna South (Sudanese Nubia)” Daniel B. Hrdy) Where is Semna, nigger? Its not in Egypt. Its below the second cataract in Nubia. And it shows that the hair samples are closer to EUROPEAN, but that the sample has a greater degree of "African" (doesnt say which "African") than the Egyptian hair! LMAO You obviously have poor reading comprehension! It said it was closer to European hair in terms of a some factors like length and crimp but on others it approaches Melanesians and other Africans i.e. "kinky"! Hrdy, suggests admixture, but modern genetics now shows that such hair is indigenous to Africa and has NOTHING to do with mixture with Europeans, you dumbass! quote: So we know Semna, despite being located in Nubia and not Egypt had a great degree of Caucasian hair but that sample had a greater degree of "African" than the Egyptian sample. So LOL @ your dreaded negroid mix, which is to be expected in Sudan. And only three of 14 samples of SEMNA SUDAN showed “Negroid elements.” And this is further south than Egypt which only further proves how Caucasian Egypt was.You're ** out of luck nigger. LOL** Of course you are going to have to suggest "caucasian" presence or admixture from Egypt all the way to Uganda, because such hair is part of indigenous African traits. Something we've been repeating often in this forum but to which idiots like yourself refuse to believe!
alTakruri Member # 10195	posted ^
osirion Member # 7644	posted agreed - Djehuti did an excellent job here.