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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Antalas: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Kimbles: The Egyptian culture was started in the South of Egypt near Northern Sudan. Nubians may have settled within the Egyptian area but it doesn't not change the fact that Egyptians that formed the predynastic culture would have been similar in appearance to the people that were native to that area. The Egyptians overwhelmingly depicted themselves with brownish- to copper colored skin. many Africans in Egypt/Sudan, as well as "Sub-saharan" Africans do show that skin color today. So yes, they would be classed as being "Black" in present day. [/QUOTE]Who claimed that the Ancient Egyptian civilization was not established by indigenous Egyptians? What I demonstrated is that those southern Egyptians differed significantly from the majority of Sub-Saharan Africans, making it misleading to label them as black. Additionally, I presented evidence that modern Egyptians share morphological similarities with these pre-dynastic/early dynastic Upper Egyptians, which you chose to overlook. It is important to note that the depiction of skin color in Egyptian art was conventional and not necessarily a realistic representation of all Egyptians. Furthermore, the "brownish-copper colored skin" you mentioned can be observed in people throughout Egypt even today : [IMG]https://i.imgur.com/zDERjHV.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]https://i.imgur.com/NJJN5pU.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]https://i.imgur.com/ouUEXrj.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]https://i.imgur.com/HrdnC5b.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]https://i.imgur.com/qap30V6.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]https://i.imgur.com/LxsUOGw.jpg[/IMG] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Kimbles: I know what you are doing by stating the Nubian population was "black" because of that cherry-picked image showing them with stereotypical "Negro" features. But what you don't understand is that there were darker skinned Nubians that shared similar features to Egyptians... Also, Nubians weren't a monolith, there were many different tribes under the term Nubian and they would NOT have all looked the same, so nice try.[/QUOTE]Could you kindly refrain from using straw man arguments and continuously assuming my statements? I am well aware of the diversity among the Nubians. Anthropological papers have provided evidence that lower Nubians were distinct from the majority of Sub-Saharan populations. Even today, the inhabitants of this region exhibit genetic, morphological, and cultural similarities to North Africans, Middle Easterners, and potentially Europeans, rather than being closely aligned with the majority of Sub-Saharan Africans. The "black" nubians I'm talking about would be from further south. This spectrum was already reported by ancient Greco-romans : [QUOTE] [b]Now the inhabitants of the marches are not yet fully black but are half-breeds in matter of color, for they are partly not so black as the Ethiopians, yet partly more so than the Egyptians[/b]. [/QUOTE]Philostratus, Life of Apollonius 6.1-5. How come this is exactly what we see today ? A coincidence according to afrocentrists. [QUOTE]Originally posted by Kimbles: I am not denying the fact that there would have been mixed Egyptians. Considering all of the immigration that was going on in the area. Maybe they were a group that was majority African with Near-Eastern admixture(which I think is the case here). However, if you take AFram for example, many have European admixture, but that does not completely change the phenotype that we have. Even some of the Pharaohs you can clearly see they have features that you would claim as being black. And their skin tone usually depicted with brownish to copper coloured skin, which again, is shown in "Sub-Saharan" populations. [/QUOTE]But your assertions are based on your own suppositions rather than being supported by academic research. I have mentioned this previously, but it's worth reiterating that many of you may not be acquainted with tanning. North Africans have the ability to tan well. I don't have the same skin tone when I'm in North Africa. That's the reason why pharaoh Ramses II might be portrayed with a tanned complexion or a conventional color in depictions, but it's essential to note that the analysis of his mummy indicates he was actually light-skinned : [QUOTE] Ramses II, as for him, would have had, according to the most recent investigations carried out on his mummy, [b]the milky skin[/b] and the ginger hair of the man of the North , which is not surprising since it is well known that his family was born in the Eastern Delta, […] [/QUOTE] https://www.jstor.org/stable/41229312 [IMG]https://i.imgur.com/LhNzSqS.jpg[/IMG] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Kimbles: Now you're trolling. Because North Africans are in fact African themselves. And you look stupid throwing around that term because it does not make sense when talking about African history. [/QUOTE]Merely being located in Africa does not necessarily imply that they are more closely related to other African populations than to those outside the continent. Therefore, knowing that they are African doesn't provide concrete knowledge if, in reality, they exhibit genetic, morphological, and cultural similarities that align them more closely with Eurasian populations. Afrocentrism/eurocentrism are basically two sides of the same coin and none should be tolerated. You're Afro-american therefore predominantly west african with a NW european input why do you care so much about the phenotype and population affinities of Ancient North Africans ? [/QB][/QUOTE]
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