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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Antalas: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Kimbles: Because I do not care about your misconstrued or cherry picked bullshit. You have an agenda to push. ive seen your past threads, its YOU that has no idea about the genetic diversity of Africa. Most of the diversity of Africa is within "sub-Saharan" Africa. Did you know that? You know... the negroes you dislike so much are much more diverse than any other population on this planet. From West Africans: Horn of Africa East Africa South Africa As you can see, many different phenotypes and cultures represented. And there is much more I cannot show due to limitations. All of these people would be considered "Black" in the US(even that "Caucasian" looking man above lol). [/QUOTE]Can you please refrain from using ad hominem attacks and instead focus on discussing the data I provided? Funny how you recognize the diversity within the sub-Saharan region, and yet you treat them like a monolith. Moreover, this diversity doesn't negate the fact that some individuals from the SSA are genetically closer to populations in the northern part of the continent, regardless of whether they would be classified as "black" in the US or not. [QUOTE]Originally posted by Kimbles: Isnt prognathism present mostly in "sub-Saharan" African skulls. The "true negro" classification is based on this. How can they cluster more with "Europeans" and "North Africans" when they lack this classification? European/"Caucasoid" type skulls typically do not show prognathism. And [b]LOL[/b] at you claiming North Africans have "Sub-Saharan" features which would make them "you know whats" in your eyes, but that's different because North Africans are diverse LMAO. You are a ki! [/QUOTE]No the negroid pattern isn't only defined by prognathism but by a whole set of other features. Here a non-exhaustive list : [IMG]https://i.imgur.com/mphl92R.png[/IMG] Furthermore the prognathism was only detected among some Badarian skulls which predate by millenias Ancient Egypt and this is where they plot : [IMG]https://i.imgur.com/1ab2u1j.jpg[/IMG] They appear to fall between the European and Sub-Saharan clusters. However, they clearly have a greater shift towards Sub-Saharan ancestry compared to the ancient Egyptians, who exhibited a higher Eurasian influence. And yes North Africans have some SSA features simply due to the fact that they have SSA admixture. Here an example : [QUOTE] North Africans exhibit a marked divergence in several traits from the Sundadonts and Sinodonts (e.g., UI1 winging, UI1 shoveling, UC distal accessory ridge, six-cusped LM1, etc.), as well as Australia/Tasmania and Melanesia samples (e.g., UM1 cusp 5, UM3 agenesis, LM1 deflecting wrinkle, four-cusped LM2). Howe [b]ver, they show a strong affinity to Europeans, and perhaps West Asians based on recent work[/b] by Lipschultz (1996), sharing many traits involving dental simplification and mass reduction. These traits (Table V) include comparable frequencies of four-cusped LM2 and M3 agenesis, as well as UM1 Carabelli's trait, two-rooted LC, and relatively low frequencies of UI1 shoveling, UC distal accessory ridge, UM1 cusp 5, premolar odontomes, six-cusped LM1, LM1 deflecting wrinkle, and LP1 Tome's root. North Africans also exhibit rocker jaw (see Table IV), a trait known to commonly occur in Europeans (Turner and Marko witz, 1990). [b]Any North African deviations away from a simple dental pattern are in the direction of complex Sub-Saharan traits[/b] (e.g., UI2 tuberculum dentale, Bushman Canine, two-rooted UP1, three-rooted UM2), [b]suggesting likely gene flow from these peoples. These findings agree with genetic-based results that link North Africans to Europeans and western Asians, yet record many Sub-Saharan influenced traits[/b] (e.g., Mourant 1954, 1983; Hiernaux 1975; Nurse et al., 1985; Sanchez-Mazas et ai, 1986; Excoffier et ai, 1987; Roy choudhury and Nei 1988). [/QUOTE] https://www.persee.fr/doc/bmsap_0037-8984_1998_num_10_3_2517 [QUOTE]Originally posted by Kimbles: I don't want to be you, nor do I want to be North African. When have I ever claimed to be such? I have my own history on the continent and in the United States. We are popping over here, everyone imitates us because we are the f*cking blueprint. Why would I want to be Moroccan? Don't you guys have rampant sex tourism/prostitution over there, to where European/French men go there to get piped down by AmaZighen men? Give it up, we know all about what goes on in Northern Africa, but oop, let me keep it on the DL for your sake. No one black in America wants to be yall, no shade, we could care less. But what you aren't going to do in this thread is spread disinformation about origins in North Africa, [b]there were black people there[/b] . Now like I said before, go smoke some shisha and sit yo ass down somewhere. [/QUOTE]You don't want to be us yet constantly stick your nose in our History and culture and try to insert yourself everywhere. Rather than harboring self-hatred, I encourage you to embrace and explore the rich history of your West African ancestors, rather than trying to modify Egypt and North Africa to fit your narrative. It feels like you might be using our history to find validation and acceptance. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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