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[QUOTE]Originally posted by yql718: [QB] Originally posted by Gynphobic: [b] I dare you to find me one statement in the 2003 Hanihara et. al. study which indicates that Egyptians cluster more with sub- Saharan Negroids than Europeans/Middle Easterners. As far as I'm concerned, even Hanihara et. al. (2003) admits that sub- Saharan African populations are biologically distinct from all other populations including Egyptians: Applying the neighbor-joining method to the MMD distances results in the dendrogram illustrated in Figure 3. The initial split, suggesting the greatest dissimilarity, is between Subsaharan Africans and the rest of the world. The Europeans, North Africans, and South Asians are then separated from the remaining groups. Oceania and the Southeast Asian groups form a separate branch that is separated from a large grouping of Central and East/Northeast Asian, Arctic, and New World series clusters. And by the way, Nubians aren't a Negroid population. [/b] Gyno-boy.. It was explained to your dull brain time and time again by other people, but in case you can't read dummy, let me break it down for you, cause I can see that on a good day you;re not only a half-wit but a dumb twit as well. Hanihara clusters Egyptians with Nubians and other Egyptians first, not your precious Aryans or Mediterraneans. right off the bat that sinks your "Mediterranean" theory fool. Furthermore Hanihara the dissimilarity between sub-Saharans and the rest of the world is due to the greater genetic diversity in Africa. As other non- Africans split off they developed LESS diversity. You dumb fack- it has nothing to do with your race fantasies. The greater genetic diversity of Africans means that they vary more than other populations, that is why narrow noses or loose hair is nothing special in Africa. It has all been built-in from day 1, and is not due to your fantasy Aryans or 'Mediterraneans'. Don't let your mind wander "Gyno" it's far too small to be let out on its own. Now back to the lesson fool. Hanihara also used Howell's database and grouped based based on series aggregation. But when the same database is broken out by [b]individual craniometric traits,[/b] Egyptians group more closely with African populations than with your precious Europeans. [IMG]http://africanamericanculturalcenterpalmcoast.org/historyafrican/lagoasantoplotsm.jpg[/IMG] [b]According to the 2005 study of Brace et. al., Somalis are a non-Negroid population.[/b] lol...I don't know what makes you so dumb "Gyno" boy but it really works. Brace 93 did not say Somalis were a "non-negroid" population. He said that they were not as related to the ancient Egyptians as the other groups he presented. You are lying and making things up people never said. In fact Brace put the Somalis as as sub-Saharan population. Your lies are not fooling anyone. [b]The Egyptians are a Mediterranean population of non-Negroid origin. [/b] lol... Don't try to run away from your claim. Let's see your 'Mediterranean' proof. Show us a scholarly research study saying that Egyptians are a Mediterranean population of non-Negroid origin. We are waiting, "Gyno" boy .... [b] According to a recent study by Arredi et. al. (2004), in Table A1 of that study entitled SNP Haplogroup Frequencies in the Five North African Population Samples and Other Published Samples, has determined that out of 26 sub-Saharan Negroid lineages, not a single one was present in either the Upper Egyptian or Lower Egyptian population samples, except for Hg A3b2* which was found in one individual from the Lower Egyptian sample.[/b] The fallacy of your lying approach is the term you use "sub-Saharan Negroid lineages" - a term Arredi does not use or define as you do. You basically arbitrarily define a narrow range of certain genes as "negroid" to sustain your 'mediterranean' fantasy. But once you are exposed, your stack of lies collapses. In fact Haplogroup E is most prevalent in Africa as shown by your own map, and the PN2 clade unites numerous African peoples. Your notion of "negroid genes" is plain and simple bullshiit. The bulk of what is in the Nile Valley is not your precious Mediterranean but E- which is found most in Africa. Once again, the closest link is with Africa not 'Mediterraneans". Arredi is not talking about any "Mediterraneans." You conveniently forget to quote some other things from Arredi which show no "Mediterranean" influx. In fact, Arredi mentions LOCAL development in Africa for several lineages, not origins from your mysterious "Mediterraneans." quote: [i] “Under the hypothesis of a Neolithic demic expansion from the Middle East, the likely origin of E3b in East Africa could indicate EITHER a LOCAL CONTRIBUTION to the North African Neolithic OR an earlier migration INTO the Fertile Crescent, preceding the expansion BACK into Africa.” “A clinal pattern of haplography variation like the one we observe can be expected from and EAST-TO-WEST population expansion, and the finding of LOWER E3b2 STR variation in the west than in central North Africa, accompanied by a substantial increase in frequency of this haplography, is most readily explained by expansion into virtually UNINHABITED terrain by populations experiencing increasing drift.” “In addition, genetic evidence shows that E3b2 is RARE in the Middle East (Semino et al. 2004), making the Arabs an unlikely source for this frequent North African lineage.” “These people COULD have carried, among others, the E3b and J lineages, AFTER which the M81 mutation arose WITHIN North Africa and expanded along with the Neolithic population INTO an environment containing FEW Humans.” [/i] Where is the scholarly proof of your "Mediterreans" Gyno-boy? We are still waiting... [b] Actually, according to those graphs Egyptians cluster the closest with Tasmanians. Does that mean that Egyptians are Tasmanians now? Not to mention the fact that none of the populations that Egyptians cluster the closest with, such as other North Africans or European Mediterraneans, are even mentioned or included on those graphs![/b] You dummy.. Are you always this stupid or are you making a special effort today? The ancient Egyptians cluster closest with other tropically-adapted peoples. This means dark-skinned peoples adapted to tropical environments, which include not not forest, but dry and semi-arid regions like the Sahara. Tasmanians are one such dark-skinned tropically adapted people, but there is no record of them moving into Egypt. However the record does show OTHER similar people geographically closer to the Egyptians. What other people are closest to the ancient Egyptians, Gyno-boy? Wait for it fool.. yes.. OTHER AFRICANS.. like Pygmies, San and South Africans. [b]and that's just cranial info. When LIMB PROPORTIONS are considered, Egyptians, or and modern, cluster closer to other tropically-derived African peoples like Black Americans than to your precious white 'mediterraneans".You can't escape the facts, no matter how much you dodge and duck Gyno-boy. [/b] [i]QUOTE: "The raw values in Table 6 suggest that Egyptians had the “super-Negroid” body plan described by Robins (1983).. This pattern is supported by Figure 7 (a plot of population mean femoral and tibial lengths; data from Ruff, 1994), which indicates that the Egyptians generally have tropical body plans. Of the Egyptian samples, only the Badarian and Early Dynastic period populations have shorter tibiae than predicted from femoral length. Despite these differences, all samples lie relatively clustered together as compared to the other populations." (Zakrzewski, S.R. (2003). "Variation in ancient Egyptian stature and body proportions". American Journal of Physical Anthropology 121 (3): 219-229.[/i] [IMG]http://africanamericanculturalcenterpalmcoast.org/historyafrican/raxterrufftrinkhauscombo.jpg[/IMG] [b]None of this proves that Strouhal said that >80% of Badarian hair is of Negroid origin. .. Can you find me a single passage in Strouhal's 1971 report in which he concludes that >80% of Badarian hair is Negroid? This is obviously a gross distortion on Keita's part, especially after Strouhal concluded that less than 6-8% of the Badarian crania were determined as being of Negroid origin. If 6-8% of the Badarian crania were determined as being of Negroid origin, then how can >80% of Badarian hair be of Negroid origin, as Keita falsely maintains, especially given the fact that the Badarians were more Europoid than Negroid? [/b] Gyno boy, read both Keita's quote and Strouhal again. As it says above- quote: [i]Note Keita says that "most of these were interpreted as being hybrids." He never claims Stouhal said they were "pure negro" this is something added on by madilda and you to create a bogus "talking point." And if Strouhal's says they were "mixed Negroid-Europid" origin, then that makes them non-white. Either way, they aren't white. In fact, Strouhal points out the long standing African elements not only physically but culturally as well- i.e. the rainmaker. Ironically, Strohal takes pains to point out how the Badarian are linked to African groups, such as in the Sudan. Keita in 2005 put this to the test, making a head to head comparison with whites, blacks and the Badari. Results showed the Badari link much more closely with Africans than white groups, confirming more scientifically, with a bigger sample, the close links noted by Strouhal. Both Strouhal and Keita agree that they had close links to Africans.[/i] [IMG]http://africanamericanculturalcenterpalmcoast.org/historyafrican/truenegromodel.jpg[/IMG] [b]Gyno-boy, you said that "The Egyptians are a Mediterranean population of non-Negroid origin." We await scholarly proof of your assertion.[/b] The Areddi study says nothing about your "Mediterraneans" and in fact, points to local diversity in several places. Keita and Strouhal agree. Indeed your claim is undermined by both cranial studies and limb proportion studies. But we await this "new" evidence. Let's see what you got. What's taking so long Gyno-boy? Surely you are not too pussy-whipped to directly back up your claim with scholarly proof. We are waiting Gyno-fool... [/QB][/QUOTE]
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