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Basic biological fact that me-no-narmer, can't comprehend nor refute...
Inuit hunter gatherers are totally dependent on an immense Vitamin D intake, since they live in colder climes, if they don't receive the amount of Vitamin D through their diet they become Vitamin D deficient.
Mother Nature provided vitamin D in other ways. Instead of making it through sun exposure, the Inuit got a healthy dose from traditional foods that happen to be rich in vitamin D: the skin of Arctic char; seal liver; the yolks of bird and fish eggs; and seal, walrus and whale blubber.
But as the Arctic has changed, so have eating habits. While seal and char (trout) are still staples in Nunavut's isolated communities, walrus and whale consumption have been in decline for 30 years.
The result is ****vitamin D deficiency***, which surfaces as ***rickets*** , a disease most Canadians might be surprised to hear still exists in Canada. Thirty-one new cases of rickets were discovered in the first five years of Nunavut's creation.
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More basic biological facts that me-no-narmer, can't comprehend nor refute...
The high melanin content in darker skin reduces the skin's ability to produce vitamin D from sunlight. In fact, experts note that people with darker skin may need 20 to 30 times as much exposure to sunlight as fair-skinned individuals to generate the same amount of vitamin D in northern latitudes.
THE COLOR IN BONES - WHY BLACK WOMEN ARE AT HIGHER RISK
A variety of factors can cause calcium and vitamin D deficiency in African-American women. *****The high melanin content in darker skin reduces the skin's ability to produce vitamin D from sunlight.**** ****In fact, experts note that people with darker skin may need 20 to 30 times as much exposure to sunlight as fair-skinned individuals to generate the same amount of vitamin D.****** Inadequate intake of vitamin D in diet is another factor. Studies confirm that African Americans consume the lowest amounts of vitamin D from food alone among different ethnicities. According to the National Institutes of Health (NIH), as many as 75 percent of African Americans are lactose intolerant, possibly further limiting the consumption of calcium and vitamin D fortified dairy products.
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quote:Originally posted by MindoverMatter718: [QB]Europeans are not. Europeans left their hunter gatherer lifestyle during the Neolithic(new stone age)
Gringo, you're flip flopping again. Don't you mean to say Asians or "Asian derived humans" (Bay Area Chinese-like) left their hunter gatherer lifestyle during the Neolithic etc etc etc? European "hybrid" only came into existence after the incoming Africans mated with these environmentally adapted Asian-European "humans".
quote:Originally posted by MindoverMatter718: More basic biological facts that me-no-narmer, can't comprehend nor refute...
The high melanin content in darker skin reduces the skin's ability to produce vitamin D from sunlight. In fact, experts note that people with darker skin may need 20 to 30 times as much exposure to sunlight as fair-skinned individuals to generate the same amount of vitamin D in northern latitudes.
THE COLOR IN BONES - WHY BLACK WOMEN ARE AT HIGHER RISK
A variety of factors can cause calcium and vitamin D deficiency in African-American women. *****The high melanin content in darker skin reduces the skin's ability to produce vitamin D from sunlight.**** ****In fact, experts note that people with darker skin may need 20 to 30 times as much exposure to sunlight as fair-skinned individuals to generate the same amount of vitamin D.****** Inadequate intake of vitamin D in diet is another factor. Studies confirm that African Americans consume the lowest amounts of vitamin D from food alone among different ethnicities. According to the National Institutes of Health (NIH), as many as 75 percent of African Americans are lactose intolerant, possibly further limiting the consumption of calcium and vitamin D fortified dairy products.
Alright, forgit it!
If you are unable to prove it, then you don't have a valid theory. Once again, Vitamin D has nothing to do with melanin loss. Until you finally realize this, you will always be stuck in the same invalid logic circle. You know, you could have blamed the Albinism in Europeans on the Mongrels. LLLLoser! (Notice the 4 capital L's. )
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When humans move into northern latitudes(colder climates) they need to supplement their Vitamin D intake with diet, or in recent times added supplemental vitamins from clinics.
In this process humans became lighter in order to be able to absorb UV into the skin under darker skies to synthesize and produce Vitamin D.
This is the correlation between northern latitudes(cold climes), Vitamin D, and lighter skin, which is biological fact; disprove it, and then we can talk.
Until then, again, remain in that corner you dunce.
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^ LOL, there you go again with a sad attempt to equate Vitamin D with Albinism. You were dropped on your head as an infant. Check out the Albinism sites AGIAN and see how many make mention of Vitamin D and severe melanin loss. No doubt you will attribute this absence to a Vitamin D deficiency. LOL, what an irreparable dunce! LMAO!!!
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quote:Originally posted by meninarmer: ^ LOL, there you go again with a sad attempt to equate Vitamin D with Albinism.
Wrong,
...since you're the only one equating albinism with anything, while ignoring the....
Basic biological fact:
When humans move into northern latitudes(colder climates) they need to supplement their Vitamin D intake with diet, or in recent times added supplemental vitamins from clinics.
In this process humans became lighter in order to be able to absorb UV into the skin under darker skies to synthesize and produce Vitamin D.
This is the correlation between northern latitudes(cold climes), Vitamin D, and lighter skin, which is biological fact; disprove it, and then we can talk.
Until then, again, remain in that corner you dunce.
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1. There is strong evidence of the harms of exposure to UV radiation from the sun and other sources, including skin cancer, melanoma and some cataracts. Based on expert consensus, sun protection is required when the UV index is 3 (moderate) or higher.
2. There is strong evidence of the benefits of adequate vitamin D status on musculoskeletal health and prevention of fractures in the elderly. There is also a growing body of evidence that vitamin D may have beneficial effects on some types of cancer, in particular colorectal cancer. Experts are concerned that vitamin D status may be too low in the general population to achieve these health benefits.
3. Vitamin D is obtained through skin exposure to UVB radiation, and also through diet (particularly fortified foods) and supplementation. To minimize the health risks associated with UVB radiation exposure while maximizing the potential benefits of optimum Vitamin D status, supplementation and small amounts of sun exposure are the preferred methods of obtaining vitamin D.
The known risks associated with unprotected UVB exposure must be weighed against its benefits as a source of vitamin D. For example, it is possible that just a few minutes a day of unprotected sun exposure will increase vitamin D status, but for some, may also increase the risk of skin damage. Factors such as age, diet, skin pigmentation, geographic location and intensity of the sun will affect the amount of sun exposure needed to produce adequate vitamin D. More research is needed in this area before any more specific recommendations can be made.
4. Groups at risk of not obtaining adequate amounts of vitamin D include:
· the elderly;
· exclusively breast-fed babies;
· individuals with dark skin pigmentation;
· individuals with limited skin exposure to the sun (e.g. housebound, or those who wear clothing covering most of the skin for cultural/religious reasons); and
· those who during the winter are living above 370 latitude (Canada and Northern US).
If you are concerned about adequate vitamin D levels, discuss supplementation with your health care practitioner. For breast-fed babies, vitamin D drops are available on their own (only in Canada), or as part of a multi-vitamin drop, and are recommended as a supplementation source by health authorities both in Canada and the USA. For adults, current recommendations are 200 IU/day up to age 50, 400 IU for 50-70 and 600IU over age 70. These recommendations are now considered too low by many experts for optimal health. The most appropriate supplementation level is likely to be above this but below the safe upper level of 2000 IU/day for adults. More research is needed to determine the optimal amount of vitamin D supplementation required to prevent health problems.
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^ In all that distraction you've posted, where is it stated that severe Vitamin D deficiency will lead to severe melanin loss equal to that of the typical European Albino?
Face it chump. INUITS exhibit the classic "normal" environmental adaption pattern, while Europeans exhibit no environmental adaption at all, but rather breeding out Albinism through long term admixture.
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quote:Originally posted by meninarmer: ^ In all that distraction you've posted, where is it stated that severe Vitamin D deficiency will lead to severe melanin loss equal to that of the typical European?
Where have you refuted these basic biological facts?
The simple fact that dark skin blocks out the sun, so in cold climates dark skin is a disadvantage, hence Vitamin D deficiency becomes a problem.
The simple fact that lighterskin is then evolved to allow UV into the skin under darker skies to produce Vitamin D through synthesis.
...are all facts that you can't refute.
Would you like another try?
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quote:Originally posted by meninarmer: INUITS exhibit the classic "normal" environmental adaption pattern
Well genius then you should have no problem explaining why the Inuit diet is totally dependent on an immense Vitamin D intake?
..and ever since the Inuit diet started changing, they've been developing deficiencies(rickets), if as you say they are so naturally adapted to their environments; if they were adapted naturally to their environments the Inuit wouldn't be so dependent on Vitamin D.
...when you can refute this, then we can talk, and someone might take you seriously;
Until then, you will remain in the dunce chair by the corner with akoben.
Mother Nature provided vitamin D in other ways. Instead of making it through sun exposure, the Inuit got a healthy dose from traditional foods that happen to be rich in vitamin D: the skin of Arctic char; seal liver; the yolks of bird and fish eggs; and seal, walrus and whale blubber.
But as the Arctic has changed, so have eating habits. While seal and char (trout) are still staples in Nunavut's isolated communities, walrus and whale consumption have been in decline for 30 years.
The result is ****vitamin D deficiency***, which surfaces as ***rickets*** , a disease most Canadians might be surprised to hear still exists in Canada. Thirty-one new cases of rickets were discovered in the first five years of Nunavut's creation.
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quote:Originally posted by meninarmer: ^ In all that distraction you've posted, where is it stated that severe Vitamin D deficiency will lead to severe melanin loss equal to that of the typical European?
Where have you refuted these basic biological facts?
The simple fact that dark skin blocks out the sun, so in cold climates dark skin is a disadvantage, hence Vitamin D deficiency becomes a problem.
The simple fact that lighterskin is then evolved to allow UV into the skin under darker skies to produce Vitamin D through synthesis.
...are all facts that you can't refute.
Would you like another try?
Your basic biological facts neglect to make the MISTAKE of tying Vitamin D to melanin production. They do connect Vitamin D deficiency to poor bone formation, but that's as far as it goes, chump.
There is no need to refute the data. It is not the data that is in contradiction. You are, and as usual, do not comprehend what you read.
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quote:Originally posted by meninarmer: INUITS exhibit the classic "normal" environmental adaption pattern
Well genius then you should have no problem explaining why the Inuit diet is totally dependent on an immense Vitamin D intake?
Are you implying that when the INUIT began the dangerous habit of fishing for whale, they we aware they needed whale meat and blubber for Vitamin D, or did they instead understand that one captured whale provided them with a plentiful, protein rich meat to keep them warm in the winter?
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quote:Originally posted by MindoverMatter718: Since you obviously don't have an answer to the questions asked.
Here's a simple one;
Tell us how humans acquire Vitamin D?
Wow, if you don't understand this at this point then, what's the use.
Instead, the question you should be asking yourself is, what does Vitamin D have to do with Albinism.
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quote:Originally posted by meninarmer: Are you implying that when the INUIT began the dangerous habit of fishing for whale, they knew they needed whale meat and blubber for Vitamin D, or did they instead understand that a whale plenty plentiful, protein rich meat to keep them warm in the winter?
When humans moved north they were still hunter gatherers this automatically provided them with an immense amount of Vitamin D. Since they couldn't get enough from the sun (cloudy skies) they also started to turn lighter in order to absorb UV under darker skies to produce Vitamin D through synthesis;
If humans back then knew exactly that is was Vitamin D that helped them retain Melanin; not too sure they had science labs back then.
But this what professionals in the fields have to say about the situation.....
quote:Until the 1980s, researchers could only estimate how much ultraviolet radiation reaches Earth's surface. But in 1978, NASA launched the Total Ozone Mapping Spectrometer. Three years ago, Jablonski and Chaplin took the spectrometer's global ultraviolet measurements and compared them with published data on skin color in indigenous populations from more than 50 countries. To their delight, there was an unmistakable correlation: The weaker the ultraviolet light, the fairer the skin. Jablonski went on to show that people living above 50 degrees latitude have the highest risk of vitamin D deficiency. "This was one of the last barriers in the history of human settlement," Jablonski says. "Only after humans learned fishing, and therefore had access to food rich in vitamin D, could they settle these regions."
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Vitamin D deficiency can be corrected by diet. Albinism is an autosomal recessive trait.
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quote:Originally posted by MindoverMatter718: Since you obviously don't have an answer to the questions asked.
Here's a simple one;
Tell us how humans acquire Vitamin D?
Wow, if you don't understand this at this point then, what's the use.
A simple question required a simple answer, obviously you don't know the answer.
Well, it's acquired two ways, naturally through sunlight and through diet.
Darkskin blocks out sunlight which is why dark skinned humans are at risk of Vitamin D deficiencies in northern latitudes.
...hence the only way humans can survive is if they turn lighter in order to acquire the sunlight for Vitamin D synthesis under darker skies. Which darkskin doesn't allow one to do, but lighterskin does.
quote:Originally posted by meninarmer: Keep repeating;
Vitamin D deficiency can be corrected by diet. Albinism is an autosomal recessive trait.
Keep repeating to yourself that you can't refute the biological fact that humans need to be lighter in northern latitudes. Simple fact.
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quote:Originally posted by MindoverMatter718: Keep repeating to yourself that you can't refute the biological fact that humans need to be lighter in northern latitudes. Simple fact. [/QB]
Wrong again son INUITS aren't any lighter then they were in Siberia.
Repeat, Bone disease is caused by Vitamin D deficiency Albinism is an Autosomal Recessive genetic trait.
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For centuries, Inuit living in Canada's Arctic spent months without sunlight, and lifetimes wearing thick, fur clothing that blocked the sunlight from their dark skin.
Mother Nature provided vitamin D in other ways. Instead of making it through sun exposure, the Inuit got a healthy dose from traditional foods that happen to be rich in vitamin D: the skin of Arctic char; seal liver; the yolks of bird and fish eggs; and seal, walrus and whale blubber.
But as the Arctic has changed, so have eating habits. While seal and char (trout) are still staples in Nunavut's isolated communities, walrus and whale consumption have been in decline for 30 years.
The result is ****vitamin D deficiency***, which surfaces as ***rickets*** , a disease most Canadians might be surprised to hear still exists in Canada. Thirty-one new cases of rickets were discovered in the first five years of Nunavut's creation.
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quote:Originally posted by MindoverMatter718: ^Refute the basic biological fact that Inuits only retain melanin due to their Vitamin D rich diets; can you?
Where's your evidence to refute the following; Where is it?
For centuries, Inuit living in Canada's Arctic spent months without sunlight, and lifetimes wearing thick, fur clothing that blocked the sunlight from their dark skin.
Mother Nature provided vitamin D in other ways. Instead of making it through sun exposure, the Inuit got a healthy dose from traditional foods that happen to be rich in vitamin D: the skin of Arctic char; seal liver; the yolks of bird and fish eggs; and seal, walrus and whale blubber.
But as the Arctic has changed, so have eating habits. While seal and char (trout) are still staples in Nunavut's isolated communities, walrus and whale consumption have been in decline for 30 years.
The result is ****vitamin D deficiency***, which surfaces as ***rickets*** , a disease most Canadians might be surprised to hear still exists in Canada. Thirty-one new cases of rickets were discovered in the first five years of Nunavut's creation.
Repeat,
I will resist presenting, that which I do not understand...especially, when I can't fake it.
Early European Neolithic (ca. 6000-5300 b.c.)
The economy may be accurately described as {agropastoral} [farming = agro-; stock-rearing and herding = pastoral], with no significant emphasis on hunting, except for the copious evidence for fishing (As expected, Vitamin D rich seafood to match the INUIT) in the islands.
Wheat (but not breadwheat), barley (naked, not hulled), and lentils were the main crops, but peas and vetch were also known. Sheep and goat (therefore, GOAT Milk) are the most common animals, but domesticated pigs and cattle were also present. Of the bones, ca. 75% are sheep/goat, 20% pig. Hunting and fishing are also well attested by the surviving animal bones. Fish included COD (Vitamin D rich), mullet, and other fresh water seafood and shellfish (Mussel).
ca. 4300-3700 b.c.)
Plant remains consist of emmer wheat and two-row barley. Of the animal bones, sheep/goat accounted for 83.5% (an ~10% increase in ratio), pig for 12.1%, and cattle for 3.5%. Large numbers of fish bones were found, of which 97% of the identifiable pieces belonged to tuna (Vitamin D rich), often of very large size. Interestingly, however, no fish-hooks were identified among the artifacts of bone or stone and nets are unlikely to have been used to catch fish of this size. In all probability, the characteristic tanged arrowheads were used to spear such fish out of the water. Large numbers of shellfish were also collected.
Therefore, MindDon'tMatter, as is clear, early Europeans had access to very similar foodstuff as INUITS, including Vitamin D rich COD, Tuna, Goat's milk, Goat & Cow meat, YET, they loss all their melanin while the heavy fur coat wearing, long night living INUIT did not. Why? Perhaps, because they never had any to begin with.
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*Yawn*...The diet of Inuit and Europeans are not the same.
Inuit are hunter gatherers, Europeans are not. Europeans left their hunter gatherer lifestyle during the Neolithic(new stone age) revolution spreading into Europe from the so called middle east, you dunce. Inuit have never left their hunter gatherer lifestyle.
Now, stay in that corner.
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quote:Originally posted by MindoverMatter718: ^Refute the basic biological fact that Inuits only retain melanin due to their Vitamin D rich diets; can you?
Where's your evidence to refute the following; Where is it?
For centuries, Inuit living in Canada's Arctic spent months without sunlight, and lifetimes wearing thick, fur clothing that blocked the sunlight from their dark skin.
Mother Nature provided vitamin D in other ways. Instead of making it through sun exposure, the Inuit got a healthy dose from traditional foods that happen to be rich in vitamin D: the skin of Arctic char; seal liver; the yolks of bird and fish eggs; and seal, walrus and whale blubber.
But as the Arctic has changed, so have eating habits. While seal and char (trout) are still staples in Nunavut's isolated communities, walrus and whale consumption have been in decline for 30 years.
The result is ****vitamin D deficiency***, which surfaces as ***rickets*** , a disease most Canadians might be surprised to hear still exists in Canada. Thirty-one new cases of rickets were discovered in the first five years of Nunavut's creation.
Repeat,
I will resist presenting, that which I do not understand...especially, when I can't fake it.
Of course you don't understand, now stay quiet until you do, dunce.
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quote:Originally posted by MindoverMatter718: The diet of Inuit and Europeans are not the same.
Inuit are hunter gatherers, Europeans are not. Europeans left their hunter gatherer lifestyle during the Neolithic(new stone age) revolution spreading into Europe from the so called middle east, you dunce.
Now, stay in that corner
So now, your theory resorts to, Hunter/gathers are more likely to retain melanin compared to an agropastoral base with the same access to the same levels of Vitamin D supplements?
LOL, you are REALLY grabbing at air, but you lose, as usual! You're like a maggot feasting on a dog turd. You don't know what it is, but it tastes damn good. LMAO!!!
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quote:Originally posted by MindoverMatter718: The diet of Inuit and Europeans are not the same.
Inuit are hunter gatherers, Europeans are not. Europeans left their hunter gatherer lifestyle during the Neolithic(new stone age) revolution spreading into Europe from the so called middle east, you dunce.
Now, stay in that corner
So now, your theory resorts to, Hunter/gathers are more likely to retain melanin compared to an agricultural base with the same access to the same levels of Vitamin D supplements?
Hunter/gatherers living in colder climate(northern latitudes) like the Inuit, are definitely more likely to be darker than individuals in northern latitudes who aren't hunter gatherers and don't consume an immense Vitamin D intake from diet(Europeans, East Asian).
Basic facts, refute it; or not?
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As shown, Europeans had free access to Goat's meat and milk as I stated very earlier in the conversation. In addition to this, they ate Cod and Tuna. These items supplied Europeans with adequate Vitamin D to meet their requirement. Yet, they loss ALL their melanin. This is NOT possible under NORMAL circumstance, UNLESS, they were Albino to begin with.
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quote:Originally posted by meninarmer: As shown, Europeans had free access to Goat's meat and milk as I stated very earlier in the conversation.
Lmao, there you go again with the Goats milk.
Anyway, animals were NOT domesticated in Europe until pastoralism was spread from Africa and the so called middle east. Milk was in fact a survival advantage for Europeans when they left their hunter gatherer lifestyle.
quote:Dr Mark Thomas, UCL Biology, said: "The ability to drink milk is the most advantageous trait that's evolved in Europeans in the recent past. Without the enzyme lactase, drinking milk in adulthood causes bloating and diarrhoea. Although the benefits of milk tolerance are not fully understood yet, they probably include: the continuous supply of milk compared to the boom and bust of seasonal crops; its nourishing qualities; and the fact that it's uncontaminated by parasites, unlike stream water, making it a safer drink. All in all, the ability to drink milk gave some early Europeans a big survival advantage."
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quote:Originally posted by MindoverMatter718: Europeans...I mean Asians...no I mean Chinese-looking environmentally adapted humans left their hunter gatherer lifestyle....listen to me....for what? Arresting me for what?...BUT I WON ANOTHER DEBATE...I'm not allowed to stand up for myself? I thought this was America! Huh? Isn't this America? I'm sorry, I thought this was America.
quote:Originally posted by meninarmer: In addition to this, they ate Cod and Tuna. These items supplied Europeans with adequate Vitamin D to meet their requirement.
Lmao cod and tuna? Do you think they ate pounds and pounds of this a day? This would be the only way this would help you.
The Inuit consume the skin of Arctic char; seal liver; the yolks of bird and fish eggs; and seal, walrus and whale blubber, daily. It's required daily.
The Inuit still aren't that dark I might add, so how dark do you expect Europeans to be; surviving on Cod and Tuna? Lol
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It's not a matter of what food they had access to, instead it's a matter of what they were eating, and what they weren't.
Europeans adopted farming and were no longer hunter gatherers hence they were not provided anymore with Vitamin D that a hunter gatherers diet is adequately equipped with.
Inuit are hunter gatherers, Europeans are not. Europeans left their hunter gatherer lifestyle during the Neolithic(new stone age) revolution spreading into Europe from the so called middle east, you dunce. Inuit have never left their hunter gatherer lifestyle.
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quote:Originally posted by meninarmer: In addition to this, they ate Cod and Tuna. These items supplied Europeans with adequate Vitamin D to meet their requirement.
Lmao cod and tuna? Do you think they ate pounds and pounds of this a day? This would be the only way this would help you.
The Inuit consume the skin of Arctic char; seal liver; the yolks of bird and fish eggs; and seal, walrus and whale blubber, daily. It's required daily.
The Inuit still aren't that dark I might add, so how dark do you expect Europeans to be; surviving on Cod and Tuna? Lol
LOL, you have not proven early Europeans were afflicted with Vitamin D deficiency. That's just a minor point you have been unsuccessfully attempting to promote to help your very weak and lame case.
In THIS description, it clearly shows Europeans had an {agropastoral} [farming = agro-; stock-rearing and herding = pastoral], with no significant emphasis on hunting, except for the copious evidence for fishing economy based on agriculture, domesticated animals, mostly Goats, and hunting/fishing. Yes, between Fish, goat meat, and goats milk, Europeans would easily been able to meet their required daily Vitamin D intake. As I recall, Cod is one of the most Vitamin D rich foodstuffs available, followed by Tuna, and Europeans had access to them.
According to this supplement chart, Europeans would have hardly had to eat POUNDS of Tuna or Cod to get their required Vitamin D. More like Ounces. As you can see, and hopefully comprehend, Cod is number 1 on the list for highest content where Tuna is number 4. You remember this chart. I posted it months ago. FYI, I tablespoon of Cod liver oil equals one daily requirement of Vitamin D, and Cod is a VERY oily fish. Likewise, 3 Ozs of Tuna plus 1 glass of Goat's milk would exceed a daily recommended dose by approx. 70 units.
Food Selected Food Sources of Vitamin D IUs per serving* Percent DV** Cod liver oil, 1 tablespoon 1,360 340 Salmon, cooked, 3.5 ounces 360 90 Mackerel, cooked, 3.5 ounces 345 90 Tuna fish, canned in oil, 3 ounces 200 50 Sardines, canned in oil, drained, 1.75 ounces 250 70 Milk, nonfat, reduced fat, and whole, vitamin D-fortified, 1 cup 98 25 Margarine, fortified, 1 tablespoon 60 15
Stop waffling and face the music left foot.
ca. 4300-3700 b.c.)
Plant remains consist of emmer wheat and two-row barley. Of the animal bones, sheep/goat accounted for 83.5% (an ~10% increase in ratio), pig for 12.1%, and cattle for 3.5%. Large numbers of fish bones were found, of which 97% of the identifiable pieces belonged to tuna (Vitamin D rich), often of very large size. Interestingly, however, no fish-hooks were identified among the artifacts of bone or stone and nets are unlikely to have been used to catch fish of this size. In all probability, the characteristic tanged arrowheads were used to spear such fish out of the water. Large numbers of shellfish were also collected.
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A Short History of Medicine By Erwin Heinz Ackerknecht
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NEOLITHIC by Susan McCarter
..Neolithic populations from Europe to Sri Lanka lost an average of two inches in height, and in Japan, there was a two-to-five-year drop in the average age at death for men and a three-year drop for women....
...The skeletons of early agriculturalists also exhibit the marks of common nutritional deficiencies like scurvy (vitamin C deficiency) ...and rickets (vitamin D deficiency) which stops growing bone from hardening. But the most common problem seems to have been anemia...When people are severely anemic the skull vault and eye sockets because rough, thick and spongy, a condition seen in 60 percent of the eye sockets and 50 percent of the skull vaults a Alepotrypa Cave in Greece and in 42 percent of the skulls in Zawi Chemi Shanidar in Iran...
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Dr. Pritchard's scan of the human genome differs from the previous two because he has developed a statistical test to identify just genes that have started to spread through populations in recent millennia and have not yet become universal, as many advantageous genes eventually do. The selected genes he has detected fall into a handful of functional categories, as might be expected if people were adapting to specific changes in their environment. Some are genes involved in digesting particular foods like the lactose-digesting gene common in Europeans. Some are genes that mediate taste and smell as well as detoxify plant poisons, perhaps signaling a shift in diet from wild foods to domesticated plants and animals. Dr. Pritchard estimates that the average point at which the selected genes started to become more common under the pressure of natural selection is 10,800 years ago in the African population and 6,600 years ago in the Asian and European populations.Posts: 6572 | From: N.Y.C....Capital of the World | Registered: Jun 2008
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..Neolithic populations from Europe to Sri Lanka lost an average of two inches in height, and in Japan, there was a two-to-five-year drop in the average age at death for men and a three-year drop for women....
...The skeletons of early agriculturalists also exhibit the marks of common nutritional deficiencies like scurvy (vitamin C deficiency) ...and rickets (vitamin D deficiency) which stops growing bone from hardening. But the most common problem seems to have been anemia...When people are severely anemic the skull vault and eye sockets because rough, thick and spongy, a condition seen in 60 percent of the eye sockets and 50 percent of the skull vaults a Alepotrypa Cave in Greece and in 42 percent of the skulls in Zawi Chemi Shanidar in Iran...
Interestingly, as I pointed out months ago in the Albinism symptoms list which included small physical statue and small bones, all of these traits can be credited to ALBINISM. Thank you for posting supporting documentation.
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quote:Originally posted by meninarmer: Interestingly, as I pointed out months ago in the Albinism symptoms list which included small physical statue and small bones, all of these traits can be credited to ALBINISM. Thank you for posting supporting documentation.
I take it you're talking about this excerpt; so now people from Europe to Sri Lanka and Japan are albinos too?
quote:..Neolithic populations from Europe to Sri Lanka lost an average of two inches in height, and in Japan, there was a two-to-five-year drop in the average age at death for men and a three-year drop for women....
You make the most dumbest correlations.
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To make sense of new findings about vitamin D, it pays to first review what D actually is and how it is used in the human body. People can obtain the molecule known as vitamin D from limited food sources, such as fatty fish and fish oil, and, today, from dietary supplements. But we can also make it ourselves, through a chemical reaction that happens in the skin when it is exposed to ultraviolet B (UVB) light. Strictly speaking, then, vitamin D is not a vitamin at all, because with moderate UVB exposure, we do not need to get it from food. In temperate regions of the world, however, UVB light is insufficient to induce adequate vitamin D synthesis in the skin for up to six months of the year, and then dietary sources of vitamin D become essential.
The term “vitamin D” generally refers collectively to the two very similar molecules that come from each of those sources. Vitamin D3, which is also known as cholecalciferol, is created by skin cells called keratinocytes from a breakdown product of cholesterol, 7-dehydrocholesterol, in response to UVB light. Vitamin D2, or ergocalciferol, is derived from a similar plant sterol, and the resulting molecule has slight structural differences that distinguish it from D3. Neither version has any biological activity in the body, however. First, either molecule must be modified by a series of related enzymes in a process called hydroxylation, which adds two thirds of a water molecule to generate 25-hydroxyvitamin D (25D).Posts: 6572 | From: N.Y.C....Capital of the World | Registered: Jun 2008
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4. Groups at risk of not obtaining adequate amounts of vitamin D include:
· the elderly;
· exclusively breast-fed babies;
· individuals with dark skin pigmentation;
· individuals with limited skin exposure to the sun (e.g. housebound, or those who wear clothing covering most of the skin for cultural/religious reasons); and
· those who during the winter are living above 370 latitude (Canada and Northern US).Posts: 6572 | From: N.Y.C....Capital of the World | Registered: Jun 2008
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quote:Originally posted by meninarmer: Interestingly, as I pointed out months ago in the Albinism symptoms list which included small physical statue and small bones, all of these traits can be credited to ALBINISM. Thank you for posting supporting documentation.
I take it you're talking about this excerpt; so now people from Europe to Sri Lanka and Japan are albinos too?
Well, of course. Do you think Albinism sprang from Africa straight to Europe. No way. There were intermediates. Check this out. Albinos are susceptible to Skin Cancer. World skin cancer cases affect these white nationalities. The Asians in the graph are very likely Chinese. The Hispanics are very likely transplanted Europeans, I.E., Argentina or Venezuela. I would have thought African Albinos would be just as susceptible, but amazingly, they fail to make the chart.
World Deaths from melanoma by Race Posts: 3595 | From: Moved To Mars. Waiting with shotgun | Registered: Dec 2006
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Why are dark sinned individuals at risk for Vitamin D deficiency more than lightskin; well, because....
The high melanin content in darker skin reduces the skin's ability to produce vitamin D from sunlight. In fact, experts note that people with darker skin may need 20 to 30 times as much exposure to sunlight as fair-skinned individuals to generate the same amount of vitamin D in northern latitudes.
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quote:Originally posted by meninarmer: Interestingly, as I pointed out months ago in the Albinism symptoms list which included small physical statue and small bones, all of these traits can be credited to ALBINISM. Thank you for posting supporting documentation.
I take it you're talking about this excerpt; so now people from Europe to Sri Lanka and Japan are albinos too?
quote:..Neolithic populations from Europe to Sri Lanka lost an average of two inches in height, and in Japan, there was a two-to-five-year drop in the average age at death for men and a three-year drop for women....
Well, of course.
True, look at these albinos...
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Naw, we've been through this before months ago. At that time, when you first asked the exact same question, I posted an article by a medical doctor who correctly stated, Vitamin D deficiencies in black women was due to their intentionally not taking available supplements. As I attempted to explain to you, but I guess you failed to comprehend, the trade-off with taking Vitamins is, they make you hungry which in-turn, makes you want to eat. For women, this is an unacceptable compromise. They don't want to eat, so they won't take vitamins. They'd rather take bad bones over a fat figure.
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quote:Originally posted by meninarmer: I posted an article by a medical doctor who correctly stated, Vitamin D deficiencies in black women was due to their intentionally not taking available supplements.
Gee wiz guy you're a fricken genius!
Dark skin blocks out the sun, hence they need to take supplements in northern climes. They don't take them, hence they are suffering from Vitamin D deficiency.
If they were in a tropical environment where there is more sunshine, then there would be no need for them to take supplements.
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quote:Originally posted by meninarmer: Interestingly, as I pointed out months ago in the Albinism symptoms list which included small physical statue and small bones, all of these traits can be credited to ALBINISM. Thank you for posting supporting documentation.
I take it you're talking about this excerpt; so now people from Europe to Sri Lanka and Japan are albinos too?
quote:..Neolithic populations from Europe to Sri Lanka lost an average of two inches in height, and in Japan, there was a two-to-five-year drop in the average age at death for men and a three-year drop for women....
Well, of course.
True, look at these albinos...
Or these
Or, as this Japanese Albinism Research report concludes;
P-gene-related oculocutaneous albinism (OCA2) is an autosomal recessive disorder. The phenotype is typically somewhat less severe than that of the tyrosinase-negative type (OCA1A). One of the mutations in the P gene, A481T, is associated with a mild phenotype, occasionally with no distinctive skin manifestations , which is called subclinical OCA. We present a Japanese patient having the A481T mutant allele in the P gene with subclinical oculocutaneous albinism diagnosed on getting severely sunburned. The A481T mutant allele is relatively common in the Caucasian population as well as in Japan, indicating that a number of subclinical patients of OCA2 might exist not only in Japan, but also all over the world.
Masahiro Kawai, Tamio Suzuki, Shiro Ito, Katsuhiko Inagaki, Noriyuki Suzuki, Yasushi Tomita Department of Dermatology, Nagoya University Graduate School of Medicine, Nagoya, JapanPosts: 3595 | From: Moved To Mars. Waiting with shotgun | Registered: Dec 2006
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quote:The A481T mutant allele is relatively common in the Caucasian population as well as in Japan, indicating that a number of subclinical patients of OCA2 might exist not only in Japan, but also all over the world.
Dismissed! Japanese and Sri Lankans are not albinos either.
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