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Originally posted by MindoverMatter718:
Of course non Africans were in Africa first and then migrated out, but they were still Africans while in Africa before leaving.

This is noted due to the fact that East Africans carry the ancestral lineages for all non Africans, this is why Ethiopians and Somalis appear intermediate as explained.

Of course Tishkoff is not saying the non African population became non African inside of Africa and left non African genetic diversity in East Africa, that doesn't even make sense, they were still African while in Africa hence the genetic diversity was/is African..

When the East African population migrated out of Africa never to return is when the linages that derived from then on became non African, and sorry but as Tishkoff notes this intermediate position is due to local evolution and NOT admixture with Eurasians!


Take note;

Comparative genetic studies on geographically diverse populations provide evidence of high levels of diversity in continental Africa. Sarah Tishkoff and her colleagues (1986) find an intermediate pattern of genetic variation at the CD4 locus in northeastern (actually Horn) African populations. They explain this by local evolution and not by admixture with Eurasians. In essence they are describing a gradient of differentiation. The Horn, largely at the latitude of Nigeria, contains a subset of the diversity seen in other African regions. Tishkoff and her colleagues suggest that the Horn's inhabitant's are the local descendants of those who left Africa to populate the world. -- S.O.Y. Keita


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Cavalli-Sforza: Genes, Culture, and Human Evolution. Pg 187.


..."In other words, all non-Africans carry M168. Of course, Africans carrying the M168 mutation today are the descendants of the African subpopulation from which the migrants originated.... Thus, the Australian/Eurasian Adam (the ancestor of all non-Africans) was an East African Man."

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Indeed, and Tishkof herself warns against simplistic admixture models..

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Originally posted by Bettyboo:
Moses wasn't mistaken for an Egyptian. Where is the evidence that moses was mistaken for an Egyptian.

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In Exodus after fleeing Egypt Moses rescued the daughters of Jethro from some shepherds who were bullying them. They say that an Egyptian rescued them:

Exodus 2:17-19 - Some shepherds came along and drove them away, but Moses got up and came to their rescue and watered their flock. When the girls returned to Reuel their father, he asked them, "Why have you returned so early today?" They answered, "An Egyptian rescued us from the shepherds. He even drew water for us and watered the flock."


I wouldn't ascribe any racial meaning to this. According to the Bible Moses grew up in Pharaoh's court so culturally he was an Egyptian.

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Thanks, but Ebony Allen said Moses was confused as an Egyptian while he was around Egyptians. Please read her post. Moses was never confused for an Egyptian. I agree with the above but lest not mistaken this for looking alike. Moses was indeed and Egyptian by nationality and culture.

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Actually Moses was mistaken for an Egyptian: Exodus 2:18
18 And when they came to Reuel their father, he said, How is it that ye are come so soon to day? 19 And they said, An Egyptian(Moses) delivered us out of the hand of the shepherds, and also drew water enough for us, and watered the flock

You don't have to stop at Moses...Joseph, and many Hebrews up even until Jesus and the Apostles day were mistaken as Egyptians..
Acts 21: 38
38Art not thou that Egyptian, which before these days made an uproar, and led out into the wilderness four thousand men that were murderers?

The Hebrews are always linked in some way, shape or form to the Sons of Ham(Mizriam, Kush, Canaan, and Phut) Mainly Mizriam and Kush and Canaan...Who by all accounts were Black People. The Land of Chaldea where Abraham Came from was founded by Ethiopians...The Hebrews married Canaanite and other Hamatic(Egyptians and Ethiopian) wives...Why not Japhetic Women or be mistaken for Japhetic famlies.

The Biblical Hebrews were Brown and Black skinned people and the best representation are the current population of Egypt where a remnant is still there...

Do you even read your bible??

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Originally posted by AswaniAswad:
Amhara,Tigreans are not mixed with arabs or europeans u need to get your facts straight. The language of Tigreans,and Tigre is related to Aramaic,Hebrew,and Arabic semitic languages Ethiopia alone has more semitic languages than all of the socalled Middle east combined but Tigrinia,Tigre,and Amharic are not fully semitic languages there is a big cushitic element i am a speaker of arabic,tigre,beja,and tigrinia. EbonyAllen dont let the look of Amhara and Tigreans fool u into thinking like those European Bigots who claim them to be of arab european admixture because of a look that is not even of european or arab origin.

If u claim Amhara,Tigreans,and Tigre to be of Arab European admixture then u Must as Well include all of Northern Sudan, the socalled Nubians of Northern Sudan Southern Egypt, Beja of Egypt,Sudan,Eritrea,Somali,Dijbouti they look no different than your socalled Admixtured Amhara,Tigrean,Tigre of eritea,NOrth ethiopia.

Somali,Oromo,Afar,Saho,Bilen,and Agaw are all Cushitic languages spoken by those different groups of people Somalia,Oromo-southern ethiopia, Afar-eritrea,djbouti, Saho-eritrea, Bilen-eritrea, Agaw-northwest ethiopia. These people look no different than there Amhara,Tigrean,and Tigre brothers.

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