quote:Originally posted by asante-Korton: Black Africans or any other blacks that are living in the USA should be showing alot more respect to AA's, if it wasn't for them you would not even be in that country
^That's not necessarily true. Black immigrants would be able to immigrate but they wouldn't enjoy the privileges and benefits that are given to them under the banner of identifying as black or African American. I don't think Black immigrants understand that they take away a lot of privileges that are reserved for African-Americans. Black Africans and other blacks really don't have disrespect for blacks. Those who do are normally acting out of fear or trying to "conform" the best way they know how out of fear of losing privileges and in some cases minor advantages. They also afraid of being deported. In other cases, a lot of black Africans and other blacks keep their distance from black Americans because of cultural differences or class difference.
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quote:There is no real distinction between a large segment of the AA middle class, and a large segment of the AA lower class, when it comes to problems in the diasporal communities. When you look at the statistics, the AA lower class is way too small to account for what's going on. Furthermore, it'd be wrong to dump everything on the lower class AA's, because there are plenty of poverty stricken, but still rightious and hard working AA lower class people. If some of the statistics regarding single parent homes are representative, lower class blacks simply cannot account for them by themselves.
I am not dumping everything on the black lower class,but the fact that depressed economic conditions is a big contributing factor in absent dads,especially if one was receiving welfare the father could not be in the home,and having out of wedlock babies was rewarded with more checks,that in essence builds itself into a cycle,but there is an over-all factor especially in America that the nuclear family as we knew it is disappearing couples are not staying together through thick and thin anymore..until death do us part??..No until I find fault!
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quote:Originally posted by osirion: We learned civil disobedience from the Indians (Ghandi).
^Utter bullshyt. I know your azz isn't black. You are either biracial who has been disconnected from the AA experience or a biracial who is learning the AA experience. If not, you're a nonblack who is interested in learning about the black experience (nothing wrong with that). I never heard anything so despicable and disrespectful than what you wrote above. Blacks in America and worldwide have not learned anything from India or Ghandi and neither did Martin Luther King Jr. Your certainly isn't black. Keep reading those white school books that tell our story and you will get dismissed. Black people didn't learn "civil disobedience" or "civil obedience" from anyone. Black people are innately reserved and compliant and patient. You must think the civil rights movement of the 60s is the hallmark of the black American heritage and experience. It isn't. The civil rights movement of the 60s was the government idea and a government act. I never cared for you, but I absolutely have no respect for you on this forum. Nothing disgust me more than biracials and nonblacks thinking they have the answers to black people's problem and assuming any thing desirable about blacks came from outsiders or had to be learned from outsiders. You sound like a fvcking Krakker or an Asian. Blacks nor MLK didn't learn SHYT from India or Ghandi.
Didn't think you were Black myself especially with that talk about Blacks being feeble minded. I am more Black than most African Americans. I am just not American - I am English and more connected to my African ancestry and culture. Lived in Africa, traveled through African and India, and I know a thing or two.
We stand on the shoulders of Giants. Ghandi was one of these great giants.
quote:Originally posted by the lioness: We need to reconnect with West African culture, get deeper into it and combine it with modern knowledge.
^There's no such thing as AAs reconnecting to something they never were connected to. Secondly, West Africa just like the rest of Africa is westernized and what appears in so-called west african culture takes place in every westernized society. Anything that is unchanged about west africa that can be called authentically west african AAs need to stay away from it. AAs have their own culture which is American and Western. We don't need to ditch our culture for an unkown one that will conflict with our beliefs, cultures, knowledge, philosophy, and norms. Just because many AAs ancestors are from west Africa doesn't mean AAs should have an affinity for it. If AAs do decide to leave America to settle in Africa, they will need their own land where the can live amongst themselves with their belief and culture in mind. AAs aren't African and trying to flock amongst a strange people will cause conflict.
AAs just need to be left alone. They need their own space. Enough with living amongst other people and conforming to their ways. If the African way was so much better, it would work for them. Instead they flee to westernized nations to live better and feel better. We need to live amongst ourselves so we can be left alone and conform to our own ways.
your slave mentality is frightening. I hope there are not many out there with this type of thinking.
^Those are the words of wisdom not the words of a slave like yourself.
I don't have a slave history nor a slave culture sweetie, your mentality on the other hand clearly shows you come from a family who have been beaten down by slavery and you seem to still harbor the affects of such circumstances. I am sorry if that bothers you but your actions clearly show this.
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quote:aren't you Japanese? What is wrong with what I said? Japanese porno seems rather creepy and plan sick to me.
First off I am not Japanese second you first claimed that blacks who listen to raunchy music be it blues or hip hip,is the reason for absenteeism but Japanese porn which is very very old and extremely misogynous,while creepy have no effect on Japanese male psyche,second all is not well in the land of the rising sun as far as traditional nuclear family goes..look up the term otaku.
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quote:Originally posted by osirion: We learned civil disobedience from the Indians (Ghandi).
^Utter bullshyt. I know your azz isn't black. You are either biracial who has been disconnected from the AA experience or a biracial who is learning the AA experience. If not, you're a nonblack who is interested in learning about the black experience (nothing wrong with that). I never heard anything so despicable and disrespectful than what you wrote above. Blacks in America and worldwide have not learned anything from India or Ghandi and neither did Martin Luther King Jr. Your certainly isn't black. Keep reading those white school books that tell our story and you will get dismissed. Black people didn't learn "civil disobedience" or "civil obedience" from anyone. Black people are innately reserved and compliant and patient. You must think the civil rights movement of the 60s is the hallmark of the black American heritage and experience. It isn't. The civil rights movement of the 60s was the government idea and a government act. I never cared for you, but I absolutely have no respect for you on this forum. Nothing disgust me more than biracials and nonblacks thinking they have the answers to black people's problem and assuming any thing desirable about blacks came from outsiders or had to be learned from outsiders. You sound like a fvcking Krakker or an Asian. Blacks nor MLK didn't learn SHYT from India or Ghandi.
Didn't think you were Black myself especially with that talk about Blacks being feeble minded. I am more Black than most African Americans. I am just not American - I am English and more connected to my African ancestry and culture. Lived in Africa, traveled through African and India, and I know a thing or two.
We stand on the shoulders of Giants. Ghandi was one of these great giants.
I knew he was a racist- thanks for saving me the time of bringing that up, lol...the other tings you mentioned I didn't know...
For those who don't know:
quote: #1 - Don't let the emotion of who you believe Gandhi to be to get in the way of actual facts.
#2 - Gandhi was a Hindu. Hindus believe in the caste system which states that individuals are born into castes and this is where they live and die.
#3 - Gandhi's early struggle in south Africa was predicated on the idea that Europeans should treat Indians better than they did because the Indians were better than Blacks
#4 - Gandhi has many published quotes where he refers to South African Blacks as lazy and aimless.
#5 - His views softened somewhat as he grew older but his campaign of non-violence was for the equal treatment of Indians, not Blacks.
#6 - Just because he employed the amazing strategy of non-violence doesn't mean he advocated for everyone.
#7 - Just because everyone employed his techniques of non-violence doesn't mean he approved of them, after all most who used his techniques came almost 20 - 40 years AFTER him.
#8 - Just because he was racist doesn't negate what he has done in the world, it only reaffirms the complicated ideals that occupy the human heart.
#9 - Just because your disappointed (as I was) to find this out, doesn't mean it isn't true.
Here are words recorded in multiple locations attributed to Gandhi.
"Ours is one continued struggle against degradation sought to be inflicted upon us by the European, who desire to degrade us to the level of the raw Kaffir, whose occupation is hunting and whose sole ambition is to collect a certain number of cattle to buy a wife with, and then pass his life in indolence and nakedness."
"It is one thing to register natives who would not work, and whom it is very difficult to find out if they absent themselves, but it is another thing -and most insulting - to expect decent, hard-working, and respectable Indians, whose only fault is that they work too much, to have themselves registered and carry with them registration badges."
"Clause 200 makes provision for registration of persons belonging to uncivilized races, resident and employed within the Borough. One can understand the necessity of registration of Kaffirs who will not work, but why should registration be required for indentured Indians who have become free, and for their descendants about whom the general complaint is that they work too much?"
Even the children are taught to believe in that manner, with the result that the Indian is being dragged down to the position of a raw Kaffir1.
37. So far as the feeling has been expressed, it is to degrade the Indian to the position of the Kaffir
The British rulers take us to be so lowly and ignorant that they assume that, like the Kaffirs2 who can be pleased with toys and pins, we can also be fobbed off with trinkets.
Kaffirs are as a rule uncivilised—the convicts even more so. They are troublesome, very dirty and live almost like animals. Each ward contains nearly 50 to 60 of them. They often started rows and fought among themselves. The reader can easily imagine the plight of the poor Indian thrown into such company!
The most important reason why we should not assume that it is because of our frail physique that we are thought weak is that the Kaffirs are thought weak by the whites despite their superior physical strength. They are intellectually backward. They are unlettered and have no arts.
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quote:Originally posted by typeZeiss: I don't have a slave history nor a slave culture sweetie, your mentality on the other hand clearly shows you come from a family who have been beaten down by slavery and you seem to still harbor the affects of such circumstances. I am sorry if that bothers you but your actions clearly show this.
^I can't help if you didn't like what I said. AA can't reconnect to anywhere where they never were connected to nor can they flock amongst a strange group without causing conflict. ALL AAs come from a family or heritage who has been "beaten down" by slavery and our attitude ought to show that lest we forget. At the same time, we don't need foregin blacks to tell us to ditch our culture to conform to theirs. Maybe you Africans with your colonial mentality think we should "just move on". You have a colonial mentality and seem to harbor the affects of such circumstances. You may not have a slave history (mockery of black Americans) but you certainly have a colonial history and culture. What AAs don't need is an African or any other foreign black telling AA what's best for them. You just made mockery of not having a slave history or culture due to you being African, but you DO have both including a colonial history and culture. Bytch you don't want to get into chest thumping with me. Is that's your defense against AA -- "I don't have a slave history or culture." How often you use that line.
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness: We need to reconnect with West African culture, get deeper into it and combine it with modern knowledge.
^There's no such thing as AAs reconnecting to something they never were connected to. Secondly, West Africa just like the rest of Africa is westernized and what appears in so-called west african culture takes place in every westernized society. Anything that is unchanged about west africa that can be called authentically west african AAs need to stay away from it. AAs have their own culture which is American and Western. We don't need to ditch our culture for an unkown one that will conflict with our beliefs, cultures, knowledge, philosophy, and norms. Just because many AAs ancestors are from west Africa doesn't mean AAs should have an affinity for it. If AAs do decide to leave America to settle in Africa, they will need their own land where the can live amongst themselves with their belief and culture in mind. AAs aren't African and trying to flock amongst a strange people will cause conflict.
AAs just need to be left alone. They need their own space. Enough with living amongst other people and conforming to their ways. If the African way was so much better, it would work for them. Instead they flee to westernized nations to live better and feel better. We need to live amongst ourselves so we can be left alone and conform to our own ways.
your slave mentality is frightening. I hope there are not many out there with this type of thinking.
^Those are the words of wisdom not the words of a slave like yourself.
I don't have a slave history nor a slave culture sweetie, your mentality on the other hand clearly shows you come from a family who have been beaten down by slavery and you seem to still harbor the affects of such circumstances. I am sorry if that bothers you but your actions clearly show this.
No tell me seh you really think that broad is a Black Woman smh...
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What did he do? He didn't help india, and he didn't help the world. His motives were for HIS people. If I were a Indian, who benefited from whatever he supposedly did, then yeah, I may sing his praise. But he did nothing to help Africans so I don't give a rats arse about this bald headed, child molesting sodomite.
Africans and those of the diaspora really piss me off sometimes. We are way to willing to embrace everyone. this is stupid. I see it among African Muslims and christians so much. We are so quick to try and adopt Arab and european culture en lieu of our own. We are also quick to call those people brother, when they are only out to exploit us, and help out THEIR people. I will be the first to say as a Muslim, a arab or indian isn't my brother, just because he says As Salaam A'laykom. These people mean us no good, so why should we embrace these people? I remember a INDIAN of all people had the nerve to tell me Nigerians are a dirty people who are prone to littering and that its their culture. ERR REALLY, a INDIAN saying this? They come from one of the dirtiest countries on the face of the earth. My point is, these people look down on Africans and the diaspora. We shouldn't be trying to hold our hands out to these people.
Not to mention Judaism, Christianity and Islam is based off African religious system, yet we are so quick to look down on our home grown cultural practices and religions. I am Muslim and wouldn't change that for the world, but I would never refer to a Yoruba for example as a "kafir" (non believer) or a pagan. Africans are not Pagan by our nature, we are monotheist. Our traditional religions all profess such, as did Kemet. Only the simple minded would think other wise. We need to stop trying to connect with all these different people who have nothing to do with us and do not have our best interest at heart. embrace ourselves and OUR heros first and foremost. Let these Hindus have Gandhi, we sure as hell do not need him.
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quote:Originally posted by typeZeiss: I don't have a slave history nor a slave culture sweetie, your mentality on the other hand clearly shows you come from a family who have been beaten down by slavery and you seem to still harbor the affects of such circumstances. I am sorry if that bothers you but your actions clearly show this.
^I can't help if you didn't like what I said. AA can't reconnect to anywhere where they never were connected to nor can they flock amongst a strange group without causing conflict. ALL AAs come from a family or heritage who has been "beaten down" by slavery and our attitude ought to show that lest we forget. At the same time, we don't need foregin blacks to tell us to ditch our culture to conform to theirs. Maybe you Africans with your colonial mentality think we should "just move on". You have a colonial mentality and seem to harbor the affects of such circumstances. You may not have a slave history (mockery of black Americans) but you certainly have a colonial history and culture. What AAs don't need is an African or any other foreign black telling AA what's best for them. You just made mockery of not having a slave history or culture due to you being African, but you DO have both including a colonial history and culture. Bytch you don't want to get into chest thumping with me. Is that's your defense against AA -- "I don't have a slave history or culture." How often you use that line.
listen dufus, African Americans have a LOT of Africanisms in the culture, your just to ignorant to realize that. What I propose is that Africans of the diaspora cultivate their africanisms and give Europeans back the parts that they introduced and are detrimental. These whites only want to try and pretend like African Americans are totally cut off from Africa and have nothing to do with the place. its BULL CRAP.
I am not saying forget the past, never forget!!! What I am saying is reconnect. And yes African Americans can go back to Africa, tons of those of the diaspora have found their way to Ghana, Nigeria, Kenya and I even know of some in Uganda. These whites don't want to talk about that though. Africa needs African Americans and African Americans need Africa. Africa can give African Americans back a piece of themselves that are missing. Africa need the know how and the knowledge of who the enemy is from the AA. You would be surprised how naive Africans are as far as what is going on in terms of people actively working to keep Africa and her children down.
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quote:Originally posted by typeZeiss: truthandrights
I 100% disagree with #8.
What did he do? He didn't help india, and he didn't help the world. His motives were for HIS people. If I were a Indian, who benefited from whatever he supposedly did, then yeah, I may sing his praise. But he did nothing to help Africans so I don't give a rats arse about this bald headed, child molesting sodomite.
Africans and those of the diaspora really piss me off sometimes. We are way to willing to embrace everyone. this is stupid. I see it among African Muslims and christians so much. We are so quick to try and adopt Arab and european culture en lieu of our own. We are also quick to call those people brother, when they are only out to exploit us, and help out THEIR people. I will be the first to say as a Muslim, a arab or indian isn't my brother, just because he says As Salaam A'laykom. These people mean us no good, so why should we embrace these people? I remember a INDIAN of all people had the nerve to tell me Nigerians are a dirty people who are prone to littering and that its their culture. ERR REALLY, a INDIAN saying this? They come from one of the dirtiest countries on the face of the earth. My point is, these people look down on Africans and the diaspora. We shouldn't be trying to hold our hands out to these people.
Not to mention Judaism, Christianity and Islam is based off African religious system, yet we are so quick to look down on our home grown cultural practices and religions. I am Muslim and wouldn't change that for the world, but I would never refer to a Yoruba for example as a "kafir" (non believer) or a pagan. Africans are not Pagan by our nature, we are monotheist. Our traditional religions all profess such, as did Kemet. Only the simple minded would think other wise. We need to stop trying to connect with all these different people who have nothing to do with us and do not have our best interest at heart. embrace ourselves and OUR heros first and foremost. Let these Hindus have Gandhi, we sure as hell do not need him.
Truth...
btw...I never said I agreed with #8 smh I was just giving the entire quote, is all...
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quote:listen dufus, African Americans have a LOT of Africanisms in the culture, your just to ignorant to realize that. What I propose is that Africans of the diaspora cultivate their africanisms and give Europeans back the parts that they introduced and are detrimental. These whites only want to try and pretend like African Americans are totally cut off from Africa and have nothing to do with the place. its BULL CRAP.
I am not saying forget the past, never forget!!! What I am saying is reconnect. And yes African Americans can go back to Africa, tons of those of the diaspora have found their way to Ghana, Nigeria, Kenya and I even know of some in Uganda. These whites don't want to talk about that though. Africa needs African Americans and African Americans need Africa. Africa can give African Americans back a piece of themselves that are missing. Africa need the know how and the knowledge of who the enemy is from the AA. You would be surprised how naive Africans are as far as what is going on in terms of people actively working to keep Africa and her children down
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quote:Originally posted by typeZeiss: listen dufus, African Americans have a LOT of Africanisms in the culture, your just to ignorant to realize that. What I propose is that Africans of the diaspora cultivate their africanisms and give Europeans back the parts that they introduced and are detrimental. These whites only want to try and pretend like African Americans are totally cut off from Africa and have nothing to do with the place. its BULL CRAP.
^typeZeiss I lost complete respect for you when you made mockery of AA having slave history and culture. I don't know what kind of chest thumping you think you were doing, forgetting that Africans allow their land, people, culture, language, laws, and religion to be overrun and replaced by outsiders till the point that Africans can't get a job unless they speak the white man's language and don't even print their own nation's money. You can never chest thump about not having "slave blood". I don't know if you use that as a defense against AA when your feelings are hurt but it's a huge mistake for any African to chest thump about not having slave blood when they come from a culture of practicing slavery and a history and culture of colonialism. How do you think it was so easy for Africans to sell other Africans into slavery if they didn't have a history or culture of enslaving their neighbors? Never mind that.
AA are the only group in the diaspora that take great pride in having African ancestry and the only black group that carries no shame in identifying as African. My opinion is that we are the mightest black group on earth and it's not because of the government ochestrated civil rights movement of the 60s. AA is an American westernized group. If AA can live peacefully amongst Africans in Africa that is because Africans are westernized due to their colonial history and culture. AA cannot live amongst Africans who are authentically African in culture and thought because it will cause conflict.
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quote:Originally posted by typeZeiss: listen dufus, African Americans have a LOT of Africanisms in the culture, your just to ignorant to realize that. What I propose is that Africans of the diaspora cultivate their africanisms and give Europeans back the parts that they introduced and are detrimental. These whites only want to try and pretend like African Americans are totally cut off from Africa and have nothing to do with the place. its BULL CRAP.
^typeZeiss I lost complete respect for you when you made mockery of AA having slave history and culture. I don't know what kind of chest thumping you think you were doing, forgetting that Africans allow their land, people, culture, language, laws, and religion to be overrun and replaced by outsiders till the point that Africans can't get a job unless they speak the white man's language and don't even print their own nation's money. You can never chest thump about not having "slave blood". I don't know if you use that as a defense against AA when your feelings are hurt but it's a huge mistake for any African to chest thump about not having slave blood when they come from a culture of practicing slavery and a history and culture of colonialism. How do you think it was so easy for Africans to sell other Africans into slavery if they didn't have a history or culture of enslaving their neighbors? Never mind that.
AA are the only group in the diaspora that take great pride in having African ancestry and the only black group that carries no shame in identifying as African. My opinion is that we are the mightest black group on earth and it's not because of the government ochestrated civil rights movement of the 60s. AA is an American westernized group. If AA can live peacefully amongst Africans in Africa that is because Africans are westernized due to their colonial history and culture. AA cannot live amongst Africans who are authentically African in culture and thought because it will cause conflict.
I didn't mock AAs, I mocked someone with a slave mentality i.e. YOU
As for Africa, you are 100% right, Africa needs help. You are also right that in my opinion there are AAs that know more about the history of the continent than those living on the continent. I don't deny any of that. But I stand by my words that you have a slave mentality. You are a afro european in my opinion and by that I mean a coconut. I think you get my meaning, no?
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quote:AA are the only group in the diaspora that take great pride in having African ancestry and the only black group that carries no shame in identifying as African. My opinion is that we are the mightest black group on earth and it's not because of the government ochestrated civil rights movement of the 60s. AA is an American westernized group. If AA can live peacefully amongst Africans in Africa that is because Africans are westernized due to their colonial history and culture. AA cannot live amongst Africans who are authentically African in culture and thought because it will cause conflict.
What an unbelievably stupid and uninformed statement to make if for nothing else see Melanin king's thread.
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quote:Originally posted by typeZeiss: I didn't mock AAs, I mocked someone with a slave mentality i.e. YOU
But I stand by my words that you have a slave mentality. You are a afro european in my opinion and by that I mean a coconut. I think you get my meaning, no?
^typeZeiss you publicly mocked AA of having slave blood. You can't single me out because ALL african-americans have slave history and culture. That is something we can't disconnect from because it lives in our blood and for you to think you were chest thumping by making mockery out of African-American heritage as descendants of slave makes you lose all credibility. I'm not an Afro-european but an American so it makes sense for me to act like an American and to speak like an American and to think like an American. It's my history and culture. It is YOU who is not getting it. I don't get what you mean other than your mockery of AA having slave blood forgetting that Africans have colonial blood. What's worse. Being born into a nation where your people aren't the majority and innovators of the law and system or being born into your own land where you have to obey outsiders' laws, have to speak your colonial masters' language to get a job, need another nation to print your monetary because your nation don't have the power to decide the financial future of its people. This is not getting into the AA vs African argument. I'm pointing out how emotional black people can be when they don't think before they speak. You certainly were trying to chest thump by making mockery of AA as being descendants of slaves. I think you are an afro-european, a complete coconut.
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quote:Originally posted by typeZeiss: I didn't mock AAs, I mocked someone with a slave mentality i.e. YOU
But I stand by my words that you have a slave mentality. You are a afro european in my opinion and by that I mean a coconut. I think you get my meaning, no?
^typeZeiss you publicly mocked AA of having slave blood. You can't single me out because ALL african-americans have slave history and culture. That is something we can't disconnect from because it lives in our blood and for you to think you were chest thumping by making mockery out of African-American heritage as descendants of slave makes you lose all credibility. I'm not an Afro-european but an American so it makes sense for me to act like an American and to speak like an American and to think like an American. It's my history and culture. It is YOU who is not getting it. I don't get what you mean other than your mockery of AA having slave blood forgetting that Africans have colonial blood. What's worse. Being born into a nation where your people aren't the majority and innovators of the law and system or being born into your own land where you have to obey outsiders' laws, have to speak your colonial masters' language to get a job, need another nation to print your monetary because your nation don't have the power to decide the financial future of its people. This is not getting into the AA vs African argument. I'm pointing out how emotional black people can be when they don't think before they speak. You certainly were trying to chest thump by making mockery of AA as being descendants of slaves. I think you are an afro-european, a complete coconut.
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quote:Originally posted by asante-Korton: Black Africans or any other blacks that are living in the USA should be showing alot more respect to AA's, if it wasn't for them you would not even be in that country
What does this mean, that one cannot identify problems in the diasporal African community, and talk about them? Most young African Americans with historical ties to the US don't do squat about improving racial relations, in terms of controlling how they're stereotyping themselves.
The point is, the ancestors of African Americans are the ones who did all the hard work, which many of the new younger ones have taken for granted, perhaps even more than other blacks.
I'm not sure if any of the dead civil rights leaders, and others before them, would agree with your assessment about the need for Africans to revere present day AA's, to the point of sweeping the problems under the rug, in the name of ''respect''.
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quote:Originally posted by Bettypoop: that is something we can't disconnect from because it lives in our blood
quote:Originally posted by Bettypoop: AA are the only group in the diaspora that take great pride in having African ancestry and the only black group that carries no shame in identifying as African.
quote:Originally posted by Bettypoop: If AA can live peacefully amongst Africans in Africa that is because Africans are westernized due to their colonial history and culture.
quote:Originally posted by Bettypoop: Black Africans and other blacks really don't have disrespect for blacks.
quote:There is no real distinction between a large segment of the AA middle class, and a large segment of the AA lower class, when it comes to problems in the diasporal communities. When you look at the statistics, the AA lower class is way too small to account for what's going on. Furthermore, it'd be wrong to dump everything on the lower class AA's, because there are plenty of poverty stricken, but still rightious and hard working AA lower class people. If some of the statistics regarding single parent homes are representative, lower class blacks simply cannot account for them by themselves.
I am not dumping everything on the black lower class,but the fact that depressed economic conditions is a big contributing factor in absent dads,especially if one was receiving welfare the father could not be in the home,and having out of wedlock babies was rewarded with more checks,that in essence builds itself into a cycle,but there is an over-all factor especially in America that the nuclear family as we knew it is disappearing couples are not staying together through thick and thin anymore..until death do us part??..No until I find fault!
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quote:Originally posted by asante-Korton: Black Africans or any other blacks that are living in the USA should be showing alot more respect to AA's, if it wasn't for them you would not even be in that country
What does this mean, that one cannot identify problems in the diasporal African community, and talk about them? Most young African Americans with historical ties to the US don't do squat about improving racial relations, in terms of controlling how they're stereotyping themselves.
The point is, the ancestors of African Americans are the ones who did all the hard work, which many of the new younger ones have taken for granted, perhaps even more than other blacks.
I'm not sure if any of the dead civil rights leaders, and others before them, would agree with your assessment about the need for Africans to revere present day AA's, to the point of sweeping the problems under the rug, in the name of ''respect''.
Great post and I agree 100%. But I believe it should be taken a step further to include all Africans (including the diaspora). People act as if its only African Americans who are out of touch with their ancestry. Have you ever watched those Jamaican dance-hall things? Very animalistic to say the least. Also, in Brooklyn you should see how the West Indians carry on during J'ouvert. Or if you go to Washington heights in the Bx you should see how the Dominicans are hacking each other up and acting like pure animals. Don't get me wrong you see the same crap in Africa too in terms of gangs and violence, especially in Kenya and Nigeria.
Many of us have turned away from honoring our forefathers. We honor them by carrying on their traditions and furthering our cause, which is the sustained betterment of African people. A first start is to learn about our forefathers, not just AA forefathers, but forefathers on the continent as well. Learn about our history and who we are and what we have accomplished both at home and abroad. Next is to start carrying ourselves in dignified manners and boycotting music which perpetuates instinctual behavior over intellectual upliftment.
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quote:Originally posted by asante-Korton: Black Africans or any other blacks that are living in the USA should be showing alot more respect to AA's, if it wasn't for them you would not even be in that country
What does this mean, that one cannot identify problems in the diasporal African community, and talk about them? Most young African Americans with historical ties to the US don't do squat about improving racial relations, in terms of controlling how they're stereotyping themselves.
The point is, the ancestors of African Americans are the ones who did all the hard work, which many of the new younger ones have taken for granted, perhaps even more than other blacks.
I'm not sure if any of the dead civil rights leaders, and others before them, would agree with your assessment about the need for Africans to revere present day AA's, to the point of sweeping the problems under the rug, in the name of ''respect''.
My statement was directed at osirion it seemed as though he was looking down on AA's and thinking that he was better than them like many Africans do
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Just interesting. I have heard and read all the above cultural ad hominems may times. It all boils down to psychological immaturity--nothing more.
Yet curiously enough such kinds of arguments are never heard among other groups. In the case of the Americas, Native Americans of South America and Mexico were actual slaves owned by Spaniards until Spanish priest, Bartolomo de las Casas argued for them to be released from slavery and Africans substituted instead. Yet I have never heard of Native Americans making such accusations against the Native Americans of Mexico and South America.
The folk history of the Jews begins in a slavery that they proudly proclaim because they were rescued and led to a free land of "milk and honey" by their Deity. The Jews were also slaves in Nazi concentration camps which they freely talk about but I am yet to hear a Jew from Russia or Europe or West Asia decry those Jews for having such an experience. They would be quickly excommunicated from the "tribe". Many living Italians and Greeks are descendants of slaves held during classical times but that's not a point of distinction in those societies.
In actual historical fact the Europeans did actually practise "chattel slavery--i.e. actual property rights over individuals--in parts of Africa such as Cape Verde, Angola, Sao Tome e Principe, Mozambique, Mauritius, Reunion, South Africa[slaves were recruited from West Africa, Angola and the Congo until they were replaced by South Asians brought in as indentured labourers].
The concept of "slave" is easily unpacked. It maeans that the individual has no subjective power to dispose of himself or herself as he or she sees fit. One is fully under the control of another.
In precolonial Africa--as in pre-modern Europe--labour especially in the larger population units was mostly unfree. Recall Mansa Musa taking thousands of slaves on his pilgrimage to Macca. In fact, much of humanity was unfree--whether serf, bondsman, villein or slave--until the modern era when machines began to replace labour.
During the colonial era there was indeed the enslavement of the African by the European because it was done in situ as was the case of the Congo and South Africa. Thus there was no need to buy or sell slaves except in the Portugese held territories especially.
Each colonial power had huge reservoirs of labour in the territories it controlled. In fact, one could easily say that such controlled labour was "colonial slavery" in the sense that the labour necessary to build roads, dig mines, put up colonial buildings, produce agricultural produce, harvest rubber, etc. had to be forcefully coerced. Individuals who refused were simply rounded up, beaten then forced into work gangs. This was the case in the French controlled part of West Africa.
The British were quite brutal in the territories they controlled[ Lugard, for example, slaughtered 3,000 unruly labourers one afternoon in Nigeria. Just keeping the slaves in check--so as to encourage the others]. But the Brits devised the clever paln of ensuring slave labour for the economics of the colonial enterprise by imposing the so-called "hut tax". Each African dwelling had to pay a tax to prevent being burnt down-so the males of the village were forced to work at heavy colonial labour tasks to earn the money necessary to pay the tax. No place to run so slavery by another name was imposed. Here are there there were revolts--as with slavery in the Americas--as in the case of Bai Burreh of Sierra Leone who revolted against the enforced hut tax collections.
So those who know the history will no doubt that the Europeans practiced slavery on both sides of the Atlantic--and the vast majority of blacks/Africans are descendants of slaves. But to a large extent this history of the African continent is mainly kept quiet. It's only in North Africa and places like Zanzibar are Africans reminded with insults about slavery. But ironically North African descendants of white harem slaves and other kidnapped Europeans are enraged when they are informed of such by Africans.
In all of this the African community world-wide does face very serious challenges much of which are the makings of thsoe in leadership positions. They behave a nd think like mental slaves when it comes to the West. And they brutally oppress their populations as if they were slaves.
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quote:Originally posted by lamin: Just interesting. I have heard and read all the above cultural ad hominems may times. It all boils down to psychological immaturity--nothing more.
Yet curiously enough such kinds of arguments are never heard among other groups. In the case of the Americas, Native Americans of South America and Mexico were actual slaves owned by Spaniards until Spanish priest, Bartolomo de las Casas argued for them to be released from slavery and Africans substituted instead. Yet I have never heard of Native Americans making such accusations against the Native Americans of Mexico and South America.
The folk history of the Jews begins in a slavery that they proudly proclaim because they were rescued and led to a free land of "milk and honey" by their Deity. The Jews were also slaves in Nazi concentration camps which they freely talk about but I am yet to hear a Jew from Russia or Europe or West Asia decry those Jews for having such an experience. They would be quickly excommunicated from the "tribe". Many living Italians and Greeks are descendants of slaves held during classical times but that's not a point of distinction in those societies.
In actual historical fact the Europeans did actually practise "chattel slavery--i.e. actual property rights over individuals--in parts of Africa such as Cape Verde, Angola, Sao Tome e Principe, Mozambique, Mauritius, Reunion, South Africa[slaves were recruited from West Africa, Angola and the Congo until they were replaced by South Asians brought in as indentured labourers].
The concept of "slave" is easily unpacked. It maeans that the individual has no subjective power to dispose of himself or herself as he or she sees fit. One is fully under the control of another.
In precolonial Africa--as in pre-modern Europe--labour especially in the larger population units was mostly unfree. Recall Mansa Musa taking thousands of slaves on his pilgrimage to Macca. In fact, much of humanity was unfree--whether serf, bondsman, villein or slave--until the modern era when machines began to replace labour.
During the colonial era there was indeed the enslavement of the African by the European because it was done in situ as was the case of the Congo and South Africa. Thus there was no need to buy or sell slaves except in the Portugese held territories especially.
Each colonial power had huge reservoirs of labour in the territories it controlled. In fact, one could easily say that such controlled labour was "colonial slavery" in the sense that the labour necessary to build roads, dig mines, put up colonial buildings, produce agricultural produce, harvest rubber, etc. had to be forcefully coerced. Individuals who refused were simply rounded up, beaten then forced into work gangs. This was the case in the French controlled part of West Africa.
The British were quite brutal in the territories they controlled[ Lugard, for example, slaughtered 3,000 unruly labourers one afternoon in Nigeria. Just keeping the slaves in check--so as to encourage the others]. But the Brits devised the clever paln of ensuring slave labour for the economics of the colonial enterprise by imposing the so-called "hut tax". Each African dwelling had to pay a tax to prevent being burnt down-so the males of the village were forced to work at heavy colonial labour tasks to earn the money necessary to pay the tax. No place to run so slavery by another name was imposed. Here are there there were revolts--as with slavery in the Americas--as in the case of Bai Burreh of Sierra Leone who revolted against the enforced hut tax collections.
So those who know the history will no doubt that the Europeans practiced slavery on both sides of the Atlantic--and the vast majority of blacks/Africans are descendants of slaves. But to a large extent this history of the African continent is mainly kept quiet. It's only in North Africa and places like Zanzibar are Africans reminded with insults about slavery. But ironically North African descendants of white harem slaves and other kidnapped Europeans are enraged when they are informed of such by Africans.
In all of this the African community world-wide does face very serious challenges much of which are the makings of thsoe in leadership positions. They behave a nd think like mental slaves when it comes to the West. And they brutally oppress their populations as if they were slaves.
This entire post of yours is based off of non facts/ assumptions. These assumptions I would assume are then based off of your emotions because they have no historical accuracy to them.
Sit down and actually talk to a Ashkenazi and see what they think about Shephardics and vice versa. Ask a desi from India what he thinks about a desi from Trinidad. I am a muslim and have spent a LOT of time amongst both groups. I assure you, they do not like each other. The indian desi feels the desi from the west indies (who arrived their via slavery and in other cases indentured servitude) doesn't know the culture and has nothing to do with those on the mother land. I have been in Masajid (mosques) and heard Indian Desis tell Desis from The Carribean they are not true Muslims or "desis" for that matter. And I watched as the "aunties" from India shook their heads in agreement. The Carribean desis were in tears. So sir, you're terribly misinformed.
As for the Hebrew deity bringing them to a "land of milk and honey" that entire story is a fallacy and as such can't be used to really prove or disprove your point.
Lets extract the slavery component and look at separated groups i.e. Mexicans in mexico and how they view Mexicans in the states (they don't like them) thats a fact. You also find this between Puerto Ricans and their New Yorican counter parts. Africans (including the diaspora) are no different in this regard. People like yourself make these assumptions based off of your singular view.
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My post was not about what you wrote. My post was about the psychological immaturity of blacks on both sides of the Atlantic concerning matters that other groups hardly harp on especially during a critical period.
My point about the Jews is that according to their folklore-- which carries with it certain rituals that they habitually practice--they were enslaved in Egypt and under the leadership of one foundling Hebrew called Moses[ note the subtext about Moses which states that no matter how much you owe the non-Jew or Goyim your first obligations are to the Jews] they, with the overwhelming help of their God, were able to escape Egypt to go to freedom in the land of "milk and honey" which their God set aside for them--as the chosen people. Whether true or not is the besides the point. That's what the whole idea of Jewry is founded on.
The Jews claim that they were persecuted throughout history and that the culmination point came when the Nazis--as they claim--murdered and enslaved them in concentration camps. My point is that all Jews whether Sephardic, Ashkenazi or otherwise regard the Nazi experience as a sacred Shoah moment that applies to all Jews. Thus--and I have heard Jews say this--the murder and enslavement of a single Jew in the Nazi camps, was the murder and enslavement of all Jews. Yet blacks carry on stupidly--and in all historical ignorance--about who was enslaved and who was not. When the sad truth is that most blacks whether in Africa or outside descend from slaves, and those who did not are family related to those who were enslaved.
I mentioned that the Spaniards actually enslaved the Native Americans for 100 years to the point of overwork and death until Bartolmo de las Casas, a Spanish priest wanted to save them for Christianity. He recommended to the Pope and prelates of Spain that Africans would serve the purpose better. But for Navajos, Mayans and Incas[enslaved for work in the mines], this is never a point of discussion.
That was the point of my post: blacks, on account of their psycholgical immaturity, seem to be the group that monopolises stupid talk about who is "better" than whom or who was enslaved and who was not, or who is more Muslim or Christian than the other or who is superior to whom or not--when the whole confounded group is at the bottom of the barrel in matters that count.
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My post was not about what you wrote. My post was about the psychological immaturity of blacks on both sides of the Atlantic concerning matters that other groups hardly harp on especially during a critical period.
My point about the Jews is that according to their folklore-- which carries with it certain rituals that they habitually practice--they were enslaved in Egypt and under the leadership of one foundling Hebrew called Moses[ note the subtext about Moses which states that no matter how much you owe the non-Jew or Goyim your first obligations are to the Jews] they, with the overwhelming help of their God, were able to escape Egypt to go to freedom in the land of "milk and honey" which their God set aside for them--as the chosen people. Whether true or not is the besides the point. That's what the whole idea of Jewry is founded on.
The Jews claim that they were persecuted throughout history and that the culmination point came when the Nazis--as they claim--murdered and enslaved them in concentration camps. My point is that all Jews whether Sephardic, Ashkenazi or otherwise regard the Nazi experience as a sacred Shoah moment that applies to all Jews. Thus--and I have heard Jews say this--the murder and enslavement of a single Jew in the Nazi camps, was the murder and enslavement of all Jews. Yet blacks carry on stupidly--and in all historical ignorance--about who was enslaved and who was not. When the sad truth is that most blacks whether in Africa or outside descend from slaves, and those who did not are family related to those who were enslaved.
I mentioned that the Spaniards actually enslaved the Native Americans for 100 years to the point of overwork and death until Bartolmo de las Casas, a Spanish priest wanted to save them for Christianity. He recommended to the Pope and prelates of Spain that Africans would serve the purpose better. But for Navajos, Mayans and Incas[enslaved for work in the mines], this is never a point of discussion.
That was the point of my post: blacks, on account of their psycholgical immaturity, seem to be the group that monopolises stupid talk about who is "better" than whom or who was enslaved and who was not, or who is more Muslim or Christian than the other or who is superior to whom or not--when the whole confounded group is at the bottom of the barrel in matters that count.
You should work on moving from animal state to civilized human. Your post lacks facts, it is based on your opinions, which were developed based on emotions. Basically its a instinctual response. This is what animals do. Civilized human beings form such opinions based on concrete facts, and employ abstract thought to do so. So with a better understanding of where you are coming from, I kindly excuse myself from the conversation.
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My post was not about what you wrote. My post was about the psychological immaturity of blacks on both sides of the Atlantic concerning matters that other groups hardly harp on especially during a critical period.
My point about the Jews is that according to their folklore-- which carries with it certain rituals that they habitually practice--they were enslaved in Egypt and under the leadership of one foundling Hebrew called Moses[ note the subtext about Moses which states that no matter how much you owe the non-Jew or Goyim your first obligations are to the Jews] they, with the overwhelming help of their God, were able to escape Egypt to go to freedom in the land of "milk and honey" which their God set aside for them--as the chosen people. Whether true or not is the besides the point. That's what the whole idea of Jewry is founded on.
The Jews claim that they were persecuted throughout history and that the culmination point came when the Nazis--as they claim--murdered and enslaved them in concentration camps. My point is that all Jews whether Sephardic, Ashkenazi or otherwise regard the Nazi experience as a sacred Shoah moment that applies to all Jews. Thus--and I have heard Jews say this--the murder and enslavement of a single Jew in the Nazi camps, was the murder and enslavement of all Jews. Yet blacks carry on stupidly--and in all historical ignorance--about who was enslaved and who was not. When the sad truth is that most blacks whether in Africa or outside descend from slaves, and those who did not are family related to those who were enslaved.
I mentioned that the Spaniards actually enslaved the Native Americans for 100 years to the point of overwork and death until Bartolmo de las Casas, a Spanish priest wanted to save them for Christianity. He recommended to the Pope and prelates of Spain that Africans would serve the purpose better. But for Navajos, Mayans and Incas[enslaved for work in the mines], this is never a point of discussion.
That was the point of my post: blacks, on account of their psycholgical immaturity, seem to be the group that monopolises stupid talk about who is "better" than whom or who was enslaved and who was not, or who is more Muslim or Christian than the other or who is superior to whom or not--when the whole confounded group is at the bottom of the barrel in matters that count.
^I'm feeling this post.
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quote:Originally posted by asante-Korton: Black Africans or any other blacks that are living in the USA should be showing alot more respect to AA's, if it wasn't for them you would not even be in that country
Respect, yes, but this thread is about being honest about the plagues of single mother's that are trying to raise Black children on their on.
Just listen to Tupac - Momma.
No love from my daddy cause the coward wasn't there. He passed away and I didn't cry, cause my anger wouldn't let me feel for a stranger.
Considering the obstacles put in place for African American, it is hard not to have respect. But that is not what I am referring to.
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quote:Originally posted by osirion: Didn't think you were Black myself especially with that talk about Blacks being feeble minded. I am more Black than most African Americans. I am just not American - I am English and more connected to my African ancestry and culture. Lived in Africa, traveled through African and India, and I know a thing or two.
We stand on the shoulders of Giants. Ghandi was one of these great giants.
You're a fvcking LIAR!!! Black people do not stand on the shoulders of fvcking Ghandi. Ghandi nor India hold a place in AA history or heritage. I never met a black person who gave credit to Ghandi. Black people never mention India or Ghandi in their history, legacy, or heritage. Ghandi has nothing to do with AA or the civil rights movement. The civil rights movement of the 60s was orchestrated by the government. It never was MLK idea to visit India or Ghandi; that was the U.S. government ORDERS. MLK didn't even believe in the shyt Ghandi believed and not once ever gave him credit. MLK came from a legacy of hardcore fighting black soldiers from the black community. What the fvck he needed from Ghandi. It damn sure wasn't wisdom or black issues or tolerance. No one can teach or preach black people tolerance. Black people are the most tolerant patient group this world has to offer. You keep reading those white books and listening to white people tell my people's story and your azz would get dismissed. India and Ghandi can eat the pussey of black women and suck on the dycks on black men. He nor India has a place in our history, culture, legacy, or heritage and you don't EITHER!!! Take your nonblack, mutt, Krakker, Asian, biracial, or whatever you are elsewhere. Try telling an AA to his face that the black collective of America stands on the shoulders of Ghandi and Ghandi is great and see if your azz don't get dismissed or killed. That Ghandi bullshyt probably work in Britain with those stupid inferior blacks. Try preaching that shyt in America to a black person and see if you don't get your azz handed to you. MLk before his death didn't even speak of Ghandi or gave credit to Ghandi. It is always the U.S. government or white people bringing up that Ghandi bullshyt. I have yet to hear any black historian or those who personally new MLK ever speak of Ghandi. MLK family don't even speak of Ghandi. MLK himself never spoke of Ghandi. Your azz can't be black especially when your learning of the black experience comes from the story and mouths of white people.
This is another example of a problem AAs seem to have. Assimilating other cultural ideas is seen as selling out. So to act White or another other culture is condemned. Yes, White people came to dominate the world by assimilating other cultures.
Don't throw the baby out with the bath water!
We as a people should learn from other cultures and adopt philosophies and concepts that we see as being progressive for our needs.
Its called TRADE and all great civilizations are built on it.
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quote:Originally posted by osirion: We learned civil disobedience from the Indians (Ghandi).
^Utter bullshyt. I know your azz isn't black. You are either biracial who has been disconnected from the AA experience or a biracial who is learning the AA experience. If not, you're a nonblack who is interested in learning about the black experience (nothing wrong with that). I never heard anything so despicable and disrespectful than what you wrote above. Blacks in America and worldwide have not learned anything from India or Ghandi and neither did Martin Luther King Jr. Your certainly isn't black. Keep reading those white school books that tell our story and you will get dismissed. Black people didn't learn "civil disobedience" or "civil obedience" from anyone. Black people are innately reserved and compliant and patient. You must think the civil rights movement of the 60s is the hallmark of the black American heritage and experience. It isn't. The civil rights movement of the 60s was the government idea and a government act. I never cared for you, but I absolutely have no respect for you on this forum. Nothing disgust me more than biracials and nonblacks thinking they have the answers to black people's problem and assuming any thing desirable about blacks came from outsiders or had to be learned from outsiders. You sound like a fvcking Krakker or an Asian. Blacks nor MLK didn't learn SHYT from India or Ghandi.
Didn't think you were Black myself especially with that talk about Blacks being feeble minded. I am more Black than most African Americans. I am just not American - I am English and more connected to my African ancestry and culture. Lived in Africa, traveled through African and India, and I know a thing or two.
We stand on the shoulders of Giants. Ghandi was one of these great giants.
I knew he was a racist- thanks for saving me the time of bringing that up, lol...the other tings you mentioned I didn't know...
For those who don't know:
quote: #1 - Don't let the emotion of who you believe Gandhi to be to get in the way of actual facts.
#2 - Gandhi was a Hindu. Hindus believe in the caste system which states that individuals are born into castes and this is where they live and die.
#3 - Gandhi's early struggle in south Africa was predicated on the idea that Europeans should treat Indians better than they did because the Indians were better than Blacks
#4 - Gandhi has many published quotes where he refers to South African Blacks as lazy and aimless.
#5 - His views softened somewhat as he grew older but his campaign of non-violence was for the equal treatment of Indians, not Blacks.
#6 - Just because he employed the amazing strategy of non-violence doesn't mean he advocated for everyone.
#7 - Just because everyone employed his techniques of non-violence doesn't mean he approved of them, after all most who used his techniques came almost 20 - 40 years AFTER him.
#8 - Just because he was racist doesn't negate what he has done in the world, it only reaffirms the complicated ideals that occupy the human heart.
#9 - Just because your disappointed (as I was) to find this out, doesn't mean it isn't true.
Here are words recorded in multiple locations attributed to Gandhi.
"Ours is one continued struggle against degradation sought to be inflicted upon us by the European, who desire to degrade us to the level of the raw Kaffir, whose occupation is hunting and whose sole ambition is to collect a certain number of cattle to buy a wife with, and then pass his life in indolence and nakedness."
"It is one thing to register natives who would not work, and whom it is very difficult to find out if they absent themselves, but it is another thing -and most insulting - to expect decent, hard-working, and respectable Indians, whose only fault is that they work too much, to have themselves registered and carry with them registration badges."
"Clause 200 makes provision for registration of persons belonging to uncivilized races, resident and employed within the Borough. One can understand the necessity of registration of Kaffirs who will not work, but why should registration be required for indentured Indians who have become free, and for their descendants about whom the general complaint is that they work too much?"
Even the children are taught to believe in that manner, with the result that the Indian is being dragged down to the position of a raw Kaffir1.
37. So far as the feeling has been expressed, it is to degrade the Indian to the position of the Kaffir
The British rulers take us to be so lowly and ignorant that they assume that, like the Kaffirs2 who can be pleased with toys and pins, we can also be fobbed off with trinkets.
Kaffirs are as a rule uncivilised—the convicts even more so. They are troublesome, very dirty and live almost like animals. Each ward contains nearly 50 to 60 of them. They often started rows and fought among themselves. The reader can easily imagine the plight of the poor Indian thrown into such company!
The most important reason why we should not assume that it is because of our frail physique that we are thought weak is that the Kaffirs are thought weak by the whites despite their superior physical strength. They are intellectually backward. They are unlettered and have no arts.
Here we go again - losing focus. I don't care about Ghandi what I care about is MLK. The fact that MLK was pious to read about other people in history and consider their solutions as a part of a soluation that could be used by AAs is exemplary not for GHANDI but for MLK and us in general. We should look at other cultures and consider adotion of good ideas! This is exactly what Whites have done!
Think about how many White rappers there are. How many White folks you see running around with baggy paints listening to hip hop music. Then think about how many AAs you have seen driving around listening to Beethoven or Hindi music. Why is it that there is some negative connotation for a Black person to be pious about other cultures but White people can do this all the time?
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My post was not about what you wrote. My post was about the psychological immaturity of blacks on both sides of the Atlantic concerning matters that other groups hardly harp on especially during a critical period.
My point about the Jews is that according to their folklore-- which carries with it certain rituals that they habitually practice--they were enslaved in Egypt and under the leadership of one foundling Hebrew called Moses[ note the subtext about Moses which states that no matter how much you owe the non-Jew or Goyim your first obligations are to the Jews] they, with the overwhelming help of their God, were able to escape Egypt to go to freedom in the land of "milk and honey" which their God set aside for them--as the chosen people. Whether true or not is the besides the point. That's what the whole idea of Jewry is founded on.
The Jews claim that they were persecuted throughout history and that the culmination point came when the Nazis--as they claim--murdered and enslaved them in concentration camps. My point is that all Jews whether Sephardic, Ashkenazi or otherwise regard the Nazi experience as a sacred Shoah moment that applies to all Jews. Thus--and I have heard Jews say this--the murder and enslavement of a single Jew in the Nazi camps, was the murder and enslavement of all Jews. Yet blacks carry on stupidly--and in all historical ignorance--about who was enslaved and who was not. When the sad truth is that most blacks whether in Africa or outside descend from slaves, and those who did not are family related to those who were enslaved.
I mentioned that the Spaniards actually enslaved the Native Americans for 100 years to the point of overwork and death until Bartolmo de las Casas, a Spanish priest wanted to save them for Christianity. He recommended to the Pope and prelates of Spain that Africans would serve the purpose better. But for Navajos, Mayans and Incas[enslaved for work in the mines], this is never a point of discussion.
That was the point of my post: blacks, on account of their psycholgical immaturity, seem to be the group that monopolises stupid talk about who is "better" than whom or who was enslaved and who was not, or who is more Muslim or Christian than the other or who is superior to whom or not--when the whole confounded group is at the bottom of the barrel in matters that count.
Better? The most advance Black people in the world live here in America. Look at all of the inventions done by AAs!
I am only referring to an issue that needs addressing and making no assessment of the overall status of anyone. This problem of single mother's also impacts White people significantly. I was taking one major issue and comparing what we do (Black people in general) compared to Japanese. When confronted on how Black I am, I am proud to say I am more Black that AAs but that is an attitude that is in response to a criticism that comes out more cynical and sarcastic than what should be noted by someone not a part of the thread.
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^ I am only going to try to help open your eyes on this subject of IQ one last time.
Lets take your evidence and superimpose it on your racial concepts of Caucasoid, Mongoloid, Negroid. Using the National IQ Lynn Vanhanen 2006 IQ and Global Inequality map, lets place logically the races of people that exist on that map based on facial form.
Now lets take a step back and consider your position that the True Negroid has an IQ of 70 (actually higher than West Africans really). This low IQ is due to them being Negroes according to your position. Basic problem which I think has been pointed out to you is that the Caucasoid Ethiopians, Somalians, Rwandians; essentially all of the Sub-Saharan Hamitic peoples (so called Hamitic people since all the Black Africans are Hamitic) actually score no better than the True Negroids.
CAVEAT: I am not saying that these people are Caucasoid or that Hamitic groups are just East Africans as if the rest of Africa most be non-Human or something because they couldn't have come from Adam (what racist crap). The use of the terms are simply to use the same unit of measurement that Anglo_Pyramidologist is using.
There is a simpler explanation that doesn't involve racial concepts nearly as heavily and that is Epigenetics. Simply put - good nutrition.
Are the Chinese really smarter than Europeans and everyone else or do they have many generations of people that are healthy and strong from a good healthy diet that has a lot of Omega 3 fatty acids in it?
What you eat becomes part of the chemical make up of your children. Healthier cells produce better immunity. Plus there are simply less diseases in many parts of the world resulting in a lot less birth defects.
Besides that, Ghania has an IQ of 90, Nigeria is 97, and Ethiopia is 68.
Your Hybrid theory doesn't work on IQ. Especially when we consider how much Hebrew blood there is in the Ethiopians and yet their IQ is so low. Hebrews have the highest IQ of any group; something to be proud of.
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You've been here since 2005 and you're still suckered into arguing with an obvious racist loon. Posts: 4254 | From: dasein | Registered: Jun 2009
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quote:Originally posted by osirion: ^ I am only going to try to help open your eyes on this subject of IQ one last time.
Lets take your evidence and superimpose it on your racial concepts of Caucasoid, Mongoloid, Negroid. Using the National IQ Lynn Vanhanen 2006 IQ and Global Inequality map, lets place logically the races of people that exist on that map based on facial form.
Now lets take a step back and consider your position that the True Negroid has an IQ of 70 (actually higher than West Africans really). This low IQ is due to them being Negroes according to your position. Basic problem which I think has been pointed out to you is that the Caucasoid Ethiopians, Somalians, Rwandians; essentially all of the Sub-Saharan Hamitic peoples (so called Hamitic people since all the Black Africans are Hamitic) actually score no better than the True Negroids.
CAVEAT: I am not saying that these people are Caucasoid or that Hamitic groups are just East Africans as if the rest of Africa most be non-Human or something because they couldn't have come from Adam (what racist crap). The use of the terms are simply to use the same unit of measurement that Anglo_Pyramidologist is using.
There is a simpler explanation that doesn't involve racial concepts nearly as heavily and that is Epigenetics. Simply put - good nutrition.
Are the Chinese really smarter than Europeans and everyone else or do they have many generations of people that are healthy and strong from a good healthy diet that has a lot of Omega 3 fatty acids in it?
What you eat becomes part of the chemical make up of your children. Healthier cells produce better immunity. Plus there are simply less diseases in many parts of the world resulting in a lot less birth defects.
Besides that, Ghania has an IQ of 90, Nigeria is 97, and Ethiopia is 68.
Your Hybrid theory doesn't work on IQ. Especially when we consider how much Hebrew blood there is in the Ethiopians and yet their IQ is so low. Hebrews have the highest IQ of any group; something to be proud of.
Osirion, the stats you have posted are completely wrong, excluding Ethiopia.
The IQ of Nigeria is 67 and Ghana 71 (Lynn, 2002). These stats were basically confirmed by Rindermann's more recent study (2007).
West African (Negroid) countries have the lowest IQ's worldwide, alongside the Australian Aborigines. Anything under 70, is classified as 'mentally retarded', and most West African countries are under 70, or borderline.
European Caucasoids are 100 in IQ. Only a small segment of East Asia (incl. Japan, Hongkong) are 5 points higher (105). China is not 105, nor is the rest of East Asia. So Chinese do not have higher IQ's than Europeans.
African-Americans, or American 'Blacks' are obviously higher in IQ since they are 17 - 25% European (heavily Caucasoid admixed).
True Negroids from West Africa are 70 IQ, or around there (sometimes a few points even less).
If you look at Caucasoids outside of Europe, you will see their IQ's are lower (nowhere near as low as Negroids of course), so there is no hole in the fact that East Africans have low IQ's, but are Caucasoid-Negroid admixed. I would point out East Africa is higher overall (all countries combined) than West Africa.
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You know, if he goes for the Bell Curve book which states Ashkenazi Jews have the highest IQ, I will look forward to your reply. Posts: 4254 | From: dasein | Registered: Jun 2009
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quote:Originally posted by osirion: ^ I am only going to try to help open your eyes on this subject of IQ one last time.
Lets take your evidence and superimpose it on your racial concepts of Caucasoid, Mongoloid, Negroid. Using the National IQ Lynn Vanhanen 2006 IQ and Global Inequality map, lets place logically the races of people that exist on that map based on facial form.
Now lets take a step back and consider your position that the True Negroid has an IQ of 70 (actually higher than West Africans really). This low IQ is due to them being Negroes according to your position. Basic problem which I think has been pointed out to you is that the Caucasoid Ethiopians, Somalians, Rwandians; essentially all of the Sub-Saharan Hamitic peoples (so called Hamitic people since all the Black Africans are Hamitic) actually score no better than the True Negroids.
CAVEAT: I am not saying that these people are Caucasoid or that Hamitic groups are just East Africans as if the rest of Africa most be non-Human or something because they couldn't have come from Adam (what racist crap). The use of the terms are simply to use the same unit of measurement that Anglo_Pyramidologist is using.
There is a simpler explanation that doesn't involve racial concepts nearly as heavily and that is Epigenetics. Simply put - good nutrition.
Are the Chinese really smarter than Europeans and everyone else or do they have many generations of people that are healthy and strong from a good healthy diet that has a lot of Omega 3 fatty acids in it?
What you eat becomes part of the chemical make up of your children. Healthier cells produce better immunity. Plus there are simply less diseases in many parts of the world resulting in a lot less birth defects.
Besides that, Ghania has an IQ of 90, Nigeria is 97, and Ethiopia is 68.
Your Hybrid theory doesn't work on IQ. Especially when we consider how much Hebrew blood there is in the Ethiopians and yet their IQ is so low. Hebrews have the highest IQ of any group; something to be proud of.
Osirion, the stats you have posted are completely wrong, excluding Ethiopia.
The IQ of Nigeria is 67 and Ghana 71 (Lynn, 2002). These stats were basically confirmed by Rindermann's more recent study (2007).
West African (Negroid) countries have the lowest IQ's worldwide, alongside the Australian Aborigines. Anything under 70, is classified as 'mentally retarded', and most West African countries are under 70, or borderline.
European Caucasoids are 100 in IQ. Only a small segment of East Asia (incl. Japan, Hongkong) are 5 points higher (105). China is not 105, nor is the rest of East Asia. So Chinese do not have higher IQ's than Europeans.
African-Americans, or American 'Blacks' are obviously higher in IQ since they are 17 - 25% European (heavily Caucasoid admixed).
True Negroids from West Africa are 70 IQ, or around there (sometimes a few points even less).
If you look at Caucasoids outside of Europe, you will see their IQ's are lower (nowhere near as low as Negroids of course), so there is no hole in the fact that East Africans have low IQ's, but are Caucasoid-Negroid admixed. I would point out East Africa is higher overall (all countries combined) than West Africa.
Ethiopia = 68 and West Africa = 70. I thought you said that AAs are smarter because they were admixed. If that was logical then Ethiopians should also show a higher IQ.
AAs have higher IQ because of a better diet.
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You know, if he goes for the Bell Curve book which states Ashkenazi Jews have the highest IQ, I will look forward to your reply.
Of course you do, Angelina. Being that our discussions always leave you with a boot up your ass, you just love to follow me around.
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quote:Ethiopia = 68 and West Africa = 70. I thought you said that AAs are smarter because they were admixed. If that was logical then Ethiopians should also show a higher IQ.
Ethiopians aren't admixed with European Caucasoids, but Caucasoids from Western Asia.
The IQ of Western Asian countries (80 - 90) is far lower than those of Europe (100).
African Americans have higher IQ's than pure-blooded Negroids, obviously because of their European admixture. They aren't Western Asian admixed.
Over 97% of the most important scientists and 74% of the most important artists and authors worldwide are white, almost all males, and most from only four European countries: Great Britain, Germany, France, and Italy.
Source: Murray, C. (2003). Human Accomplishment: The Pursuit of Excellence in the Arts and Sciences, 800 B.C. to 1950.HarperCollins.
The white ancestry of African-American's is overwhelmingly British, German and French.
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note: Anglo_Pyramidologist has Asperger syndrome and said so in a recent post
Asperger syndrome is named after the Austrian pediatrician Hans Asperger who, in 1944, studied and described children in his practice who lacked nonverbal communication skills, demonstrated limited empathy with their peers,
So the limited empathy aspect seems to be biological
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^ Yes. Which is pretty moronic why people have accused me of being a neo-nazi etc on this forum for my racial beliefs. If i was born in the 1930's in Germany i would have been steralised or gassed. When i was a teenager i was also rejected by most white nationalists, on the grounds i wasn't ''fit''.
My interest in race, is strickly anthropology based. Now you know i have no agenda (unlike most here).
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^ you didn't explain why Ethiopians have lower IQ than West Africans. You also haven't explained why Orientals have a higher IQ than Europeans.
I am the only one that has offered a reasonable explaination.
Seaweed and Sushi anyone?
-------------------- Across the sea of time, there can only be one of you. Make you the best one you can be. Posts: 4028 | From: NW USA | Registered: May 2005
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quote:Originally posted by osirion: AAs have higher IQ because of a better diet.
LOL! [/QB]
Not hard to have a better diet than people struggling just to find clean water on a daily basis.
Clearly Ethiopians are more Caucasoid than African Americans but have significantly lower IQ. Hybrid explanation for higher IQ is debunked. IQ is not racially based but is inherited but can be so via epigenetic channels.
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quote:Originally posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist: ^ Yes. Which is pretty moronic why people have accused me of being a neo-nazi etc on this forum for my racial beliefs. If i was born in the 1930's in Germany i would have been steralised or gassed. When i was a teenager i was also rejected by most white nationalists, on the grounds i wasn't ''fit''.
My interest in race, is strickly anthropology based. Now you know i have no agenda (unlike most here).
That would be STERILIZED AND STRICTLY
quote: i was also rejected by most white nationalists, on the grounds i wasn't ''fit''.
^ Nothing too much more to be said here, as that pretty much says it all..... Posts: 3446 | From: U.S. by way of JA by way of Africa | Registered: Jan 2010
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quote:Originally posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist: ^ Yes. Which is pretty moronic why people have accused me of being a neo-nazi etc on this forum for my racial beliefs. If i was born in the 1930's in Germany i would have been steralised or gassed. When i was a teenager i was also rejected by most white nationalists, on the grounds i wasn't ''fit''.
My interest in race, is strickly anthropology based. Now you know i have no agenda (unlike most here).
If you are concerned with anthropology why would you consider acceptance from a white nationalist group? (the BNP 1997 Manifesto thus called for Britain to be made "once again a white country" through a total repatriation programme for all ethnic minorities) -BNP believed to have about 12000 members, UK white nationalists groups are considered outside the mainstream and their commentary on anthropology is heavily influenced by a political agenda often including using old outdated research or politcially selected data. Many of the current most well known anthropolgists of today often question or do not believe in races within humans.
Further, empathy is considered an essential trait to have a civilized society, regard for human life, survival of the human species. Attempts are made to teach people with Asperger to be more empathetic. Therefore you should question yourself about coming here and saying black people are ugly, it lacks empathy. You also post photos of less attractive black people in a propagandistic Nazi sort of way which also lacks empathy. Most scientists would say beauty in general is a matter of opinion and even if you believe some racial stereotype about is true stating it shows lack of empathy and encourages conflict. people should not be looked down on and told they are inferior, whoever a person is they are dealt who they are and can't change it. Current anthtrolopolgy and forensic textbooks seldom deal with the issue of what is beautiful or not. Although people attempt research it and sell books and magazine articles the topic of beauty is generally considered outside of science or at least of superficial skin deep importants. In addition beauty comes down to individuals. If you believe that your "race" is on average more beautiful than other "races" you still may be ugly as an individual and that is what counts more. It lacks empathy to not look at each person as an individual and exclusively as a member of a "race". It also leads to a lot of unfairness and exploitation. It becomes an excuse not to look at individuals in order for certain groups of people to take advantage of society for unfairly selfish gain of that group.
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness: note: Anglo_Pyramidologist has Asperger syndrome and said so in a recent post
Asperger syndrome is named after the Austrian pediatrician Hans Asperger who, in 1944, studied and described children in his practice who lacked nonverbal communication skills, demonstrated limited empathy with their peers,
So the limited empathy aspect seems to be biological
His must be a curious case of Asperger syndrome since he specifically lack empathy only toward the "Negroids" and generally have no problems with other "-oids".
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