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Albinos are people with no pigment, Whites are people with little pigment. Albinos are pink eyed, whites are blue eyed, and albino is an hereditary condition, not a race,I have sen Albino indians, Albino blacks, and albino whites, it is a condition
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^ Wrong on all counts.
Do your research.

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meninarmer, you are our secret weapon, the ace-in-the-hole of the logical, if you will. Whenever they get totally stupid and refuse to accept the truth, even when it is demonstrated to them in pictures (how stupid do you have to be to not even understand a series of pictures). Then you come out and blow them away. Cling to White (or hopes of White) all they want, but there is still no answer to your terrible Saber-like thrust.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albinism#Types_of_human_albinism

Albinism is hereditary; it is not an infectious disease and cannot be transmitted through contact, blood transfusions, or other vectors. The principal gene which results in albinism prevents the body from making the usual amounts of the pigment melanin. Most forms of albinism are the result of the biological inheritance of genetically recessive alleles (genes) passed from both parents of an individual, though some rare forms are inherited from only one parent. There are other genetic mutations which are proven to be associated with albinism. All alterations, however, lead to changes in melanin production in the body.

Albinism was formerly categorized as tyrosinase-positive or -negative. In cases of tyrosinase-positive albinism, the enzyme tyrosinase is present. The melanocytes (pigment cells) are unable to produce melanin for any one of a variety of reasons that do not directly involve the tyrosinase enzyme. In tyrosinase-negative cases, either the tyrosinase enzyme is not produced or a nonfunctional version is produced. This classification has been rendered obsolete by recent research.

The chance of offspring with albinism resulting from the pairing of an organism with albinism and one without albinism is low, as discussed in more detail below. However, because organisms can be carriers of genes for albinism without exhibiting any traits, albinistic offspring can be produced by two non-albinistic parents. Albinism usually occurs with equal frequency in both genders.An exception to this is ocular albinism, because it is passed on to offspring through X-linked inheritance. Thus, males more frequently have ocular albinism as they do not have a second X chromosome.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albinism

Albinism (from Latin albus, "white"; see extended etymology, also called achromia, achromasia, or achromatosis) is a form of hypopigmentary congenital disorder, characterized by a partial (in hypomelanism, also known as hypomelanosis) or total (amelanism or amelanosis) lack of melanin pigment in the eyes, skin and hair (or more rarely the eyes alone). Albinism results from inheritance of recessive alleles.

Also remember that southern europeans and North Africans are pigmented whites.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_people#Origins_of_light_skin

Origins of light skin

Any mutation that produced lighter skin color would have been a severe disadvantage to those living under the bright African sun. When humans left Africa for less sun intense regions of the world, the selective pressure against lighter skin would have relaxed. This probably explains the greater variety of skin color found outside sub-Saharan Africa. Lighter skin colors may have been advantageous at higher latitudes since they allow greater penetration of the sun's UV radiation, a requirement for vitamin D synthesis. This may have led to selection for lightly pigmented skin. Scientists have identified at least 100 genes associated with pigment processing. Though African populations are relatively dark, according to a recent study they possess a greater diversity in skin complexion than all other populations. It is therefore likely that many of the alleles associated with light pigmentation were already present in an ancestral population in Africa prior to their dispersal. When humans migrated out of Africa, the lighter skin causing alleles may have accumulated in one population, either by genetic drift, natural selection, sexual selection or a combination of these effects. Since their effects are additive it is possible light skin could arise over several generations without any new mutations taking place.

A 2006 study provides evidence that the light skin pigmentation observed in Europeans and East Asians arose independently. They concluded that light pigmentation in Europeans is at least partially due to the effects of positive directional and/or sexual selection.


Molecular biology of light skin

Skin color is a quantitative trait that varies continuously on a gradient from dark to light, as it is a polygenic trait, under the influence of several genes. Many of these genes have yet to be identified, however two genes are known that do contribute to skin color, they are the MC1R and the SLC24A5 genes.The mutation resulting in the light skin version of the SLC24A5 gene has been estimated to have originated in Europe between 6,000 and 12,000 years ago, indicating that at least one of the genes responsible for pale skin colour in Europeans arose relatively recently.

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Did humans leave Africa or did the primates that later became humans leave africa? there is some dispute on this at present. The recent u of toronto study suggests that may well be the case.
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quote:
Originally posted by TheAmericanPatriot:
Did humans leave Africa or did the primates that later became humans leave africa?

The first one.
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quote:
Originally posted by TheAmericanPatriot:
Did humans leave Africa or did the primates that later became humans leave africa? there is some dispute on this at present. The recent u of toronto study suggests that may well be the case.

The latter would be called multi-reginonalism, and yes it has been proven false. I've already addressed this the last time you posted it.

Here's a little information about earliest anatomically modern humans in Africa from 200,000 years ago.

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"From the size of the preserved bones, we estimated that Omo I was tall and slender, most likely around 5'10" tall and about 155 pounds," University of New Mexico anthropologist Osbjorn Pearson, who co-authored at least two of the new papers, told Discovery News.

Pearson said another, later fossil was also recently found. It too belonged to a "moderately tall -- around 5'9" -- and slender individual."

"Taken together, the remains show that these early modern humans were...much like the people in southern Ethiopia and the southern Sudan today," Pearson said.

and of course the genetic and physical evidence to boot...


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Competing theories on the origins of anatomically modern humans claim that either humans originated from a single point in Africa and migrated across the world, or different populations independently evolved from homo erectus to home sapiens in different areas.

The Cambridge researchers studied genetic diversity of human populations around the world and measurements of over 6,000 skulls from across the globe in academic collections. Their research knocks down one of the last arguments in favour of multiple origins. The new findings show that a loss in genetic diversity the further a population is from Africa is mirrored by a loss in variation in physical attributes.

Lead researcher, Dr Andrea Manica from the University's Department of Zoology, explained:

"The origin of anatomically modern humans has been the focus of much heated debate. Our genetic research shows the further modern humans have migrated from Africa the more genetic diversity has been lost within a population.

"However, some have used skull data to argue that modern humans originated in multiple spots around the world. We have combined our genetic data with new measurements of a large sample of skulls to show definitively that modern humans originated from a single area in Sub-saharan Africa."

The research team found that genetic diversity decreased in populations the further away from Africa they were - a result of 'bottlenecks' or events that temporarily reduced populations during human migration. They then studied an exceptionally large sample of human skulls. Taking a set of measurements across all the skulls the team showed that not only was variation highest amongst the sample from south eastern Africa but that it did decrease at the same rate as the genetic data the further the skull was away from Africa.

To ensure the validity of their single origin evidence the researchers attempted to use their data to find non-African origins for modern humans. Research Dr Francois Balloux explains: "To test the alternative theory for the origin of modern humans we tried to find an additional, non-African origin. We found this just did not work. Our findings show that humans originated in a single area in Sub-Saharan Africa."


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quote:
Our genetic research shows the further modern humans have migrated from Africa the more genetic diversity has been lost within a population.

Yes this has been shown to be accurate. But it does not say anything about two already differentiated populations coming together to form a new one. Instead it says the genetic variation in both Europeans and Asians are actually subsets of the variation in the African population. [Eek!]

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quote:
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Instead it says the genetic variation in both Europeans and Asians are actually sub sets of the variation in the African population. [Eek!]

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Yes, that is a fact.
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quote:
Originally posted by Mike111:
Doug; no need to get testy, I was simply answering your claim that the non-Black, non-White people of the world, evolved to look as they do because of environmental factors. I think that I have demonstrated quite convincingly that your claim was “Somewhat” faulty.

Really? So where did these non black people come from?

The only thing you have demonstrated is an absolute dependence on racialist doctrines modeled on the theories of the racists you supposedly hate. The "if they call you an ape call them albinos" school of nonsense argument. It is nothing but immature feel good rhetoric that masks the fact you have no idea what you are talking about.

I am still waiting for you to say that "discovered" that these non blacks are the results of evil science experiments or space ships. Just like you "discovered" that whites conquered America, Africa and Asia a few hundred years ago.

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^ The truth has nothing to do with retaliation for name calling, but is validated and verified in all major world medical documentation, which in my mind, far supersedes those highly speculative and unconfirmed opinions of historians.

While it is a safe bet many of the world's people of color have adjusted their melanin densities to compensate for varying UV exposure around the globe.
It's fairly certain, European did not recently and magically turn "white", while totally losing their DNA repair mechanisms a few thousand years ago when white Albino Africans have existed thousands of years prior to this event in Africa, and also have defects in their DNA repair facilities as a direct result of the mutation.

As shown above, many whites don't even understand the many distinct levels of Albinism, and the fact that it does not just consist of a complete lost of melanin, but also several other key distinguishing characteristics which are all consistently present in two of the world's people, Albinos, and European whites.

I doubt this is any surprise to European researchers, and why none of their DNA comparison studies include African Albinos, in spite of their being genetically the closest to the European DNA structure.

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Oculocutaneous albinism 1 is caused by a mutation in a gene on chromosome 11. Most people with this type of albinism have milky white skin, white hair and blue eyes at birth. Some people with this disorder never experience changes in pigmentation, but others begin to produce melanin during childhood and adolescence. Their hair may become a golden blond or brown. Their skin usually doesn't change color, but it may tan somewhat. The irises may also change color and lose some of their translucence.

Oculocutaneous albinism 2, caused by a mutation in a gene on chromosome 15, is the most common form of the disorder worldwide. It's more common in Sub-Saharan Africans and African-Americans than in other population groups. In people of African descent, the hair is usually yellow, the eyes are blue-gray or tan, and the skin is white at birth. With sun exposure, the skin may over time develop freckles, moles or lentigines. In some cases, the skin may be light brown, and the hair may be brown, auburn, ginger or red.

In Caucasians with oculocutaneous albinism 2, the hair is usually blond, the skin white and the eyes blue at birth. The hair and eyes may darken. The skin usually develops freckles, moles or lentigines.

The rare oculocutaneous albinism 3, caused by a gene mutation on chromosome 9, has been primarily identified in black South Africans. People with this disorder usually have reddish-brown skin, ginger or reddish hair, and hazel or brown eyes.

Oculocutaneous albinism 4, caused by a gene mutation on chromosome 5, is a rare form of the disorder generally presenting signs and symptoms similar to those of type 2. Studies suggest that this type may be one of the most common forms of albinism among people of Japanese and Korean descent.
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X-linked ocular albinism. The cause of X-linked ocular albinism is a gene mutation on the X chromosome. (A woman inherits an X chromosome from each parent. A man inherits an X chromosome from his mother and a Y chromosome from his father.)

In order for a woman to have ocular albinism, she must inherit the gene mutation from both parents. A man with the disorder inherits the gene mutation from his mother. Because there's no corresponding gene on the Y chromosome, the single mutated gene on the X chromosome is sufficient to cause ocular albinism in a man.

People who have ocular albinism have the developmental and functional vision problems of albinism. But a person's skin, hair and eye color are generally in the normal range or slightly lighter for his or her family.

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What I find interesting about this site is that if you go through the slides you will see just how Bowcock and Sforza's racial divergence theories fit perfectly with both the "essentialist" as well as the "population concept". The latter sees race as local or "core" populations - a feature of Sforza's works as Keita shows. This is seen by their sample choice: Bay Area Chinese for Asian proto type, the "Forest Negro" for their African proto type and "Caucasoids of European origin" for a European proto type.

This is why Keita said, despite the fact that they show the Caucasoid as a secondary type, they still conform to the racial schema. And we can see why as the essentialist model (the next slide) sees races as being divided into primary "ideal types" represented by few isolated or "unmixed" groups e.g. Bowcock's Pygmies = True Negro and Asian = Bay Area Chinese/Mongolian) and the secondary races (their "Caucasoids of European origin") comprise of mixtures of the primary races or types.

Hence a population (a racial hybrid) arose as a consequence of two already differentiated populations.

But as the slide goes on to show, none of this fits the data.


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Dougie and PR - I hope you guys don't think that I am trying to give you a hard time. I am sure that your position that non-Black, non-White people, evolved independently of admixture; and purely as a result of environmental conditions is true.

It's just that I can't see it, maybe other people have the same problem. So here is a chance for you guys to explain it to all of us that don't understand.

Now as I understand it, people who inhabit cold areas in the north where sunlight is not so strong, their skin turns lighter over time, so as to absorb more sunlight.

I'm not sure why their facial feature also change, but maybe you will explain that also.

So lets do a test, as our test subjects, lets use Mongols, they seem to have great diversity in skin color. And as you know, I foolishly attributed that to admixture between slanty-eyed Blacks from Africa and Whites from Central Asia, (silly me).

As a reminder; latitudinally China traverses from about Arabia to Poland. Mongolia traverses from about northern Italy to Germany, but because of it's terrain and location, it is much colder (normal temp. range of -50c to +40c).

So lets begin, starting with the first picture, which is of an ancient Mongol, please explain how the other people came to look as they do without admixture.


ORIGINAL PEOPLE!

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COLD REGION!!

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COLD REGION!!


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quote:
Originally posted by TheAmericanPatriot:

Did humans leave Africa or did the primates that later became humans leave africa? there is some dispute on this at present.

It's simple: In the case of most people, the former applies. In your case, however, the latter applies. You are still going through the gradual process of attaining the human state. [Smile]
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LOL, that's quite funny since Homo Erectus began walking in Africa on 2 feet over 1.5Mya. The professor seems to have fallen a bit behind.
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quote:
Originally posted by Mike111:
[b]Dougie and PR - I hope you guys don't think that I am trying to give you a hard time. I am sure that your position that non-Black, non-White people, evolved independently of admixture; and purely as a result of environmental conditions is true.

It's just that I can't see it, maybe other people have the same problem. So here is a chance for you guys to explain it to all of us that don't understand.

Now as I understand it, people who inhabit cold areas in the north where sunlight is not so strong, their skin turns lighter over time, so as to absorb more sunlight.

I'm not sure why their facial feature also change, but maybe you will explain that also.

So lets do a test, as our test subjects, lets use Mongols, they seem to have great diversity in skin color. And as you know, I foolishly attributed that to admixture between slanty-eyed Blacks from Africa and Whites from Central Asia, (silly me).

As a reminder; latitudinally China traverses from about Arabia to Poland. Mongolia traverses from about northern Italy to Germany, but because of it's terrain and location, it is much colder (normal temp. range of -50c to +40c).

So lets begin, starting with the first picture, which is of an ancient Mongol, please explain how the other people came to look as they do without admixture.


Because skin color has nothing to do with facial features.

First Asians:

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Light skin is simply one aspect of human phenotype and skin color is not the determining factor of facial features. Otherwise you wouldn't have "Asian looking" Africans in Africa who have no Asian admixture. Otherwise how do you explain the San people?

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Basically that is the flaw with racialist thinking. It tries to pigeonhole populations into primary "types" based on phenotype, but it breaks down when the reality of true phenotype variation among people of different skin colors is observed. The idea that "pure races" based on phenotype is a strictly Western European concept and has no place in a true understanding of Africans and the origin of mankind.

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Dougie, does this mean that you're not going to answer my question about the Mongols???

If you don't, then what are we to believe, but that you are talking out of your anus.

BTW - If you would care to annotate your pictures, I might take a stab at explaining their heritage and appearance.

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Please, don't waste my time with your nonsense. There is nothing to explain. The first Asians, first Europeans, first Native Americans were all black people. All human features originate among aboriginal black populations. Period.

So unless you can show me the space ship white people and "Mongoloids" flew in on, I don't need to hear your B.S. explanations. You simply cling to white racialist nonsense because that is what you have been taught by whites and therefore that is what you believe. But this isn't strange, even the NOI was preaching similar sorts of nonsense at one point as well. But people are to truly be liberated of the white racialist methodology they must totally reject it and embrace the truth.

But you don't want to do that because you love to perpetrate the white crackers ain't nothin but alien albinos from outer space nonsense to make you feel good, while whites still continue to spread their racialist nonsense around the world. And your feel good ridiculous nonsense does nothing to stop it other than cause laughter.

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quote:
Originally posted by Mike111:
this mean that you're not going to answer my question about the Mongols???

Mike, would you be so kind as to elaborate for inquiring minds on the specific features attributed to Mongols, when they arose, and amongst what population?
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quote:
Originally posted by MindoverMatter718:
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Originally posted by Mike111:
this mean that you're not going to answer my question about the Mongols???

Mike, would you be so kind as to elaborate for inquiring minds on the specific features attributed to Mongols, when they arose, and amongst what population?
Damn mindless one, read the fuching first part of the thread.
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Damn Dougie, you and the NOI say Whites are Spacemen, and meninarmer says that they are Albinos, MindoverMatter718 says that they were Black people who woke up one morning to find that they had turned White. I AM SO CONFUSED!!
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Why would ancient African Albinos make the very wise decision to migrate to other regions.
For a very compelling reason.
Skin cancer.
30% of African Albinos die by the age of 30 from skin cancer.
As is obvious, even the children below are showing signs of skin burn, skin cancer, and eventually, melanoma. If I were a parent or husband of an Albino, I think I would take a trip to extent my children or wife's life span.
So, if any African had a compelling, life saving reason for migrating out of Africa, you can put African Albinos on the top of the list. No to mention the social dangers they faced daily.

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quote:
Originally posted by Mike111:
Damn Dougie, you and the NOI say Whites are Spacemen, and meninarmer says that they are Albinos, MindoverMatter718 says that they were Black people who woke up one morning to find that they had turned White. I AM SO CONFUSED!!

Actually you say all of that. That is why you are confused. And the reason you are confused is you are stuck on white racialist dogmatic thinking. Yes, whites as a segment of the human population have become more predominant in the world over the last 1000 years or more due to conquest, assimilation and destruction of many black populations world wide, but that does not change the fact that the first populations in all parts of the world were black and that all human features originate from these people.
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No, whites are products of Chinese and Pygmies...duh! [Roll Eyes]
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quote:
Originally posted by Doug M:
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Originally posted by Mike111:
Damn Dougie, you and the NOI say Whites are Spacemen, and meninarmer says that they are Albinos, MindoverMatter718 says that they were Black people who woke up one morning to find that they had turned White. I AM SO CONFUSED!!

Actually you say all of that. That is why you are confused. And the reason you are confused is you are stuck on white racialist dogmatic thinking. Yes, whites as a segment of the human population have become more predominant in the world over the last 1000 years or more due to conquest, assimilation and destruction of many black populations world wide, but that does not change the fact that the first populations in all parts of the world were black and that all human features originate from these people.
Dougie, That's all well and good, but what are they, and where did they come from????
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quote:
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this mean that you're not going to answer my question about the Mongols???

Mike, would you be so kind as to elaborate for inquiring minds on the specific features attributed to Mongols, when they arose, and amongst what population?
Damn mindless one, read the fuching first part of the thread.
No need to be upset and throw your little hissy fits when questioned, which actually shows your inability to answer simple questions.

So you're basically telling me you can't answer the question; right?

Nowhere in this thread was my questioned answered.

If so, please point me to the post or simply re-post it for inquiring minds, or is this asking too much of you?

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It's really quite simple and not at all as convoluted as whites would have you believe.

If you were an African Albino, and a person back migrating from Asia/Europe informed you the climate was less warm there. Would you sit and wait in Africa for this to happen to you.
Surly, African Albinos had observed the typical life span and melanoma is other Albinos to understand there are strong possibility they would undergo the same.

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Where are these people from?

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http://www.flickr.com/photos/nygus/374453537/

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http://www.flickr.com/photos/adamklaus/94270652/

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http://www.flickr.com/photos/bulgew/2198573162/in/set-72157600486844988/

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http://www.flickr.com/photos/bulgew/523097726/in/photostream/

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http://www.flickr.com/photos/8153468@N04/2244000387/


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http://www.flickr.com/photos/awdf/2615845490/

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http://www.flickr.com/photos/boaz/29809467/

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Why did you post pics of naked children?

There is no need to post children of any kind naked. Have more respect for the people in the photos.

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"Hay Hay" people "focus focus"the thread header?we all now very well that no one is going to change the minds of Marc and DR Winters about when OOA's stop being Africans,if they fit a certain phenotype.we see black people they see Africans,that aint gonna change.instead lets focus on the tangible:culture,mode of food production,artifacts,language and corbon putdatings,lets see if we can use these things to make sense or non-sense,of the thories put forth.eg; the Axumities journey to the Andes [Cool]
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Hi King i know there are sick m....fkers"out there,but the above is niether offensive or inapropprate.the fact is there are meny places in the world where kid runaruond nude.you can't mandate everyone should coverup. but i do understand your concern,about potentical child abuse. [Embarrassed]
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Hi King i know there are sick m....fkers"out there,but the above is niether offensive or inapropprate.the fact is there are meny places in the world where kid runaruond nude.you can't mandate everyone should coverup. but i do understand your concern,about potentical child abuse. [Embarrassed]

I don’t see it that way; I see King as playing the “I am a good Christian” holier than thou sh1t. And as is typical with these “Good Christian” assholes, they are “chock full of sh1t”. There was nothing indecent about that picture, but the asshole “Good Christian” saw it as an opportunity to assert moral dominance. Like the rest of us can’t decide what is indecent, we need a “Good Christian” or Good Muslim, or Good Jew, to do that for us. And of course, once we let them tell us what is right and good; then it is a short step for them to tell us what to believe. King fuch-off.
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meninarmer - Your point is well made and well taken. But I don't know if it will be necessary to post any more pictures of those poor unfortunates with melanoma. I find it heartbreaking to see the condition of those poor people.

BTW - I have seen White guys who look just like this guy.

If there is such a thing; it would be interesting to see pictures of Horn African Albinos.


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Dougie - Nice pictures; was there a point??
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That you don't know what you are talking about.

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You are running all over the map to reinforce your absurd pseudo historical features. But I will use your own logic against you.

Even if whites were albinos where did they come from? Black folks?

Therefore, whether it is due to albinism or evolution, white people come from blacks. So your absurd stance that whites are a separate species that did not come from blacks is still false. Whether through albinism or evolution, white people are the children of ancient aboriginal blacks. So again, other than trying to support your silly racialist agenda, you have no point. As an example, the albinos above have features just like the mother and father respectively, aside from the white skin and hair. Therefore, their features come from their black parents and no where else. The same goes for all populations on earth whose features also come from their ancient black parents and no place else. Albinism does not change other aspects of phenotype. It does not cause slanted eyes, it does not cause narrow noses and it does not cause thin lips. Those features have developed among black populations over many thousands of years and have nothing to do with white skin.

Simply put you feel that name calling and racialist ideologies is somehow a way to counter white supremacist nonsense, when it isn't. It is simply a form of defeatism, as you are joining those you are supposedly against and following their ideologies.

Another East African with so-called Asian features, but not from Asia:

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http://www.flickr.com/photos/boaz/55140435/

Lady from Myanmar
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/boaz/63056917/in/set-101359/

Nepal:

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http://www.flickr.com/photos/shoddyweasel/123318176/

Skin color is simply one aspect of phenotypical variation and there is nothing "special" about it that makes or defines a race.

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Damn Dougie – Just because I have a scientific curiosity about the people of the world: you know, like how they got where they are, and why they look the way they do. Does that make me a bad guy?

But that aside; meninarmers posts are getting to you, aren’t they?


Well unlike King, I don’t claim to be holier than thou:

If it is proven that Whites are really just defective Blacks; I will be laughing my ass off.

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What can I say, You have your opinion. All I can say is that I do not think I am better then anyone else. Nor do I think I am "holier than thou"(Your words).

All I know is that there is no need to show kids naked for any reason. This is poor way to get your point accross. I could take your insults and insult you back, but I am not going to lower myself to your standard.

Also Mike please show me the post I made that gave you the impression that I am "Holier than thou"(Your words).

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Mike111

What can I say, You have your opinion. All I can say is that I do not think I am better then anyone else. Nor do I think I am "holier than thou"(Your words).

All I know is that there is no need to show kids naked for any reason. This is poor way to get your point accross. I could take your insults and insult you back, but I am not going to lower myself to your standard.

Also Mike please show me the post I made that gave you the impression that I am "Holier than thou"(Your words).

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Also Mike please show me the post I made that gave you the impression that I am "Holier than thou"


This is it!!!

Beautiful children as nature (or whatever) made them, is something indecent????

Like I said, fuch-off.
You so-called “Religious” assholes are really just sickos looking for cover.

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Naked children should not be in ANY post. I live for 4 years with a girl that was abused. The sicko is people who post images of naked children as if this is really needed to prove a point.

Just to let you know. ANYONE who posts images of children that is not proper, will get messages from me. I know we have a forum that is not moderated and that is why people freely curse, insult, and post pics of naked kids. When Ausar was the moderator we had none of these things.

Again show me the post that made you say I am "Holier than Thou"(Your words).

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Again show me the post that made you say I am "Holier than Thou"

You really are too dense to get it, aren't you?

ALL of your posts SCREAM "I am Holier than Thou".


And in your sick mind, Child abuse is equated with a naked toddler. Get on line with the child abusers, you need help too.

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So now you think that Naked children is innocent?

So all the perverts online don't look at pics of naked kids?

I will NEVER allow people to post pics of children naked for any purpose. Mike please tell the forum how naked pics of kids serve a purpose in the Ancient Egypt forum.

Also like I said and will continue to say please show me a post of mine that made you say "Holier than Thou"(Your words).

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Going in circles is not my favorite pastime.

Anybody want to talk about the Inca's. Before Doug got miffed that they didn't magically grow from seed in Peru. I was about to invite theories as to when and why the Mongolized people, such as the Inca and Aztec, apparently suddenly showed up. And also, where were they before they established dominance in the Americas. Any ideas?

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Going in circles?

You made comments attacking me as being "Holier then Thou"

Then you called me a sicko. I did not respond in like manner because insults never solve anything.

I will continue to ask you how naked pics of kids serve a purpose in Ancient Egypt forum.

Also show me a post of mine, where I was acting "Holier then thou"

Remember Mike you started this by attacking me for no reason, so you should be able to come up with answers to the questions I posted.

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The sicko is the person who gets off on seeing naked pics of children, not someone who posted them with no such intent in mind. The kids I posted were naked in public in their native land. That is totally different from posting pics of kids naked taken in private who normally are clothed in public.

Like I said the sicko is the person who gets off on this sort of stuff, because in many parts of the world to this day some people still are naked/half naked for a large majority of their lifetimes in public, children most especially.

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What about those that revert to the "true negro" criteria to argue against certain Black Madonnas? Ain't that a sicko? [Roll Eyes]
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In no way am I calling you a sicko.

You are one of the most important and valuable scholars on this forum. I just wish you would use more care about the pics you use. I will always hold you and other veterans to a higher standard then others. I have learned alot from you and I wish to continue to learn. Just be careful of the pics you use.

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Slant eyes in African San

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As you can see, the diversity in Africa, cannot be put into a box. African features are the most diverse features on Gods green earth. People who try to take away from africas diversity, and say certain people look this way because of mixing with other "races" are just plain wrong.

It may take sometime, but soon rather then later

People will compare themselves to African populations instead of Africans being explained away by being compared to other ethnicities.

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