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Can scripture be trusted as Historical facts?
Well I have seen many times over people on this site, Mike 11, historians in general a lot of so called scholars love to quote every GREEK writer Herodotus, Homer, Plato no one EVER says anything about their authenticity but can they be TRUSTED?
Lets compare and lets see what manuscripts stood the test of time and are they consistent writings
There are presently 5,686 Greek manuscripts in existence today for the New Testament. If we were to compare the number of New Testament manuscripts to other ancient writings, we find that the New Testament manuscripts far outweigh the others in quantity.
New Testament 1st Cent. A.D. (A.D. 50-100) Earliest Copy -Cent. A.D. (c. A.D. 130 f.) Approximate Time Span between original & copy - less than 100 years Number of Copies-5600
2. What about Herodotus= Herodotus 480-425 B.C. Earliest Copy- A.D. 900. Approximate Time Span between original & copy - 1,300 yrs Number of Copies- 8
3. Homer (Iliad) 900 B.C Earliest Copy- 400 B.C Approximate Time Span between original & copy - 500 yrs Number of Copies-643
So question for Mike Why do you always quote Herodotus when he only had 8 copies of his work
and his work was copied in 900A.D thats 1,300 yrs in between time periods NOT RELIABLE! buddy not more reliable than HEBREW SCRIPTURE
You and alot of historians do this WHY?
Biblical Archaeology Quotes and Facts
"On the whole, however, archaeological work has unquestionably strengthened confidence in the reliability of the Scriptural record. More than one archaeologist has found his respect for the Bible increased by the experience of excavation in Palestine....Archaeology has in many cases refuted the views of modern critics. It has shown, in a number of instances, that these views rest on false assumptions and unreal, artificial schemes of historical development. This is a real contribution and not to be minimized." - Millar Burrows, Professor of Archaeology at Yale University, What Mean These Stones?, Meridian Books, New York, NY, 1956, p. 1
6. "I set out to look for truth on the borderland where Greece and Asia meet, and found it there. You may press the words of Luke in a degree beyond any other historian's and they stand the keenest scrutiny and the hardest treatment." - Sir William Ramsey (eminent archaeologists who changed his mind regarding Luke after extensive study in the field), (1915), The Bearing of Recent Discovery on the Trustworthiness of the New Testament (Grand Rapids, MI: Baker, 1975 reprint), page 89.
"It is therefore legitimate to say that, in respect of that part of the Old Testament against which the disintegrating criticism of the last half of the nineteenth century was chiefly directed, the evidence of archaeology has been to reestablish its authority and likewise to augment its value by rendering it more intelligible through a fuller knowledge of its background and setting. Archaeology has not yet said its last word, but the results already achieved confirm what faith would suggest – that the Bible can do nothing but gain from an increase in knowledge." - Sir Frederic Kenyon, a former director of the British Museum, The Bible and Archaeology (New York: Harper & Brothers, 1940), page 279
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TRUTH HITMAN - Rather than toy with you, I would prefer that you educate yourself. Then if there are still issues, we can talk from a common foundation.
This is a link to the generally accepted history of the Bible. Read it, then we can talk.
quote:Originally posted by Mike111: TRUTH HITMAN - Rather than toy with you, I would prefer that you educate yourself. Then if there are still issues, we can talk from a common foundation.
This is a link to the generally accepted history of the Bible. Read it, then we can talk.
Also here is more info for you this should give you understanding oh yes you still did not answer my question Why is Herodotus more reliable than Hebrew scripture?
About 4,000 manuscripts, in whole or in part, of the Greek New Testament are now known. These manuscripts furnish abundant evidence for determining the reading of practically the entire New Testament, while for the Gospels and most important Epistles the evidence is unprecedented for quantity and for clearness. They are usually divided into two classes: Uncial, or large hand, and Minuscule, or small hand, often called Cursive. The term "cursive" is not satisfactory, since it does not coordinate with the term "uncial," nor are so-called cursive features such as ligatures and oval forms confined to minuscule manuscripts. The uncials comprise about 140 copies extending from the fourth to the tenth centuries. The minuscules include the remaining manuscripts and fall between the ninth century and the invention of printing. Herewith is given a brief description of a few of the chief manuscripts, both uncial and minuscule, of the New Testament.
Uncials. Codex Sinaiticus (א) found by Tischendorf at St. Catherine's Monastery on Mt. Sinai and now in the Imperial Library at St. Petersburg; fourth century.
See there is a lot of info on the Authenticity of HEBREW SCRIPTURE
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quote:Originally posted by TRUTH HITMAN: These are just a few museums that own these documents it seems like "Whitey" separates these documents in different museums to hide TRUTH
1.University of Pennsylvania.NOW
2. Museo Archeologico, NOW
3. Rainer Collection, Vienna. NOW
4. University of Strassburg.NOW
5. Ryland's Library, Manchester.NOW
6. Archaeological Museum at Kieff.NOW 4th century.
7. In the Berlin Museum.NOW
8. Found at Oxyrhynchus; now in Harvard University Library.NOW
9. Florence.NOW
More info these are some of the books found
Romans 12:3-8. 6th or 7th century. Ryland's Library, Manchester.
Titus 1:11-15; 2:3-8. 3rd century. Ryland's Library, Manchester.
Hebrews 9:12-19. 4th century. Found at Oxyrhynchus.
- Revelation 1:4-7. 3rd or 4th century. Found at Oxyrhynchus.
My Question was: Who has them now, and where did they get them? What is the chain of ownership?
You answered - Oxyrhynchus.
Wiki:
Oxyrhynchus
Oxyrhynchus (/ɒksɪˈrɪŋkəs/; Greek: Ὀξύρρυγχος Oxýrrhynkhos; "sharp-nosed"; ancient Egyptian Pr-Medjed; Coptic Pemdje; modern Egyptian Arabic el-Bahnasa) is a city in Upper Egypt, located about 160 km south-southwest of Cairo, in the governorate of Al Minya. It is also an archaeological site, considered one of the most important ever discovered. For the past century, the area around Oxyrhynchus has been continually excavated, yielding an enormous collection of papyrus texts dating from the time of the Ptolemaic and Roman periods of Egyptian history. Among the texts discovered at Oxyrhynchus are plays of Menander, fragments from the Gospel of Thomas, and fragments from Euclid's Elements.
Gospel of Thomas
The Gospel According to Thomas, (or the Gospel of Thomas), is an early Christian non-canonical sayings-gospel that many scholars believe provides insight into the oral gospel traditions. It was discovered near Nag Hammadi, Egypt, in December 1945 among a group of books known as the Nag Hammadi library. The library consists of fifty-two writings that include an excerpt from Plato's Republic and gospels which state that they were written by Jesus' disciple Philip. Scholars speculate that the works were buried in response to a letter from Bishop Athanasius declaring a strict canon of Christian scripture.
Has religion caused you to take leave of your senses like KING?
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quote:Originally posted by Mike111: Hello Energy, long time no see.
The Bible as a history book for religious people, makes excellent sense.
However, the Bible as a history book for secular purposes, like anthropology, is foolish and can only lead to hard feelings.
Since this forum is about science, Bible study is not a practical endeavor here.
Hi Mike! Happy new year! May you live a long and happy life Bro.
The Bible is a religious book, yes. But what the lay person does not know is, it is also a history book - the most accurate ancient History book on record. Hence you'd find it is the favourite book for archeologists because of the historical information in it.
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