posted 25 September 2005 06:51 AM            

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your point

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That you are in denial. Specifically over the following:

* The Howells huge dataset does have some holes in it, and the Nilotic and other North East African populations constitute one of them. - Groves.

* Rightmire, in particular, has shown that these do not really fall outside the subsaharan sphere of morphology. - Groves.

You've spent almost 1 year in bitter, vulgar and obtuse denial over both of the above points that Charlie and Thought and others have related to you.

Now you sit there with a CRAP-EATING GRIN on your face and claim you have no problem with it.

You have nerve to whine about being unfairly humiliated on this forum.

You humiliate *yourself* with your childish dishonesty.

Grow up.

posted 26 September 2005 01:32 AM            

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Originally posted by Evil Euro:
Maybe a visual aid will help the Afronuts finally grasp this simple reality:

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posted 26 September 2005 06:09 AM            

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Originally posted by Ape in Denial:
* The Howells huge dataset does have some holes in it, and the Nilotic and other North East African populations constitute one of them. - Groves.

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Egyptians, Nubians and Somalis, courtesy of Brace:

posted 26 September 2005 06:43 AM            

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Holes filled

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Nope. Same data , same holes per CL Brace:
As I see it, the appearances of the Upper Nile Valley and Horn people has little if anything to do with admixtures. I have no Sahel samples in my data base. I do not even have Ethiopians.

However: Hiernaux's Elongated East Africans is a fine observation by a first-rate student of the business

Holes filled:

Now, fix the hole in your head, and you might be able to learn something.

posted 27 September 2005 06:55 AM            

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Originally posted by Babbling Ape:
Same data , same holes per CL Brace:

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Wrong. Egyptians, Nubians and Somalis are Northeast Africans. Therefore, they fill the holes that Groves was complaining about.

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However: Hiernaux's Elongated East Africans is a fine observation by a first-rate student of the business

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posted 27 September 2005 09:03 AM            

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Retarded Euro wrote:
Therefore they fill the holes that Groves was talking about.

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Desparate Dienekes flunky -> Groves refers to Rightmire as filling the holes in Howells data, leaving you unable fill the holes in your argument:

Groves:
Rightmire, in particular, has shown that these do not really fall outside the subsaharan sphere of morphology.

Likewise Brace cites Hiernaux:

I do not even have Ethiopians in my database. I would expect people like the Fulani to fall into the same general category as the Somali and Nubians in a kind of Northeast African group. Hiernaux's elongated Africans is 1st rate work.

Of course this leaves Rejected Euro up-creek-w/no-paddle doesn't it?

You're a rejected loser with nowhere to run, posting fake maps and venting mindless monkey noises out of sore loser frustration.

Face it Erroneous. You're beaten.

And, you look it....

posted 28 September 2005 06:53 AM            

How many cranial measurements did Hiernaux take to establish the racial affinities of his "Elongated Africans"? Where's his plot or dendrogram showing them all clustered together in the same group, and said group clustered with other Africans?

And add these questions:

What populations did Rightmire sample? What's their main genetic make-up -- E3b or E(xE3b), A and B? How many cranial measurements did he take to establish their Sub-Saharan affinities? Where's his plot or dendrogram showing where they cluster?

posted 28 September 2005 10:21 AM            

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Euroloser writes: Please answer the questions

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Please remove your head from Dienekes rear end, and then clean the crap out of your ears. Maybe you'll start to hear better.

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Stupid Euro repeats questions that have been answered already:

What populations did Rightmire sample?

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Please stop posting fake maps and read the following....

New studies of post-Pleistocene human skeletal remains from the Rift Valley, Kenya.

Prehistoric human crania from Bromhead's Site, Willey's Kopje, Makalia Burial Site, Nakuru, and other localities in the Eastern Rift Valley of Kenya are reassessed using measurements and a multivariate statistical approach. Materials available for comparison include series of Bushman and Hottentot crania. South and East Africans, and Egyptians. Up to 34 cranial measurements taken on these series are utilized to construct three multiple discriminant frameworks, each of which can assign modern individuals to a correct group with considerable accuracy. The term Nilotic Negro is best applied to early Rift Valley populations.
- RightMire GP.

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DumbEuro writes:
How many cranial measurements did Hiernaux take to establish the racial affinities of his "Elongated Africans"? Where's his plot or dendrogram showing them all clustered together in the same group, and said group clustered with other Africans?

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Please stop destorting. Hiernaux does not assess "race" based on skull metrics.

The anthropological analysis of a population in terms of the individual “racial types,” rests on an entirely unjustified theoretical basis and is to be completely rejected as a misleading fallacy. - Jean Hiernaux.

He has assessed biological affinities based on over 30 skeletal, and physical measurments from dozens of African populations.

Hiernaux has made a more comprehensive study of Africa and her peoples than Brace and Groves combined and his data has been published in peer review literature and is cited in current bioanthropology and genetic studies.


* Physical Anthropology of the Living Populations of the Sahara.

* The analysis of multivariate biological distances between human populations: principles, and applications to sub-Saharan Africa.

* Numerical taxonomy of man: an application to a set of thirty-two African populations.

* The People of Africa.
- Jean Hiernaux.

....the above are repleat with tables, data and maps.

The real question is: Have *you* read *any* of his work? If not, "please do".

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Dumb Euro writes; What's their main genetic make-up

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Please refrain from non-sequiturs - the specific issue at hand is the holes in Howells skeletal database and how the work of Hiernaux and Rightmire is specifically cited by Brace and Groves as addressing those holes.

Genetic data for African populations has been presented throughout these conversations including direct response from PA Underhill, Kivisild et al.

Underhill's response directly rejects your attempt to equate Y chromosome with bone morphology. Your response to real geneticists is to spam phony maps and pictures.....sheer lunacy.

Since you never have any answer to either geneticists or physical anthropologists, why are you wasting our time?

Since you won't answer, I will:

You are just a bitter rejected loser, a liar and a coward repeating questions which have already been answered because you can't face the truth.

East Africans modern and prehistoric are Black....Greeks have ancestry from these Black Africans.

Please get over it.

posted 29 September 2005 07:35 AM            

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Originally posted by Babbling Ape:
Bromhead's Site, Willey's Kopje, Makalia Burial Site, Nakuru, and other localities in the Eastern Rift Valley of Kenya

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Are we talking about Kenyans, dummy? Are we discussing the Howells-Rightmire controversy? No, we're not. We're talking about Northeast Africans (Somalis, Nubians etc.). And Brace has proven that they do in fact "fall outside the subsaharan sphere of morphology".

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Nilotic Negro

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What's a "Negro"? I thought you said race didn't exist and racial terminology was pseudo-science.

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....the above are repleat with tables, data and maps.

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Three titles and a link to an order form don't constitute evidence. Post a craniometric plot or dendrogam in which "elongated" people from East and West Africa cluster together, and both cluster with non-"elongated" sub-Saharan Africans. Then provide genetic data showing that they're respectively East and West African, without any significant admixture from other parts of Africa.

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Underhill's response directly rejects your attempt to equate Y chromosome with bone morphology.

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Which brings us back to your contradiction, and the question that you can't answer . . .

Question:

Are Greeks "racially mixed" because of their E3b Y-chromosomes as you've claimed many times, or are Y-chromosomes unconnected to race and morphology as you claimed with the Lemba?

Or, we can try it this way:

Do you accept Underhill's statement that "There are no known genes on the Y that dictate bone morphology", or do you continue to maintain that so-called "negroid traits" in Levantines and Greeks are the result of their E3b Y-chromosomes?

posted 29 September 2005 08:16 AM            

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Has DumbEuro read *any* of the cited authors and studies?

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No, you haven't.

So your mindless monkey jabbering can't save you.

You can't even answer the question. Loser.

You look silly right now.

posted 29 September 2005 03:04 PM            

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ginzo pussy:
...And Brace has proven that they do in fact "fall outside the subsaharan sphere of morphology".

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loony toon wop and Brace don't live on the same planet; ginney is oustide the sphere of planet earth

The proof...

Brace:

"You [Charlie_Bass] have hit the nail right on the head. No, **I** [Brace] certainly to not see those elongate east Africans as **"caucasoid"** and they do indeed make a case for microevolutionary change **in situ.** [i.e., in sub-Saharn Africa]"