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rasol Member Posts: 4202 |
posted 05 September 2005 12:30 PM
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quote: If you don't know, then SHUT UP, FOOL! Don't try and distort. That's the kind of idiot behavior that got you into this mess in the first place.
quote: That citation has been posted on this forum several times - I simply cut and pasted it, again. Only a retarded child uses "i didn't know" as an excuse for not being able to understand something it's been told over and over again.
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Super car Member Posts: 1691 |
posted 05 September 2005 01:21 PM
quote: So, ginzo pansy, you are on record admitting that this nonesense doesn't actually address...
...but supposedly an off-point ginney gibber meant to be forwarded as a "question". Bravo, little ginzo ape, for stripping yourself before all, as one truely pussified milksop; you couldn't have done a better a job.---a round of applause--- [This message has been edited by Super car (edited 05 September 2005).] IP: Logged |
Calypso Member Posts: 49 |
posted 05 September 2005 06:04 PM
quote: I don't know if this is a relevant point in the debate but the bolded statement, in conjunction with the craniometric map, does not seem to lend credence to a caucasoid East African scenario.
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rasol Member Posts: 4202 |
posted 05 September 2005 08:04 PM
quote: Good catch. And this one of dozens of Erroneous Euro contradictions was noted in an earlier conversation:
quote: This cranial [only] map by Brace makes so called Sub-saharans closer to Australio-Melanesians [also oddly lumped together], in terms of skull shape than NorthWest Europeans are to Swedes. By defintion this would make the Blacks of Africa, Australia, and Melanesia the most like the orignal OOA population and the Europeans....the least like them. Of course, we already know this to be the case.... quote: ....
quote: His chart spams contradict one another and they all contradict him. The red eyed blind albino monkey is the only one who can't see that. And that's why he was forced to.... [This message has been edited by rasol (edited 05 September 2005).] [This message has been edited by rasol (edited 05 September 2005).] IP: Logged |
rasol Member Posts: 4202 |
posted 05 September 2005 08:14 PM
Since we are discussing Brace, let's not forget the following....pertaining HertoMan of Ethiopia [150kya], Brace also found it to be most like modern East Africans, and least like Europeans. So much so, that he speculates the European morphology may be the result of some admixture with Neanderthal: That splendid Ethiopian specimen is a good candidate for being an ancestor of Ethiopians, but not Europeans. IP: Logged |
Calypso Member Posts: 49 |
posted 05 September 2005 09:04 PM
quote: The evidence against a "caucasian" presence in pre-historic East Africa seems truly overwhelming. Keep on bringing the truth, which, as you pointed out at another time, is the important thing. The spectacle of seeing a Nazi zealot getting a merciless mind whipping, although enjoyable, is but a side-show. IP: Logged |
Thought2 Member Posts: 1915 |
posted 05 September 2005 11:19 PM
quote: His chart spams contradict one another and they all contradict him. The red eyed blind albino monkey is the only one who can't see that. And that's why he was forced to.... [/B][/QUOTE] Thought Writes: These are all great examples Rasol. The so-called **GENERALIZED** morphology is nothing more than a euphimism for the range of ancestral AND modern Black African phenotypic morphologies. In fact the term generalized means undifferentiated. Until recently the people of Australia were known as "Blacks". In the U.K. East Indians are still known as Blacks. The ancient Greeks recognized the eastern and the western Ethiopians. The mtDNA lineage M unites tropical African and Asian people from Guinea-Bissau to the Andaman Islands. The cranial remains of pre-mesolithic Egypt (the region that humans used to migrate out of Africa) have cranial and dental affinities with modern Sub-Saharan Africans, as do modern Andaman Islanders (the proto-Asian types). All of this is consistent with Black people being the first people to inhabit the earth. Relativism is being utilized to create a superficial disassociation between the **GENERALIZED** paleolithic remains found in Africa, Asia, the Americas and early Europe. Superficial variations are blown out of proportion in Africa or when it is related to Black people. But when we discover variation through time in Europe a call for continuity is made: Thought Posts: Ancient Germans weren't so fair The research was presented today at an international ancient DNA conference in Brisbane, Australia, by German anthropologist, Dr Diane Schmidt of the University of Göttingen. She said her research may also help to identify modern day murderers and their victims. "Three thousand years ago, nobody was doing painting and there was no photography. We do not know what people looked like," Schmidt told ABC Science Online. She said most images in museums and books were derived from comparisons with living people from the same regions. "For example, when we make a reconstruction of people from Africa we think that they had dark skin or dark hair," she said. "But there's no real scientific information. It's just a guess. It's mostly imagination." She said this had meant, for example, that the reconstruction of Neanderthals had changed over time. "In the 1920s, the Neanderthals were reconstructed as wild people with dark hair and dumb, not really clever," she said. "Today, with the same fossil record, with the same bones and no other information - just a change in ideology - you see reconstructions of people with blue eyes and quite light skin colour, looking intelligent and using tools. "Most of the reconstructions you see in museums are a thing of the imagination of the reconstructor. Our goal is to make this reconstruction less subjective and give them an objective basis with scientific data." Genetic markers for hair colour In research for her recently completed PhD, Schmidt built on research from the fields of dermatology and skin cancer that have found genetic markers for traits such as skin and hair colour in modern humans. In particular, Schmidt relied on the fact that different mutations (known as single nucleotide polymorphisms, or SNPs) in the melanocortin receptor 1 gene are responsible for skin and hair colour. She extracted DNA from ancient human bones as old as 3000 years old from three different locations in Germany and looked for these SNPs. Her findings suggest that red hair and fair skin was very uncommon among ancient Germans. Out of a total of 26 people analysed, Schmidt found only one person with red hair and fair skin, a man from the Middle Ages. All the other people had more UV-tolerant skin that tans easily. She said she was excited when she "coloured in" the faces that once covered the skulls, and had even developed "a kind of a personal relationship" with one of them. "It's not so anonymous," she said. "I think this is the reason why people in museums can do reconstruction because our ancestors are not so anonymous any more; they have a face you can look into." Unfortunately the genetic markers Schmidt used could not distinguish which of the ancient humans had blond versus black hair, and she could not determine eye colour. But, she said she was confident that this will be possible in a few years. Schmidt said that such research could also be used to help build up identikit pictures to help identify skeletons or criminals. The research has been submitted for publication. IP: Logged |
Evil Euro Member Posts: 745 |
posted 06 September 2005 06:43 AM
quote: I've already "answered" that by agreeing with it. Now where are your answers for this: Well, if you don't like either explanation, then the onus is on you to provide an alternative theory to account for Brace's plot. If Somalis are neither mixed with Eurasians nor descended from Eurasian-like East Africans, then how do you explain their cranial alignment near Eurasian groups?
quote: Don't post off-topic. Now quit stalling and get some answers, nig: Well, if you don't like either explanation, then the onus is on you to provide an alternative theory to account for Brace's plot. If Somalis are neither mixed with Eurasians nor descended from Eurasian-like East Africans, then how do you explain their cranial alignment near Eurasian groups?
quote: "There are implications for the origins of modern races, too. Herto (and Jebel Irhoud) are H. sapiens, but with primitive features. They are not, racially speaking, Africans. The later Omo and Klasies remains are more modern, but they too are archaic, and certainly show no traces of the features that characterise any modern races. Only Qafzeh and Skhul seem to lack these primitive features, and rate as 'generalised modern humans'. Our species seems to have existed as an entity long, long before it began to spread outside Africa or the Middle East, let alone split into geographic races." (Colin Groves) [This message has been edited by Evil Euro (edited 06 September 2005).] IP: Logged |
rasol Member Posts: 4202 |
posted 06 September 2005 11:22 AM
quote: Exactly, the point is to share knowledge with the real people. SillyEuro is just someone to beat up on while we're learning. IP: Logged |
Charlie_Bass Member Posts: 88 |
posted 06 September 2005 01:54 PM
Repeating spammer wrote:
quote: Try seeing what Brace wrote you stupid, stubborn trolling moron. I already answered this question with Brace's e-mail reply. Supply a source that says they're Eurasian like, who the hell are you that we should take your biased interpretation of anything? IP: Logged |
Super car Member Posts: 1691 |
posted 06 September 2005 01:58 PM
quote: A "nobody" mook, who gets no attention elsewhere, but of course,...Egyptsearch! IP: Logged |
Evil Euro Member Posts: 745 |
posted 07 September 2005 06:59 AM
quote: How is that possible when I asked the question after you posted the e-mail reply?
quote: The source is Brace himself, you blind ape:
So I repeat: If Somalis are neither mixed with Eurasians nor descended from Eurasian-like East Africans, then how do you explain their cranial alignment near Eurasian groups? [This message has been edited by Evil Euro (edited 07 September 2005).] IP: Logged |
rasol Member Posts: 4202 |
posted 07 September 2005 07:18 AM
quote: Correction....mindless repetition of question Brace has already answered.
quote: Brace has already answered this:
quote: Brace has already answered this:
Brace has answered your questions very clearly, you are simply in denial because he rejected your view. You are behaving exactly as all rejected losers do. If pretending that Brace has not answered your question is the best you can do, then you are truly a sick puppy. [This message has been edited by rasol (edited 07 September 2005).] IP: Logged |
Charlie_Bass Member Posts: 88 |
posted 07 September 2005 01:00 PM
quote: Look I'm posting my final words on this, either you're going to post a direct quote from Brace himself that states they're Eurasian like or shut up. You're making a fool out of yourself misrepresenting his views when he states exactly what he considers them to be. He agreed with the Elongated East African classification by Hiernaux so what the hell are you begging the question for? You're not an anthropologist and you look like a fool arguing against the words of the anthropologist himself and his study. Who are you to overrule him? IP: Logged |
Super car Member Posts: 1691 |
posted 07 September 2005 01:43 PM
quote: That should be the only way to go with a ginzo crackpot; don't expect anything less or more than a "direct quote" from the author, along with the **full context** in which the "direct quote" was placed...all in the **exact words** of the author. Don't rely on 'inferences' made by the blind mimicking crackpot. IP: Logged |
Evil Euro Member Posts: 745 |
posted 08 September 2005 06:48 AM
quote: What he "would expect" is not what actually is. His hypothesis has yet to be tested. The Fulanis I've seen, like Bantu Tutsis, don't resemble E3b-carrying East Africans very much. Still, they're a nomadic Islamic tribe from the southern Sahara, so the possibility of Arab/Berber admixture can't be ruled out.
quote: ...who are also intermediate between Sub-Saharan Africans and Eurasians in Brace's plot. IP: Logged |
rasol Member Posts: 4202 |
posted 08 September 2005 07:23 AM
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quote: Wrong. It has been tested by Jean Hiernaux, Philip Rightmire, Keita, Zakrezewski, Brace and others. quote: Your non scientific observations are worthless. Intstead of whining to us because Brace has shattered your racist fantasies, write Brace yourself and dispute his observations - with your Erroneous antics, if you think you can. In fact, we know you won't because you're afraid he will either reject you, again...or simply ignore you.
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quote: No, since Somali are sub-saharan Africans and group with others who are similar in morphology, per Brace and Hiernaux and Rightmire and Keita and Vogel. So, back to sucking on fellow pseudo Dienekes Pontikos - your only source of "support". [This message has been edited by rasol (edited 08 September 2005).] IP: Logged |
Evil Euro Member Posts: 745 |
posted 09 September 2005 07:07 AM
Where's the craniometric map with Fulanis plotted on it? Where are the mtDNA and Y-chromosome studies about Fulanis? Until we have such data before us, every claim about that group's ancestral and morphological affinities is pure conjecture, as Brace himself is aware: "I would expect people like the Fulani to fall into the same general category . . ." IP: Logged |
rasol Member Posts: 4202 |
posted 09 September 2005 07:36 AM
quote: Brace draws his conclusions based upon his cranial study of Somali and Nubians. which he states is concordant with Hiernaux's skeletal study of Somali and other elongated Africans, and concurs with the data from Dr. Shomarka Keita, Dr. Sonia Zakrezewski et. al.. Fulani DNA has been studied by Cruciani and others. Not Brace's fault you're both stupid and unaware, of the basic facts necessary to engage in a serious conversation. So Brace ignores you. We continue to use you. Take it....like the loser you are.
Tutsi of Rwanda: [color=green] [This message has been edited by rasol (edited 09 September 2005).] IP: Logged |
leba Member Posts: 113 |
posted 09 September 2005 10:12 AM
quote: Have you ever seen the president of Somalia? He looks like a white Nordic guy with brown skin..
This somali man also looks white/European but with dark skin.
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osirion Member Posts: 658 |
posted 09 September 2005 11:50 AM
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Evil Euro Member Posts: 745 |
posted 10 September 2005 07:00 AM
quote: Translation: You can't produce any of the requested data. What a surprise.
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rasol Member Posts: 4202 |
posted 10 September 2005 01:01 PM
translation: Erroneous Euro is beaten and bitter. No surpise at all. Skeletal data from Jean Hiernaux:
Tutsi of Rwanda: [color=green]
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Super car Member Posts: 1691 |
posted 10 September 2005 05:55 PM
quote: Back to the business of Brace's merciless rejection of the poor unconscious troll, forcing it to 'temporarily' retract from the futile attribution of indigenous sub-Sahara East African morphology to admixture! Is it any wonder then, that ginney hasn't delivered the requested direct Brace citation on "Eurasian like"? IP: Logged |
Djehuti Member Posts: 1471 |
posted 10 September 2005 06:27 PM
quote: but what's the point?? Stupid-Euro has been beaten and broken so many times, yet the idiot is too stupid to know it, or at least denies it!! IP: Logged |
Charlie_Bass Member Posts: 88 |
posted 11 September 2005 05:28 AM
quote: Requested data shoved in your face: Am. J. Hum. Genet., 74:1014-1022, 2004 Fulbe Nigeria: E(xE3b)100%, E-M81: 0% Fulbe Niger: E(xE3b) 71.4%, E-81: 0% IP: Logged |
Evil Euro Member Posts: 745 |
posted 11 September 2005 06:31 AM
quote: Which doesn't include the Fulani, meaning that you still can't produce any of the requested data. What a surprise.
quote: What's the other 30%? What about mtDNA? What about a craniometric plot? IP: Logged |
rasol Member Posts: 4202 |
posted 11 September 2005 10:14 AM
quote: CB: Don't let RetardedEuro bait you into supplying him with ever more data. It's just another way of stalling, changing the subject and setting the basis for new monkeyshines from him. Same with Dienekes by the way. Don't try and prove anything TO THEM. And NEVER accept their distorted terms of argument for the purpose of 'showing them', anything. Propagandists only goal is to distort information. Sometimes you argue as if you're trying to change THEIR minds. The objective is merely to prevent them from poluting the public water supply. ie - to shut them down. You've done a great job of that, and the reply from Brace was very helpful. Thanks. [This message has been edited by rasol (edited 11 September 2005).] IP: Logged |
Evil Euro Member Posts: 745 |
posted 12 September 2005 06:49 AM
quote: Translation: CB: I know you don't have the data we need, and neither to I, so I'll try to stall and change the subject, and maybe Evil Euro won't notice.
quote: Translation: The objective is to prevent the truth from reaching the public -- i.e. to shut down whoever exposes our Afrocentric agendas.
quote: Translation: I have no answers for what Brace actually says, so I'll just ignore it. IP: Logged |
rasol Member Posts: 4202 |
posted 12 September 2005 06:51 AM
Translation: You're a loser. Dead Argument, Move along. [This message has been edited by rasol (edited 12 September 2005).] IP: Logged |
COBRA Member Posts: 282 |
posted 12 September 2005 08:47 AM
I am quite disapointed with your behavour rasol....can't you find outer suitable images to use. Or are you taking the same line as Orison and calling as savage. 16 Americans Died and 300 Somalies died on that night. IP: Logged |
rasol Member Posts: 4202 |
posted 12 September 2005 09:03 AM
The image suits Erroneous to a "T", since he is a dead troll and beating a dead troll is all we're doing here. And...didn't you post an image of the US Soldier attacking the Somali civilian, in order to ridicule a Somali on this forum? I found that far more offensive. Check yourself. IP: Logged |
COBRA Member Posts: 282 |
posted 12 September 2005 09:07 AM
NO......MUTALATED BODIES THERE..... IP: Logged |
Horemheb Member Posts: 2508 |
posted 12 September 2005 09:08 AM
What you see in rasol's picture is a dead American and about 20 people who have an average IQ of 60....literally. IP: Logged |
rasol Member Posts: 4202 |
posted 12 September 2005 09:16 AM
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quote: translation: Yes......he did. check yourself, you phony. [This message has been edited by rasol (edited 12 September 2005).] IP: Logged |
COBRA Member Posts: 282 |
posted 12 September 2005 09:24 AM
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leba Member Posts: 113 |
posted 12 September 2005 11:05 AM
Look at these fucking Afro-Centric losers. Fucking Bantu ape(Rasol) And that Semitic Jew Bastard (Osiron). This is why I hate their kind! [This message has been edited by leba (edited 12 September 2005).] IP: Logged |
rasol Member Posts: 4202 |
posted 12 September 2005 11:24 AM
quote: Your hate, your problem. IP: Logged |
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