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Evil Euro Member Posts: 632 |
posted 11 August 2005 08:17 AM
This study demonstrates that Somalis are paternally unrelated to Sub-Saharan Africans, and have very little Eurasian admixture. Yet they're still found to be closely related to Eurasians, a fact that's attributed to their predominant East African component (i.e. E3b):
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yazid904 Member Posts: 103 |
posted 11 August 2005 11:33 AM
euro, Would it be better to say that E3b in Europe has become to be associated with European? Just a tort! IP: Logged |
Djehuti Member Posts: 1399 |
posted 11 August 2005 09:39 PM
*sigh* Here we go again, with the same sh**!
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quote: How can Somalis be paternally unrelated to Sub-Saharan Africans if according to your last statement they have "predominant East African component (i.e. E3b)"?? Apparently your dumbass doesn't know or tries hard to deny the undeniable fact that East Africa is in Sub-Sahara, and that E3b is sister to E3a: quote: considering that the whole E clade [including E3(a & b)] originated in Africa!!
Speaking of which, how come you never answered Shirani's thread?? But getting back to your contradicting statements, you say that Somalis have very little Eurasian admixture, which is true, yet you ay they are closely related to Eurasians. And you attribute that to E3b! As shown above E3b is of Sub-Saharan origin, which means those Eurasians who have it have Sub-Saharan African ancestry, not the other way around!! And stop trying to distort Tishkoff by partially quoting her! She also said: quote: Why? Because humans have lived in Africa longer than anywhere else. She also said: quote: Sub-Saharans are genetically diverse and Northeast Africans are merely a subset of them and OOAs are a subset of Northeast Africans. This explains their 'intermediate' place of Northeast Africans genetically. All of this is irrelavent to E3b, since E3b is not an OOA haplotype anyway!! E3b originated from the PN2 transition that happened long after OOA. Oh, and the high genetic diversity of Africans as well as some Northeast Africans' intermediacy with OOAs does NOT mean that there is little genetic relativity between them and other Africans. Unlike Eurasia, where genetic drift and isolation occured more frequently and in longer periods, Africans have had constant genetic flow. Which is why, despite the high degree of variablity, Africans still share common clades like those of that are E3 derived. OOAs were of course outside of the African continent and were thus left 'out of the loop' so to speak, until the Neolithic with the expansion of E3b and even later migrations that happened even more recently like the slave trade. [This message has been edited by Djehuti (edited 11 August 2005).] IP: Logged |
Djehuti Member Posts: 1399 |
posted 11 August 2005 10:01 PM
As far as your craniometric data from Brace. It has been explained to your stupid ass so many times that these craniometric features you call "caucasoid" are found from Africa to Papua New Guinea, from Europe to the Native Americas and everywhere in between. If Watutsi from Central Africa and the Wodaabe and Fulani from West Africa were included in that map they would also group close to Europeans! So too would people from Papua. Besides, skeletal structure is considered more accurate than craniometry when acessing populations because cranio-morphology is just so diverse even within a certain population, and Robins as well as other scientists say Somalis and other East Africans are *super-negroid* in terms of skeletal structure!
quote: Coon is outdated and is as inaccurate as YOU are!! His works have been refuted a long time ago, so why do you bring him up? Coon also believed that the original "Hamites" were an invading caucasoid race that entered Africa from Eurasia. Of course we now know such a case never happened! Much like your case of East Africans never being black or Sub-Saharan!!
quote: Selective pictures won't save you! I can post pictures of Mestiza movie stars to show how Filipinos look like. But getting back to Somalis, you said it yourself that they have "very little Eurasian admixture." That was the ONLY statement you made that was totally true! Eurasian admixture exists among the Somalis in very little amounts but it exists nonetheless, which explains the features of some Somalis. The first picture of the man in the white hat looks like a Benadir (recent Yemeni ancestry). Ironically Yemenis have nil E3b, which means Somalis of Yemeni ancestry would have less E3b than more pure types. Sorry dumb canine [This message has been edited by Djehuti (edited 11 August 2005).] IP: Logged |
rasol Member Posts: 3908 |
posted 11 August 2005 10:06 PM
Dejuhti: This thread is redundant and further refutation of Erroneous inanities over Sanchez 2005 - "data suggest that the male Somali population is a branch of the East African population - closely related to the Oromos in Ethiopia and North Kenya" is simply unnessesary. Erroneous is just a lame comedy act that ran out of material long ago. Don't feed the troll. [This message has been edited by rasol (edited 11 August 2005).] IP: Logged |
Evil Euro Member Posts: 632 |
posted 12 August 2005 07:56 AM
quote: Because their East African component relates them to Eurasians and not to other Africans. Read the passages quoted from Sanchez. These are his three main points: * Somalis are only ~5% Sub-Saharan African. * Somalis are predominantly East African (E3b). * East Africans are more Eurasian than African.
quote: Don't forget that Somalis' maternal ancestry is almost entirely Negroid. That explains their mixed appearance.
quote: Go get your GED, illiterate nigga. Then you'll be able to tell that I destroyed Topdog in that discussion. The dumb savage didn't even understand the concept of 'sides', so how could he be expected to correctly interpret genetic plots? Maybe you've got the same problem, since all you did there was congratulate him on his ignorance. IP: Logged |
awale Member Posts: 54 |
posted 12 August 2005 08:36 AM
since we are talking about somalis... IP: Logged |
rasol Member Posts: 3908 |
posted 12 August 2005 08:37 AM
This previously refuted thread is as useless as an albino monkey.
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awale Member Posts: 54 |
posted 12 August 2005 09:23 AM
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rasol Member Posts: 3908 |
posted 12 August 2005 10:08 AM
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awale Member Posts: 54 |
posted 12 August 2005 10:09 AM
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relaxx Member Posts: 418 |
posted 12 August 2005 10:22 AM
quote: Man, don't be too selective: Somalis come in all colors and you know that, and if you ignore them, they kick you back in Yemen as they kicked you out of Moghadishu:
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awale Member Posts: 54 |
posted 12 August 2005 10:27 AM
those are just only mogadishu somalis i posted from every part. the ones you posted look like jareers somewhat. [This message has been edited by awale (edited 12 August 2005).] IP: Logged |
relaxx Member Posts: 418 |
posted 12 August 2005 10:28 AM
quote: The General Aideed is jareer? She's the one who looks jareer: [This message has been edited by relaxx (edited 12 August 2005).] IP: Logged |
COBRA Member Posts: 245 |
posted 12 August 2005 10:35 AM
It think rosal is now terning ape IP: Logged |
relaxx Member Posts: 418 |
posted 12 August 2005 10:36 AM
quote: You're back man, how are you? Signed: [This message has been edited by relaxx (edited 12 August 2005).] IP: Logged |
COBRA Member Posts: 245 |
posted 12 August 2005 10:39 AM
relaxx you seem to be quite ignorant... ...you cant hold your self from posting selective pictires of extremly dark somalies. who may i add are not mauch in between when comparing with the majoraty of somalies. ...studing from what you have been posting on this site, i thing you may have gruge against somalies as a whole. [This message has been edited by COBRA (edited 12 August 2005).] IP: Logged |
COBRA Member Posts: 245 |
posted 12 August 2005 10:44 AM
somalies do not have a bantu admixtre mr Eveil. IP: Logged |
relaxx Member Posts: 418 |
posted 12 August 2005 10:45 AM
quote: Let's get some dark Irish beer and forget about the past... IP: Logged |
relaxx Member Posts: 418 |
posted 12 August 2005 10:47 AM
quote: Dark doesn't mean bantu admixture...dark Somali means purer Somali...ask any elder... IP: Logged |
COBRA Member Posts: 245 |
posted 12 August 2005 10:49 AM
quote: dont dring because i am a muslim...but a good old somali cofe will do. so....when did your misunderstanding of the somalies began.... IP: Logged |
COBRA Member Posts: 245 |
posted 12 August 2005 10:51 AM
quote: no stupid, somalies have always looked this way. i thought you belived somalies were mixed with arabs and bantus??? why contradicr??? [This message has been edited by COBRA (edited 12 August 2005).] IP: Logged |
awale Member Posts: 54 |
posted 12 August 2005 10:53 AM
COBRA, you seriously need to work on your English spelling and grammer. IP: Logged |
COBRA Member Posts: 245 |
posted 12 August 2005 10:54 AM
quote: Thanks for the tip, much apriciated. who was that?? IP: Logged |
relaxx Member Posts: 418 |
posted 12 August 2005 10:55 AM
quote: I never said that...where is the quote?Somalis look like Afars, Boranas, there are dark Somalis, light Somalis, and some mixed with Arabs, that's why some are lighter than the average African...but most of Somalis who mixed with Arabs kept the "Eastern African" features... [This message has been edited by relaxx (edited 12 August 2005).] IP: Logged |
COBRA Member Posts: 245 |
posted 12 August 2005 10:59 AM
So would you class this gentleman as a typical Somali? Or mixed with arab background.
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relaxx Member Posts: 418 |
posted 12 August 2005 11:03 AM
quote: He looks a little bit like an Oromo or a guy from Djibouti. Usually Somalis have smaller eyes...show me another Somali. [This message has been edited by relaxx (edited 12 August 2005).] IP: Logged |
COBRA Member Posts: 245 |
posted 12 August 2005 11:08 AM
quote: There is no point in Discussing with you on this very matter. You are just a trole who is bent on looking for a reaction. IP: Logged |
relaxx Member Posts: 418 |
posted 12 August 2005 11:10 AM
quote: CIAO!!! IP: Logged |
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