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Djehuti Member Posts: 1358 |
posted 01 August 2005 04:33 PM
  
quote: Sorry but unless you go to Asia or look at photographs from Asia, I don't expect you to know what I am talking about. I was not talking about "turanid" people, I was talking about peoples in the Tibetan region. In the past, Westerners thought the same thing-- that these people have "caucasoid" ancestry, but modern analysis suggests this isn't so. In fact, the very term "caucasoid" is bankrupt since so many people around the world have such features, from Somalia to the Native Americas and populations in between. To be honest, I have never been mistaken for a Chinese but instead a Mexican!! My skin is darker and my eyes are wider than a Chinese. Face it, people vary phenotypically and it has nothing to do with relativity. I have shown you pictures of aboriginal peoples in Asia who look just like your "congo bongo" people, yet have no close relation whatsoever. On the other hand, genetics has shown a definite close relation between Somalis and peoples in the Congo!! If you don't like the truth, tough! [This message has been edited by Djehuti (edited 01 August 2005).] IP: Logged |
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awale Member Posts: 36 |
posted 01 August 2005 04:41 PM
what the hell is this guy talking about lol?? tibetans and native americans look very mongoloid to me totally non-caucasoid. and somalis are genetically very closly related to Caucasoid people such as berbers and some south europeans. E3a and E3b are just as close as Y chromosomes that English man have and Y chromosomes that Chinese have. IP: Logged |
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relaxx Member Posts: 387 |
posted 01 August 2005 04:45 PM
quote: He's so stupid that he compare himself to a term used for European and Western Asian...well if this bastard thinks he looks like a big nosed, big headed, strong jawed, bantu looking Eurasian...good for him...oh yes, I forgot Darod have some affinities with them...I don't IP: Logged |
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awale Member Posts: 36 |
posted 01 August 2005 04:50 PM
tibetans  talk about mongoloid-ness !! IP: Logged |
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Djehuti Member Posts: 1358 |
posted 01 August 2005 04:54 PM
quote:  It is YOU who don't know what the hell you are talking about!!! As I said before, unless you've been to Asia, I don't expect you to know what I am talking about as far as Asians' features! First off, there really is no such thing as "race." Because there are peoples outside of Africa that have "negroid" features and there are peoples both inside Africa and other parts of the world that have "caucasoid" features. And since when were Native Americans "mongoloid"?!! They may share some similarities with Asians but there have many different features, and they also genetically differ from modern Asians! E3b that East Africans carry is a sister clade to the E3a that West Africans carry, just like R1a that Eastern Europeans carry is a sister clade to R1b that Western Europeans carry. Thus, further proof that East Africans are just as related to West Africans as East Europeans are related to West Europeans!! You screwed up, big time A-wal-e! [This message has been edited by Djehuti (edited 01 August 2005).] IP: Logged |
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Djehuti Member Posts: 1358 |
posted 01 August 2005 04:59 PM
quote: There is no need for picture spamm! I can show you hundreds of threads of Somalis who are actually Somali-Bantus, so don't even start! IP: Logged |
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relaxx Member Posts: 387 |
posted 01 August 2005 05:01 PM
quote: Go back to where you came from, it's not even sure that you have E3b in your blood...why? because you are a Darod...you might be more related to J haplogroup carrying Yemenis because of your Darod ancestors....I knew from the beginning that you were not a real Eastern African...your cousin Osama is waiting for you....and your Mijertin bomber... [This message has been edited by relaxx (edited 01 August 2005).] IP: Logged |
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rasol Member Posts: 3829 |
posted 01 August 2005 05:05 PM
quote: Really? E3a and E3b are the PN2 clade. What is this chinese-english clade you are referring to? [This message has been edited by rasol (edited 01 August 2005).] IP: Logged |
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awale Member Posts: 36 |
posted 01 August 2005 05:10 PM
quote: e3b did originate in sub-saharan africa but stop using broad terms like that because e3b is mainly found in the horn of africa. and e3b and e3a are one of the oldest y chromosomes far less related then the ones non-Africans have(like chinese and englishman). and europeans with e3b sure are not racially mixed . [This message has been edited by awale (edited 01 August 2005).] IP: Logged |
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Djehuti Member Posts: 1358 |
posted 01 August 2005 05:12 PM
quote: "mongoloid-ness"?!! LOL there is no such thing! I suppose this pure Southern African has "mongoloid-ness" also! Ironically, genetic analysis has shown that this woman and her people are closely related to other Africans including Somalis! IP: Logged |
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rasol Member Posts: 3829 |
posted 01 August 2005 05:19 PM
AWOL, Do you plan to ever present any actual data or just continue to babble in ignorance? This isn't Dodona and hot air won't suffice.
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awale Member Posts: 36 |
posted 01 August 2005 05:20 PM
^she's so not full mongoloid looking please find me one african who doesn't look out of a place in mongolia. IP: Logged |
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Djehuti Member Posts: 1358 |
posted 01 August 2005 05:23 PM
quote: I use the "broad" term Sub-Sahara, because that's the region where it originated dumbass! Although we don't know exactly where in Sub-Sahara, we do know that the highest frequency of original E3b* is found in a people in South Africa called the Khwe, who happen to look like Bantus!!
quote: Correction! English and Chinese share common OOA (Out-of-African) clades, but the E clades that Africans share originated out of the PN2 trasition that took place after OOA, which means it is younger than whatever clades you speak of between "english" and "Chinese"!!! Besides, it does not matter how old the clades are! E3a and E3b are still both E3 and are still closely related to each other!!
quote: It depends on what you mean by "racially" mixed! Phenotype does not necessarily reflect genotype. Thus there are white people with blonde hair and blue eyes in the US that have E3a! So the question is, if you acknowledge that E3b originated in Africa, then how did Greeks acquire it? Through mixture in the past, thats how!!
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Djehuti Member Posts: 1358 |
posted 01 August 2005 05:26 PM
quote: You are an idiot!! She is not mongoloid at all, she is pure African!! She is most likely more pure than you!! My whole point was to show that your racial concepts like "caucasoid," "negroid," and "mongoloid" are useless, because such features are widespread throughout the globe, you nitwit!! IP: Logged |
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relaxx Member Posts: 387 |
posted 01 August 2005 05:27 PM
quote: Bastard Darod Yemeni....who are you to talk about other Africans when we know you are not even a pure Eastern African? [This message has been edited by relaxx (edited 01 August 2005).] IP: Logged |
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rasol Member Posts: 3829 |
posted 01 August 2005 05:28 PM
quote: That's correct. Actually some Southern and SouthEast African groups have higher levels of E3b*M35 than the Somali. The Somali, Oromo and Borana have the highest levels of E3b1, which are derived from E3b*M35. During this time Europeans lived in the glacial refuges in Europe, and their lineages are denoted by R1 which split into R1a towards East Europe and R1b towards the West. So quite literally, if you were to trace the direct paternal lineage of most African men, Somali, Khwe, Yoruba, Taureg, it would lead back to a common ancestor - a Black African ancestor. That's what clade means - it means a common ancestry. IP: Logged |
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awale Member Posts: 36 |
posted 01 August 2005 05:29 PM
quote: ''sub-saharan africa'' is a broad term could be senegal, somalia, south africa or chad. the region where ir originated is the horn of africa.
quote: e3b can not be negroid or south europe and north africa would be very mixed regions and look like bi-racials.. [This message has been edited by awale (edited 01 August 2005).] IP: Logged |
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relaxx Member Posts: 387 |
posted 01 August 2005 05:32 PM
quote: If you are not educated, ask question, seriously, unless you want to be publicly humiliated...a pure Eastern African can not associate himself with Caucasian, that shows how mixed you are...everybody on earth derived from Eastern African..these southern Europeans and North African people...how come they have bigger features than non mixed Eastern Africans...I don't understant how you can identify with them...you must be sick or mixed up...the latter must be more correct... [This message has been edited by relaxx (edited 01 August 2005).] IP: Logged |
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Djehuti Member Posts: 1358 |
posted 01 August 2005 05:35 PM
quote: Of course he doesn't plan on presenting data, because he doesn't have any! Hot air is what he has inside of that empty skull of his!!
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quote: I am not surprised if the fool isn't a pure Somali, let alone pure African! The idiot wants to associate himself and his people with "caucasians" yet distance himself from other African groups!! The guy is just a pathetic sell-out! He can kiss the Yemenis asses all he wants, but where were the Yemenis when Somalia was suffering from famine? Why are Somalis treated like crap in Yemen? You know what guys, from the way the pig sounds, I'm beginning to suspect that our friend awale here is really Jizan or a cousin of his!! I thought I smelled a rat, or a pig! IP: Logged |
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awale Member Posts: 36 |
posted 01 August 2005 05:36 PM
waryaa naga amus moryaan yahow o dhuxul a nacala abuug. relaxx [This message has been edited by awale (edited 01 August 2005).] IP: Logged |
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rasol Member Posts: 3829 |
posted 01 August 2005 05:36 PM
quote: He's just another Dodona/Stormfront refugee. His comments make it clear that he is parroting information he picked up from white supremacists, and does not understand what he talking about in the slightest. He will run back to their website and look for a fake quote or two in a desperate attempt to answer the questions, which he is at present evading. How boring these infantile knuckleheads are. IP: Logged |
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Djehuti Member Posts: 1358 |
posted 01 August 2005 05:40 PM
quote: Idiot, Sub-Sahara is a region! E3b1 originated in the Horn, but original E3b* apparently came from South Africa!
quote: You still have not defined what a "negroid" is!! And I don't think you can! You have also not provided any data, because I know you can't!!! IP: Logged |
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awale Member Posts: 36 |
posted 01 August 2005 05:42 PM
quote: don't listin to this weird somali relaxx. his aim on this forum is to divide somalis in north and south. he claims the biggest clan of somalia (darod) is mulatto the man just ate too much qad. and i never said somalis are caucasian or what ever i said they look closer to them then to central or west africans feature wise. and yaman is a poor country itself. [This message has been edited by awale (edited 01 August 2005).] IP: Logged |
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Djehuti Member Posts: 1358 |
posted 01 August 2005 05:46 PM
quote: You talk like you ate too much qad, yourself!
quote: So!! feature wise, Central Africans look closer to the Andamenese Negritos, and feature wise the San busmen (like the woman I showed you) looks closer to the Chinese!! Does this mean they share a close relation?!! The answer is NO!! All Africans are closely related to each other regardless of their features!!! [This message has been edited by Djehuti (edited 01 August 2005).] IP: Logged |
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kenndo Member Posts: 911 |
posted 02 August 2005 12:45 AM
quote: Many would say THAT MOST east africans with features that are more like whites have some form of mixture. Bantus of east africa vary as well and they are east african too even if they came later. There are alot of east africans like the sudanic types and bantus that have broad heads on average like many west africans but you could find large numbers in both regions with long heads or some in between with broad noses. Lets keep in mind if you add most of the other states of east africa outside of the horn of african most folks there would have still broad noses on average,kinky hair and on average and dark skin AND THE FURTHER you go back in time you would find more folk in east africa average with these kind of features. EAST AFRICA to me are all the states of east africa not just ethiopia and the other horn of east african states. I DO not want to feed into these racist who only think the horn of africa is the real east africa ,what about kenya?tanzania and the sudan,these states are the real east africa too. There are more folks living in these states in east africa. you have a idea what i am saying this is for some others who are new or for the ones like the racist who really know the the real truth. [This message has been edited by kenndo (edited 02 August 2005).] IP: Logged |
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relaxx Member Posts: 387 |
posted 02 August 2005 06:12 AM
quote: Kenndo, Don't worry,I'm aware of that, and I agree with what you said, but please read the whole thread...It was directed to a specific person who is trying to insult all Africans including himself... Relaxx IP: Logged |
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relaxx Member Posts: 387 |
posted 02 August 2005 06:24 AM
quote: Correct: even among pure Somalis: Relaxx [This message has been edited by relaxx (edited 02 August 2005).] IP: Logged |
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rasol Member Posts: 3829 |
posted 02 August 2005 07:19 AM
Kenndo, excellent observations as usual. IP: Logged |
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rasol Member Posts: 3829 |
posted 02 August 2005 12:02 PM
quote: Kenndo: In order for this statement to be entirely accurate you need to add that there are folks living in West Africa who have narrower noses and long heads as well. IP: Logged |
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kenndo Member Posts: 911 |
posted 02 August 2005 05:41 PM
quote: correct i should have mention it,and i did a tiny edit above in my post as well. [This message has been edited by kenndo (edited 02 August 2005).] IP: Logged |
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Waryaa Member Posts: 72 |
posted 02 August 2005 05:46 PM
Cawaale, waan kula taliye ninkaan aad la doodeysid dood hal uu ka yaqaano maleh oo bilaa micna uu iskaga murmaa ee warkiisa iska dhaaf, anagaa kaga daalnay. Ma arki karo Soomaali quruxdooda oo wuu ka xanaaqaa. Ila arag sawiradaan oo asaga ugu tala galay maadaama uu ka xumaado quruxda Soomaalida. Somalis are different from other Africans. That is a fact. Some of you may be allergic seeing Somalis being different from other Africans, nonetheless they always were and are. Some of our skin can be dark-skinned or light-coloured, regardless we always were one Somali. Few illustrations: [img] http://pics-31.hi5.com/userpics/531/482/48256531.img.jpg[/img] IP: Logged |
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Puro Hybrido Junior Member Posts: 6 |
posted 02 August 2005 06:05 PM
I think there are several factors which determine how one will look like: 1. Parents
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kenndo Member Posts: 911 |
posted 02 August 2005 06:07 PM
FOLKS FROM NORWAY ON AVERAGE ARE different from greeks and whites from spain but they still look white,so there is no point here,they are still white just like the average somali is still black,and yes those chicks above look clearly negriod and most above have large lips and large eyes,some have eyes that are not large and some do not have large lips . Large big eyes are common to MANY black women by the way,that is why you see so many arab and latino women who look clearly mixed or have some form of black mixture with them. [This message has been edited by kenndo (edited 02 August 2005).] IP: Logged |
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Waryaa Member Posts: 72 |
posted 02 August 2005 06:07 PM
More, for you convenience. These pictures are from Toronto, my city and it was a Somali Week soccer tournament celebration that took place the beginning of July, last month  [This message has been edited by Waryaa (edited 02 August 2005).] IP: Logged |
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Puro Hybrido Junior Member Posts: 6 |
posted 02 August 2005 06:28 PM
No one human on earth has the same eyes, height or skin pigments. I don't understand what all this racist gibberish was all about.
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rasol Member Posts: 3829 |
posted 02 August 2005 06:42 PM
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quote: You're both correct. But facts don't necessarily ease the frustration of seeing preferred mythologies exploded. Argument by picture spam is tantamount to screaming in desperation, in attempt to make a point which if it were valid, could be made in a calm and objective manner. IP: Logged |
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relaxx Member Posts: 387 |
posted 02 August 2005 08:43 PM
quote: And now you play the pimp, I hope you have their authorization.... IP: Logged |
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Djehuti Member Posts: 1358 |
posted 02 August 2005 08:43 PM
Waryaa, there is no need for a picture spamm. I'm sure many in here already know what Somalis look like, but that is not the point of this thread! Besides, those pretty girls you posted look just like African-American girls I've met. LOL IP: Logged |
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bandon19 Member Posts: 129 |
posted 03 August 2005 12:35 AM
Djehuti yes i am black im dark and from the united states. But all those people could pass for my family members but they are somailis are negros just like us all slavery people have some mixture in america. My mother looks like she could be from india but where negros with a little mixture. Only in black people there could be on drop of blood in our people and it could change every thing of our featrues to say u are not a negro or east africans is ludacris. My mother side there is some mixture but they are light and dark but also on my father side there is no mixture that u can date back and there are light dark people. But for the people like AMR1 AND HORMHEB to say we are not negros is retarded or my light skined family members are not negors is stupid. But for Waryaa those people can look like all my family member we vary just like that i look as u people as negros with a little arab amixture but u can consider u and ur people what ever u want. But for like awale to say ur caucsaion is another retarded remark both my grandmothers are way lighter then any somiali and sudan people and no one is going to mistaken them for cuacsion. Like i said negros can have a little admixture on either side and it could of set every thing are complextions and facial features but for white people with african descent witch i seen some dont come out looking like black some of the have blond hair blue eyes. IP: Logged |
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COBRA Member Posts: 237 |
posted 03 August 2005 06:01 AM
quote: Just to coreect somalies have never been under slavery. You must be talking about the Oromo and Beja who have been under slavery for thousands of years. If you would like to disagree then please feel free to post some fact to countar act this statement. I bet you wornt find any, because their aint any. I know Ausar, Rasol and super car will back this claim. IP: Logged |
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COBRA Member Posts: 237 |
posted 03 August 2005 06:06 AM
And i still stand by my claim that somalies are not NEGRO. IP: Logged |
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kenndo Member Posts: 911 |
posted 03 August 2005 09:31 AM
quote: quote: IT IS KNOWN that most african americans have some form of mixture(not all)and still look and are clearly black. Know one said that somali's been under slavery but it is clear those women posted above are clearly negriod. Most horn of african types have on average more mixture but that does not make them CLEARLY CALLED mixed race .They are not mixed like most arabs and latino's because most horn of african groups still look and are black AND SOME ARE NOT MIXED AT ALL while some others have only little mixture. [This message has been edited by kenndo (edited 03 August 2005).] IP: Logged |
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rasol Member Posts: 3829 |
posted 03 August 2005 09:36 AM
quote: Negro - caucasoid - mongoloid - racial classifications, no longer in scientific use. Your claim is not wrong, however it is moot. IP: Logged |
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rasol Member Posts: 3829 |
posted 03 August 2005 09:40 AM
quote: I think it would help if we stop trying to fit Africans into Eurocentric racial labels. The labels are contrived, arbitrary, hypocritical, created by European racists to service their racism, and have no scientific value. It's a mistake to continue to insist upon them. IP: Logged |
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walklikeanegyptian Member Posts: 92 |
posted 03 August 2005 10:29 AM
Somalis do look different from other Africans only because not all Africans look the same. West Africans have a certain look, Upper Egyptians, Sudanese, Somalis, etc. have a different look than other Africans but that doesn't make them less African. IP: Logged |
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COBRA Member Posts: 237 |
posted 03 August 2005 10:39 AM
quote: bravo, bravo, bravo...well put. IP: Logged |
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amal81 Junior Member Posts: 3 |
posted 03 August 2005 11:06 AM
the word somali might be new but the language an the people were alaways there. anways,to the people who are saying somalis do not look like other africans ,africans do not conform to only one look, africa is diverse. You don't see blue eyed blond haired russians telling dark italians that they are less white than they are. what africa needs is unity. peace IP: Logged |
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bandon19 Member Posts: 129 |
posted 03 August 2005 11:29 AM
so cobra who is negro the term negro is made up when its was made its not from scientist. It meant people from africa not southern not northern it meant colored people from africa. The term came along way before sceintist it was around when they wehre bringing slave to american. But cobra i was talking about black people in the united states slave not somilyes u read my statemnet wrong i meant people from united states have mixture. But also like someone said most black people in america are not mix just cause ur dark doesnt mean u dont have mixture. Im black as hell i dont look like i would have any mixture to u see my grandmothers or mother i doubt anybody who came here on a slave ship is 100 percent. Still black even if not 100 percent like i said all black people are brown. But also cobra everybody at some point was slaves but i have a question for u the somiley gean show high percent of negro more of that and a high percent of arabs so u guys are mix with negro and arab. So how are u saying that ur guys are not negros lol. In american terms cause a west african might not think he is a negro cause its made up so u cant call them that. But u guys are mixed people it dosent take a rocket scientist to tell u that. IP: Logged |
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kenndo Member Posts: 911 |
posted 03 August 2005 08:22 PM
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Djehuti Member Posts: 1358 |
posted 03 August 2005 09:00 PM
quote: Why are you applauding?!! You are the one who is so insistent on distinguishing Somalis as being different from "negroes", while you fail to define what a "negro" is exactly!! I have called you out before on this error of the racial terms you use in the Somali 101 thread. After that you became silent, I guess out of defeat. But months later you are back talking the same nonsense! You need to stop smoking those Irish clovers or blarneys. IP: Logged |
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