posted 14 June 2005 08:20 AM            

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This explains why Y chromosome associated Cohen model haplotype has no decernable effect on Lemba morphology. It documents lineage, to a limited and non-quantifable degree - as stated by Dr's Spenser Wells, and Christopher Wills - but does not have a specific effect on morphology.

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Then, just a few posts down, he changes his "mind" and argues that they in fact do:

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Long before the genetics proved this, Larry Angel and others actually traced the introduction of these African skeletypes into Europe. Southern Europeans have these African admixtures to this day: Greeks have 23% Pn2 clade Y lineages, and these lineages fade to next to nothing as you go north and into the blonde/blue eyed pale nordic populations.

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He's a dishonest monkey just like all of these other Afro-idiots.

posted 14 June 2005 01:35 PM            

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Originally posted by Evil Euro:
First, rasol claims that Y-chromosomes don't have any effect on morphology:

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Wow, you are obtuse.

What is stated is that Y chromosome mutations such as PN2 denote lineage, and not morphology.

This was explained to Erroneous idiot before by Dr. Christopher Wills no less. Too bad Erroneous is stupid and can't understand genetics.....

The Lemba of Africa have a substantial genetic contribution from peoples of the Middle East, Jewish people in fact who apparently arrived in South Africa 2,000 years ago; nobody's sure exactly when-bringing genes with them which have made a substantial contribution to the gene pool of the Lemba. They look just like other southern Africans.

All those genes that have been put into the Lemba gene pool have had virtually no effect on their morphology.

The genetic changes that produce the morphological change might be fairly small. You can get a very small genetic change that can have a big effect on the organism's morphology....Christopher Wills.

[Benin HBS has such an impact on Southern european morphology -> sickle cell]

.....or conversely you can have a lot of genetic changes that have no effect on the organism's morphology -Biologist Christopher Wills [PH.d], University of California

Keep trying Erroneous.....

posted 14 June 2005 01:56 PM            

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Long before the genetics proved this, Larry Angel and others actually traced the introduction of these African skeletypes into Europe. Southern Europeans have these African admixtures to this day: Greeks have 23% Pn2 clade Y lineages, and these lineages fade to next to nothing as you go north and into the blonde/blue eyed pale nordic populations.

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posted 14 June 2005 01:56 PM            

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Then, just a few posts down, he changes his "mind" and argues that they in fact do:

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Nope, the facts related are consistent throughout as facts always are, unlike you who contradicts himself all the time, because liars and fools always do.

The problem is that you are simply not very smart and cannot understand the distinction between lineage [E3b] Y chromosome and morphology [sickle cell] Benin Haplotype, and how they BOTH document the fact of genetic admixture from Black Africa in southern Europe, and make your claims of pure white race of southern Europe utterly laughable.

Dr. Keita explains it succently:

racialists models which imply nonoverlapping gene pools......are outdated.

The presence of E3B lineages AND the Benin haplotype in southern Europe illustrates this well.

Unless, I must add, your name is Erroneous Euro and you are too stupid to understand bioanthropology. Even when the facts are clearly ILLUSTRATED.....

Where Benin HBS in Europe comes from:

What Benin HBS in Europe does:

Sickle cell trait documents West African inherited genotype and consequent alteration in morphology in Southern Europe.

Keep trying Erroneous.....

posted 14 June 2005 02:05 PM            

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For the record, the reason Lemba don't show evidence of Caucasoid admixture

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....is because Caucazoid genes don't exist.

It's about time you admitted it, but it makes a liar out of you, yet again.

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Erroneous wrote: "Lemba group with caucasoids and away from Negroids".

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Poor Erroneous, lie as he will, he just can't win.

Keep Lying.

posted 14 June 2005 02:09 PM            

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Originally posted by Super car:
Evil quoted Rasol on:

Distortion isn't Evil's only problem, reading is another problem he needs to address. What is simply being stated, is that various findings support admixture, from the study of skeletal remains to genetic analysis.

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Correct of course. Easy to understand the facts when you are not not desparately trying to avoid them.

Run Erroneous Run!

posted 14 June 2005 05:51 PM            

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Originally posted by rasol:

Correct of course. Easy to understand the facts when you are not not desparately trying to avoid them.

Run Erroneous Run!

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After his omission of the fact that the Khwe had one of the highest frequency of the original haplogroup E3b*(M-35) which is the precursor of all E3b haplogroups, I started to pay more attention to his interventions. I usually don't pay too much attention to the threads in which he is involved. However I was shocked by this omission even if it was in bold characters. He gives the impression of someone who is more knowledgeable, if he really is, in the field of anthropology ...Though I have some doubt since he has a tendency to twist the facts ("n" vs. "N").

However he either doesn't know much about genetics, or he's a pathetic liar, or he doesn't know how to read or have some form of dyslexia.
It might be the reason why he is filling his interventions with racial slurs, since that's the only thing that can impress readers of his posts.

Last thing: is he from Southern Europe?

posted 14 June 2005 08:06 PM            

THE GLOBAL AFRICAN COMMUNITY

H I S T O R Y N O T E S

THE INFLUENCE OF THE MOORS IN SPAIN AND PORTUGAL
by Edward Vivian Scobie

Posted by RUNOKO RASHIDI

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"Whatever makes a kingdom great, whatever tends to refinement and civilization was found in Moorish Spain."

--Stanley Lane-Poole

The same degree of intellect and learning was brought by the Moorish conquerors of the Iberian peninsula to Portugal. Like Spain, that country was to be culturally influenced by the Moors. Its association with Africa dates as far back as the fourth and fifth centuries when Africans arrived in southern Europe. But it was in 711 A.D. that they marched in as conquerors under the command of Tarik. To reinforce what has been said earlier these Moors, as the early writers chronicled, were "black or dark people, some being very black."

After the invasion of 711 came other waves of Moors even darker. It was this occupation of Portugal which accounts for the fact that even noble families had absorbed the blood of the Moor.

From that time onwards, racial mixing in Portugal, as in Spain, and elsewhere in Europe which came under the influence of Moors, took place on a large scale. That is why historians claim that "Portugal is in reality a Negroid land," and that when Napoleon explained that "Africa begins at the Pyrenees," he meant every word that he uttered. Even the world-famed shrine in Portugal, Fatima, where Catholic pilgrims from all over the world go in search of miracle cures for their afflictions, owes its origin to the Moors. The story goes that a Portuguese nobleman was so saddened by the death of his wife, a young Moorish beauty whom he had married after her conversion to the Christian faith, that he gave up his title and fortune and entered a monastery. His wife was buried on a high plateau called Sierra de Aire. It is from there that the name of Fatima is derived.

The Moors ruled and occupied Lisbon and the rest of the country until well into the twelfth century. They were finally defeated and driven out by the forces of King Alfonso Henriques, who was aided by English and Flemish crusaders. The scene of this battle was the Castelo de Sao Jorge or, in English, the Castle of St. George. Today, it still stands, overlooking the city of "Lashbuna"--as the Moors named Lisbon.

The defeat of the Moors did not put an end to their influence on Portugal. The African (Moorish) presence can be seen everywhere in Portugal; in the architecture of many of the buildings. They still retain their Moorish design--like the Praca De Toiros--the Bull Ring in Lisbon. A walk through Alfama--the oldest quarter in Lisbon, with its fifteenth century houses, narrow-winding streets--dates back to the time when it was the last settlement of the Moors. Fado singers abound in all corners and bistros of Afalma. Their songs and rhythms owe much to the influence of the Moorish musicians centuries ago. Even the fishing boats on the beaches of Cascais show marked African traces. Called the rabelos, these boats, with their large red or white sails, which also ply on the Douro River to fetch wine from the upper valleys, are reminiscent of the transport boats of Lagos in Nigeria.

SOURCE:
The Golden Age of the Moor, edited by Ivan Van Sertima

REFERENCES:
The Moors in Spain and Portugal, by Jan Read
Nature Knows No Color-Line, by Joel Augustus Rogers

Also see: THE MOORS IN EUROPE
and: THE MOORISH CONQUEST OF SPAIN
and: THE MOORS IN ANTIQUITY: A BIBLIOGRAPHY

posted 14 June 2005 11:19 PM            

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Originally posted by relaxx:

However he either doesn't know much about genetics, or he's a pathetic liar, or he doesn't know how to read or have some form of dyslexia.

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Correct on all counts. Add to that the self delusion involved in creating a thread dedicated to exposing his learning disorders, as he fails miserably to grasp facts clearly understood by everyone else.

So let's help Erroneous out,

1st by providing him with needed remedial source, lest he continue to humiliate himself....

2nd, by correcting the thread premis, which should read....

posted 15 June 2005 07:39 AM            

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Originally posted by rasol:
What is stated is that Y chromosome mutations such as PN2 denote lineage, and not morphology.

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^^^^^^^^^^^^ Lying ape trying to weasel out of his contradiction ^^^^^^^^^^^^

Make up your mind, spook. Are Greeks dark because of their E3b Y-chromosomes, or are Y-chromosomes unconnected to race/morphology, as you claimed with the Lemba? You can't have it both ways.

I'll give you a moment to think about your answer . . .

posted 15 June 2005 09:29 AM            

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Originally posted by Evil Euro:
Are Greeks dark because of their E3b Y-chromosomes?

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This question from someone whose astounding stupidity had them claiming Asian mail order brides carry Y chromosome.

It's clear that you have ZERO comprehension of genetics.

The answer is no you idiot, and stupid question, as skin and eye color in humans are 'polygenic' morphologies regulated by multiple autosomal genes.

HOW TO AVOID FUTURE EMBARRASSMENT
When you don't know something, just ask. Don't try to cover it, by pretending to be challenging those who are better educated and less ignorant than you. [that means everyone else here]

It just makes you look even more foolish, if possible.

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Make up your mind.

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We have: You're stupid. The proof is this thread, dedicated to your complete inability to understand that which everyone grasps.

No wonder then, that you can't understand genetic studies.

I'm disappointed Erroneous.

A good troll needs at least a rudamentary familiarity with the topic in order to succeed in making other people angry.

With this thread, you've revealed yourself to be an empty shell, who knows absolutely nothing other than what he cuts&pastes from Dienekes fake anthropology website.

We're all laughing at you. You are sooooo pathetic.

Keep trying Erroneous.....

Dizzy EuroMut, trying to grasp genetics.

posted 16 June 2005 07:35 AM            

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Originally posted by rasol:
No you idiot, and stupid question too, as skin and eye color in humans are 'polygenic' morphologies regulated by multiple autosomal genes.

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^^^^^^^^^^ Lying ape still trying to weasel out of his contradiction ^^^^^^^^^^

Make up your mind, spook. Are Greeks "racially mixed" because of their E3b Y-chromosomes as you've claimed many times, or are Y-chromosomes unconnected to race and morphology as you claimed with the Lemba? You can't have it both ways.

Think carefully before giving an answer and digging yourself even deeper . . .

posted 16 June 2005 07:45 AM            

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Make up your mind.

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We have: Fact is, you're simply too stupid to understand genetics.

Yet you keep begging us to educate you - by quoting yourself [ROTFL!], falsly attributing your own comments to others, and then hoping WE will explain YOUR incredibly stupid remarks to YOU.

Good luck finding a sucker to help you with that.

Intead, go here:

And stop begging....

DIZZY MUT.

posted 16 June 2005 07:57 AM            

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Djehutu wrote: Stupid-Euro must either be so incredibly dumb or a glutton for

punishment (or both)!!!

For the past 6 months he come here talking the same tired old sh** only to be whipped and

humiliated everytime!

So, why does he keep doing it??!!

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Poor Erroneous, trying to "understand".

posted 17 June 2005 07:40 AM            

Are Greeks "racially mixed" because of their E3b Y-chromosomes as you've claimed many times, or are Y-chromosomes unconnected to race and morphology as you claimed with the Lemba?

posted 18 June 2005 07:44 AM            

Are Greeks "racially mixed" because of their E3b Y-chromosomes as you've claimed many times, or are Y-chromosomes unconnected to race and morphology as you claimed with the Lemba?

posted 18 June 2005 09:56 AM            

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Rudib001 writes: As for this this EuroEvil individual, he is definitely a sad loser. I wonder how he is able to constantly create the same threads over and over again.
What a limited life...

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Good question.

posted 19 June 2005 07:39 AM            

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Originally posted by rasol:
People with mental retardation often engage in perseveration, a defense mechanism involving continuous, meaningless repetition of words, or movements, usually caused by brain injury or other organic disorder.

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Which is precisely what you do to avoid addressing the evidence I post and answering questions.

Fifth day without an answer . . .

Are Greeks "racially mixed" because of their E3b Y-chromosomes as you've claimed many times, or are Y-chromosomes unconnected to race and morphology as you claimed with the Lemba?

posted 20 June 2005 08:13 AM            

Are Greeks "racially mixed" because of their E3b Y-chromosomes as you've claimed many times, or are Y-chromosomes unconnected to race and morphology as you claimed with the Lemba?

posted 20 June 2005 06:17 PM            

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Originally posted by rasol:
Keep trying Erroneous:

Keep trying....

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