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THE TRUTH Junior Member Posts: 4 |
posted 05 June 2005 10:22 AM
  
It makes me very upset that some of you still try to change race by new definitions. Those women (Somali and East African are Black). They are not Arab. Black. They are Black. Iman appears on this month's issue of Essence Magazine with a host of other famous Black Women. The title is even Black Women something. If she wasn't then why does she align herself as such. What do you all think that Black people look like. That goes to the famous saying that whites(and others) "think that all black people look alike". Just take a look at the various Negroes in the Americas we look all different shades and hair colors. Stop believing those white man master-slave ideas that negroes have short nappy hair and black skins. We naturally come in different complexions and hair textures. Blacks naturally have Red Hair, Brown hair, we don't not all have Black hair or dark brown eyes(stupid races are too stupid to realize that no human has black eyes only dark brown) We have blue eyes, greens eyes, hazel eyes. hell my little cousin has eyes that seem to change colors from green to hazel to gray at times. Most African American males appear to have black hair becuase we - here's the shocking part- We Cut Our Hair ASS. My hair is actually a light brown. But you can't tell unless I let my hair grow out. Open your eyes people. The Kemetians were African, Negro, and Black. Take a trip back through history. IP: Logged |
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AMR1 Member Posts: 164 |
posted 05 June 2005 10:33 AM
The face of Iman is obvious to any one who live in Africa is of a mix of arab Yemanis and Africans. She is not pure African. Somalia and all the East coast has mixed with Southern arabians. Yous ee people like Iman in Southern Arabia and you see many Southern arabian faces in East Africa. IP: Logged |
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ausar Moderator Posts: 4080 |
posted 05 June 2005 10:46 AM
quote: This is not exactly true,Amr. Somalis have a distinct look even before supposed mixing with Yemani Arabs. Many inland Somalis have the same features as Iman. Physical Anthropologist called Somalis an Elongated African.
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rasol Member Posts: 3524 |
posted 05 June 2005 11:11 AM
quote: One Arm is an obvious troll, who for whatever reason, reminds me of our old friend Professor Horemheb. IP: Logged |
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rasol Member Posts: 3524 |
posted 05 June 2005 11:14 AM
One Arm - You are free as ever to ignore the facts when they are not to your liking: Scholars now recognize that the Arab factor--except for the Somalis' conversion to Islam--is marginal to understanding the Somali past. Increasingly, evidence places the Somalis within a wide family of peoples called Eastern Cushites. From a broader cultural-linguistic perspective, the Cushite family belongs to a vast stock of languages and peoples considered Afro-Asiatic. Afro-Asiatic languages in turn include Cushitic (principally Somali, Oromo, and Afar), the Hausa language of Nigeria, and the Semitic languages of Arabic, Hebrew, and Amharic. Medieval Arabs referred to the Eastern Cushites as the Berberi. In addition to the Somalis, the Cushites include the largely nomadic Afar (Danakil), who straddle the Great Rift Valley between Ethiopia and Djibouti; the Oromo, who have played such a large role in Ethiopian history and in the 1990s constituted roughly one-half of the Ethiopian population and were also numerous in northern Kenya; the Reendille (Rendilli) of Kenya; and the Aweera (Boni) along the Lamu coast in Kenya. The Somalis belong to a subbranch of the Cushites, the Omo-Tana group, whose languages are almost mutually intelligible. The original home of the Omo-Tana group appears to have been on the Omo and Tana rivers, in an area extending from Lake Turkana in present-day northern Kenya to the Indian Ocean coast. -countrystudies.us/somalia/3.htm IP: Logged |
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rasol Member Posts: 3524 |
posted 05 June 2005 11:22 AM
quote: This is correct. It is South Yemen, and not Somalia that is best described as a biological mixture of Africans and Asians. Modern West Asians, sans African admixtures [meaning little to no E or L lineages], do not resemble elongated Africans very much. Elongated AFricans are so named not only for their long faces, but for their extreme tropically adapted limb ratios, which are found only in Africa and among Somali, Tutsi, Masai, Borana, Afar, Dinka, Oromo and other peoples hyper adapted to a tropical climate. IP: Logged |
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COBRA Member Posts: 107 |
posted 05 June 2005 11:28 AM
AMR1 there are more admixture going on in the south of the arabian penisola. For example Yeman, Saudia Arabia, Oman and so on. The qeation shouldn't be weather we look like you Arabs. The question should be weather you you guys look like us. Because we have been around much longer then arabs ever been. IP: Logged |
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ausar Moderator Posts: 4080 |
posted 05 June 2005 12:05 PM
You look in modern Arab countries you will find Western and Central African admixture even. After all Western and Central Africans been coming to the Arabian peninsula both as slaves and as Muslim pilgrims. In Saudi Arabia you can find both Hausa and Fulani people from Western Africa. IP: Logged |
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Djehuti Member Posts: 788 |
posted 05 June 2005 01:00 PM
quote: I know black people vary in color and hair texture., but what you're talking about with the different hair and eye colors have to due to admixure since idigenous Africans don't have all that. IP: Logged |
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dahlak Member Posts: 149 |
posted 05 June 2005 08:34 PM
quote: Not all East African are black, i am talking about north east africa (Eritrea). IP: Logged |
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Super car Member Posts: 1240 |
posted 05 June 2005 08:55 PM
quote: Never thought there were enough people out there, who don't have basic geography straight. IP: Logged |
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Thought2 Member Posts: 1762 |
posted 05 June 2005 10:39 PM
quote: Thought Writes: Of course there are foreigners such as Arabs, Frence, Germans etc. We are discussing the indigenous people of the region. IP: Logged |
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truelight Member Posts: 63 |
posted 05 June 2005 10:39 PM
lool...i have seen africans with colored eyes..the most i have seen are hazel eyes..my own father as greyish-blue eyes so i think africans can have all that Djehuti..why not?..cuz we black.. IP: Logged |
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Thought2 Member Posts: 1762 |
posted 05 June 2005 10:53 PM
quote: Thought Writes: Because humans who are indigenous to the tropical regions of the world have dark eyes, skin and hair color. IP: Logged |
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truelight Member Posts: 63 |
posted 05 June 2005 11:01 PM
quote: says who...my dad have dark skin-tone not brown not light but dark..yet his eyes are greyish-blue....so what up with that. i don't think you have to HAVE dark eyes,skin and hair... IP: Logged |
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Thought2 Member Posts: 1762 |
posted 05 June 2005 11:07 PM
quote: Thought Writes: Modern science....
quote: Thought Writes: You don't HAVE to, but those are the traits that are INDIGENOUS to tropical Africa. IP: Logged |
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lamin Member Posts: 360 |
posted 05 June 2005 11:37 PM
To Amri: It is plainly nonsensical from a scientific point of view to talk of pure races. If there are "pure Africans" as you put it, then offer us examples of "pure Europeans" and "pure Asians". I imagine that the constant clash in dialogue on this site has to do with the fact that colloquial ways of speaking based on often erroneous folkloric beliefs are very difficult to give up unless one has developed a disciplined mind ready to see things logically and scientifically. IP: Logged |
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THE TRUTH Junior Member Posts: 4 |
posted 06 June 2005 06:32 AM
Here we go again with the bullshit. Don't no one know black people better than black people. Don't tell me that Blacks only have those features do to racial admixture. Stop it. I'm truly sick of you whites with this bullshit. The only reason that you call East Africans a mixture of black and Arab is because you that the Ancients themselves say that they came from the start of the Nile, which is Ethiopia. Stop it. Arab first of all isn't a fucking race. That's like many Hispanics in the America who think that regardless of the obvious white, negro, and native american features that they are someone just made that way and that they somehow belong to a separate race of people. Just stop it. Do me a favor. Go look in the fucking mirror at yourselves. Go look at your white neighbors. Go look at all the fucking white folks on t.v. and then ask yourself. Did the Ancient Egyptians really look like me. No melanin in my skin. stringing hair. Bird like noses. Get fucking real people. The Kemetians were from the start of the Nile. They were not Nordic whites, nor where they from the Arabian Peninsula. Stop it. Also, Blacks did not live just in Africa. Many lived as far as Western Asia, which is why some Indians are clearly negroes. The media does a good job of concealing these facts. Facts like there is a population of Negroes in places like Israel. Everytime I see them mention that nation all I see is white people. You whites are idigenous to one place that is Europe. Stop attempting make it seem that only you were great. Has anyone here read the Egyptian Mysteries. The Egyptians were very intelligent. They didn't even allow whites into their country until the Middle dynasties. They made them remain on the shores before hand. They referred to whites as 'Filthy Beings'. I'm really just sick of all the world trying to destroy the Negro. We do not all look alike. Blacks do have varying complexiions hair types and colors. One of you said that is do to admixture. Trust me it is not. I used to think that whites looked alike til I noticed that you all are variations of white. Some pale and Some paler. Do this service Look At Yourselves. Then look at the Ancient Egyptians do they look like you. If they were white then why did they even bother painting themselves brown or black? One of the oldest tricks now is to show nubians of being darker than the Kemetians but truth is that there are Brown to Black depictions of both nations. The media just tries to imply that they may not have been black. Those racist egyptologist conspire against blacks to retain white supremacy. IP: Logged |
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Jizan Member Posts: 113 |
posted 06 June 2005 10:30 AM
Iman looks caucasian - negroid mixed with dark skin.she aint fully negroid. [This message has been edited by Jizan (edited 06 June 2005).] IP: Logged |
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Jizan Member Posts: 113 |
posted 06 June 2005 10:32 AM
double post [This message has been edited by Jizan (edited 06 June 2005).] IP: Logged |
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Yonis Junior Member Posts: 15 |
posted 06 June 2005 10:34 AM
quote: Lol... you need to learn how to use the comma sign within your sentence, almost got a headache. IP: Logged |
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Atheist Member Posts: 154 |
posted 06 June 2005 10:55 AM
You don't really need to go further all you need to do is see what the Ancient Egyptians refer to themselves as. And yes they were referred as black. Not because they were jet black in skin color but they embraced the fact that they were dark. They embraced their blackness. You then look at most of the artifacts found during their time you’ll notice their relationship with the color black. Also the sculptures and statues all show clear negroid features which leads me to believe that they were same black Africans of today. You look at historical books written by the Ancient people and not surprisingly they described the Ancient Egyptians as the same black Africans of today. You look at the mummies of the royals those same type of skulls and bones can be found in Africa. These are obvious it’s not something to mediate about because it’s clear and there is no question who the Egyptians were. All you need to do is be little bit more objective and open-minded. You don’t need to be a Afrocentrist to know that Ancient Egyptians were African blacks. [This message has been edited by Atheist (edited 06 June 2005).] IP: Logged |
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truelight Member Posts: 63 |
posted 06 June 2005 12:35 PM
quote: why becuase of her features that is wack...she is full black...black people don't have to look the same or have the same features IP: Logged |
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Jizan Member Posts: 113 |
posted 06 June 2005 01:31 PM
quote: Ever heard of Negroid features, Caucasoid features and Mongoloid features !?!?
quote: yes she is black But she is not full negroid you know that dont deny it. she looks clearly mixed with ''caucasian''. clearly racially mixed [This message has been edited by Jizan (edited 06 June 2005).] IP: Logged |
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Jizan Member Posts: 113 |
posted 06 June 2005 01:58 PM
Mixed race latina has the same features as Iman == could be her sister ! IP: Logged |
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ausar Moderator Posts: 4080 |
posted 06 June 2005 02:01 PM
Not really. Iman has a more deep brown complexion than Miss Columbia. Not to mention Miss Columbia nose is actually wider than Imans. IP: Logged |
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Jizan Member Posts: 113 |
posted 06 June 2005 02:02 PM
http://www.isteve.com/HoF-SizeDoesMatter.htm
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Jizan Member Posts: 113 |
posted 06 June 2005 02:06 PM
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ausar Moderator Posts: 4080 |
posted 06 June 2005 02:11 PM
Not really. If you look closer you see differences in phenotype. Somalis have a unique look that is not influenced by Western Asians. For your theory to work would mean that Somalis looked originally like Western/Central Africans which they clearly didn't. Those supposed features you claim are caucasoid I can show you southern Sudanese who have those narrow features. Maybe in areas like Ethiopia amongst the Amharan but not amongst Somalis. Miss Columbia also probably has some native ancestry.
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Jizan Member Posts: 113 |
posted 06 June 2005 02:13 PM
quote: Arent somalis geneticlly north east africans with minor arabic blood? why are they in the arabian league? IP: Logged |
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ausar Moderator Posts: 4080 |
posted 06 June 2005 02:17 PM
Yes, but the Arab[Western Asian] ancestry cannot account for the narrow features of Somalis. We can also argue that racially the early Western Asians were different than modern Arabs that currenly live in the Arabian Peninsula. Here is a citation that is relevent to Somalis and even southern Sudanese they claimed were hybrids:
Since face form is due to the interaction of the growth processes of several facial bones,and single feature is interacting forces. This is especially true of nose form,whose width is correlated with climate,as noted above ,but also with the size and proportion of the upper dental arch.As the palate gets wider,the nasal aperature becomes broader. The case of the Austrlian Aboriginees is a good example;though they live in a very dry area of the world,their noses are extremely broad ,and this dimension is related to the chewing process exerted on the velop. Also,prongnathism tends to be associated with a short borad nose,and significant correlation is found between the length of the skull base and nasal width. These factors of climatic influence and structural interrelationship suggest that human face form is extremely complex,numerous varible being invovled in growth and development. Conclusions should not be drawn about relationships between two populations on the basis of a similairty in structure ,because face form[like the small statue in pgymies and Negritos discussed above] develops according to local factors of natural selction. It is not ncessary to postulate migrations and intermixtures to explain similairites between populations,as once was done for the Nilotic face form found in groups like the Nuer,Shilluk,and others in Eastern Africa. At one time their long striaght noses were believed to be due to contact and interbreeding with caucasoid groups form Western Asia. subsequent genetic studies donot borne this theory out . No doubt,over a period of thousand years,contact with Western Asia populations has taken place and some interbreeding has resulted,but people with Nilotic face are the result of local selective forces acting on the population;it is not merely a matter of interbreeding between races.......""""" Page 63-64 Race,Types,and Ethnic Groups IP: Logged |
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Jizan Member Posts: 113 |
posted 06 June 2005 02:19 PM
southern sudanese like nuers etc dont look like somalis or ethiopians they look very different.and they look very negroid unlike ethiopians and somalis. [This message has been edited by Jizan (edited 06 June 2005).] IP: Logged |
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truelight Member Posts: 63 |
posted 06 June 2005 02:20 PM
quote: why does the same question keep coming up...somalia joined the arab league because they can...we don't have arab blood...don't tell me what blood runs through my veins [This message has been edited by truelight (edited 06 June 2005).] IP: Logged |
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Jizan Member Posts: 113 |
posted 06 June 2005 02:23 PM
i have a somali friend and he told me most somali tribes got arab ancestors. you must be hawiye, sab, gosha or jareer then? [This message has been edited by Jizan (edited 06 June 2005).] IP: Logged |
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truelight Member Posts: 63 |
posted 06 June 2005 02:24 PM
I AM XAWADLE GO ASK YOUR FRIEND WHAT THE XAWADLES ARE..IF HE IS SO SMART IP: Logged |
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ausar Moderator Posts: 4080 |
posted 06 June 2005 02:25 PM
However, there are southern Sudanese who have those same narrow facial features as Somails. This is why you cannot claim narrow features within Africans is from admixture with caucasoid groups. Here is some examples of just how diverse Southern Sudanese are:
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Jizan Member Posts: 113 |
posted 06 June 2005 02:30 PM
lol they look nothing like ethiopians and somalis. their features look very negroid not mixed or caucasoid looking to me like ethiopians and somalis. IP: Logged |
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ausar Moderator Posts: 4080 |
posted 06 June 2005 02:33 PM
Jizian, what are ''caucasian'' features? Some Ethiopians like the Amharan have admixture from Sabeans and Himyarite from Yemen. However, Somalis have negliable admixture from Arabs. Oromo people make up the majority of the Ethiopian people and are Cushic like Somalis are. IP: Logged |
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Jizan Member Posts: 113 |
posted 06 June 2005 02:40 PM
ausar like this this somali doesnt really look that negroid to me somali [This message has been edited by Jizan (edited 08 June 2005).] IP: Logged |
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ausar Moderator Posts: 4080 |
posted 06 June 2005 03:03 PM
I didn't ask for pictures. I asked for you to describe ''caucasoid'' features for me. What particularly about Somalis makes them hybrids? IP: Logged |
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Jizan Member Posts: 113 |
posted 06 June 2005 03:19 PM
hmmm i noticed most of them dont have nappy but curly, or wavy hair(''good hair''). IP: Logged |
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ausar Moderator Posts: 4080 |
posted 06 June 2005 03:32 PM
Those narrow facial features you describe are not due to admixture. Read the citation by Molnar I posted. Anthropologist used to classify people like Massai and southern Sudanese as caucasoid simply because their features didn't fit their definition.
Another explaination on why people from the Horn of Africa simply look different from other Africans might be due to the fact that genetically Eur-Asians share their early origins in eastern African instead of the opposite meaning Western Asians migrated into the Horn of Africa. IP: Logged |
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Jizan Member Posts: 113 |
posted 06 June 2005 03:45 PM
well i think horn africans are hybrids between -north-east africans(''caucasian'') i dont believe in that elongetated negroid stuff because they look nothing like masai's and southern sudanis.:s [This message has been edited by Jizan (edited 06 June 2005).] IP: Logged |
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Atheist Member Posts: 154 |
posted 06 June 2005 03:45 PM
Agreed I have heard from many resources how negroid features can be altered due to climate and diet over long period of time. I still can't believe people still have hard time realizing that indigenous Africans can differ in looks. "southern sudanese like nuers etc dont look like somalis or ethiopians they look very different.and they look very negroid unlike ethiopians and somalis."
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Jizan Member Posts: 113 |
posted 06 June 2005 03:47 PM
those are not cushitic or semitic ethiopians probably nilotes.
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bandon19 Junior Member Posts: 29 |
posted 06 June 2005 03:48 PM
caucasion is european not arab west asia. IP: Logged |
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ausar Moderator Posts: 4080 |
posted 06 June 2005 03:51 PM
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The facial features found in Somalis are found in most Nilotic groups you mentioned. If Somalis were originally Niloties then why no none speak the Nilo-Saharan language but Cushic language?
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Jizan Member Posts: 113 |
posted 06 June 2005 03:51 PM
what race are arabs then? in the 3 race sence. [This message has been edited by Jizan (edited 06 June 2005).] IP: Logged |
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ausar Moderator Posts: 4080 |
posted 06 June 2005 03:57 PM
quote: A more relevent question would be from where do the first Arabs originate. Do you have any ideas? IP: Logged |
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bandon19 Junior Member Posts: 29 |
posted 06 June 2005 03:57 PM
Jizan that lady iman is black and she dont lean towards caucasion. Im black and my family member come out dark and some light and even lighter then ivan but even the real light ones look more like negros then whites cause they dont have blond hair blue eyes lol. But 98 percent of my blood line comes from africa and the same a somilys just cause they have a little of something else dosent mean they arnt africans cause i could say the same for siccily i saw a documentary that none of thos people are pure blooded europeans but there europeans cause there in europe and the aregional siccilan is european. IP: Logged |
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