posted 07 June 2005 11:59 PM            

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Some northern somali clans have more Yemeni Admixture while southern tribes have some Bantu admixtrue etc.

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That seems not unreasonable. Although it sounds like a modified version of possibly less measured remarks to the effect that the Somali are genetically closer to Yemen than Kenya.

posted 07 June 2005 11:59 PM            

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Originally posted by AMR1:
Thought

MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF PEOPLE COULD HAVE BLACK GRAND FATHER AND DON'T LOOK BLACK AT ALL, BUT COULD EVEN LOOK EUROPEAN WHITE.

My first cousins are european white although our grandfather is darker than President Sadat and our great grandmother is even darker and her grandmother pure black.

i LIKE TO ADD THAT MY ROOM MATE IN HIGH SCHOOL, WAS AN ANGLO SAXON AMERICAN WHO I DISCOVERED IN GRADUATION DAY THAT HIS GRANDMOTHER IS LIGHT SKIN AFRICAN AMERICAN.

Thought, did not every one descended fron an African? So are we all Africans in this Earth. This defintion of yours is off.

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Our point exactly! Many modern day Egyptians don't resemble their ancestors who were pure black Africans!

posted 07 June 2005 11:59 PM            

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Originally posted by AMR1:

MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF PEOPLE COULD HAVE BLACK GRAND FATHER AND DON'T LOOK BLACK AT ALL, BUT COULD EVEN LOOK EUROPEAN WHITE.

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Thought Writes:

OK?

quote:

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Originally posted by AMR1:

My first cousins are european white although our grandfather is darker than President Sadat and our great grandmother is even darker and her grandmother pure black.

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Thought Writes:

What do you mean when you say that your great grandmother was "pure Black"? No one is pure anything.

quote:

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Originally posted by AMR1:

Thought, did not every one descended fron an African? So are we all Africans in this Earth.

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Thought Writes:

Yes we all came from an African at one point in time. No we are not all Africans because many of us have since adapted to other geographical landmasses in a genetic sense.

posted 08 June 2005 12:03 AM            

I dont agree that she is 100% negro (No africans ethnicity is 100% Negro not even the nilotes) but she is 100% AFRICAN lol. Theres a difference.

posted 08 June 2005 12:05 AM            

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Originally posted by Sanaag:
To the initial poster.. Iman Is 100% African.. Her looks are what the average Eastafrican woman looks like.

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SHOW ME ONE GOOD LOOKING WOMAN FROM THE CENTER OF AFRICA, IN THOSE COUNTRIES THAT HAD NOT INTERMINGLED WITH THE REST OF THE WORLD EXCEPT RECENTLY.

SHOWE ME ONE AFRICAN AMERICAN GOOD LOOKING PERSON WHO IS PURE AFRICAN.

You will find none

Let's face it if you are pure African, you are not good looking.

Give me one African American good looking man or woman and I assure you we will find you he has mix blood.

In fact the mixture of African with others, in many cases surpassed the most beautiful people you will find in Europe or Asia.

AFRICANS ARE BEST WHEN MIXED.

posted 08 June 2005 12:05 AM            

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Originally posted by Sanaag:

I dont agree that she is 100% negro (No africans ethnicity is 100% Negro not even the nilotes) but she is 100% AFRICAN lol. Theres a difference.

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Thought Writes:

Sanaag, what is a Negro and what is the difference between a Negro and a African?

posted 08 June 2005 12:06 AM            

Saang, since you are a indigenous Somali I suggest you take action and find Somali geneticist or just random European geneticist and question their results. If you can collect samples of Somalis and publish them in a journal.

posted 08 June 2005 12:07 AM            

Saang, since you are a indigenous Somali I suggest you take action and find Somali geneticist or just random European geneticist and question their results. If you can collect samples of Somalis and publish them in a journal.

posted 08 June 2005 12:07 AM            

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Originally posted by Sanaag:

What irritated me was that people were willing to go from one extreme (claiming that somalis are heavily mixed) to another (claiming that somalis had no interactions with foreigners and there no sizeable admixture) which would ultimately mean that Somali Oral History is basically nothing but a buch of BS.

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Who made the extreme argument that Somalis have no admixture?

posted 08 June 2005 12:08 AM            

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Originally posted by Sanaag:
To the initial poster.. Iman Is 100% African.. Her looks are what the average Eastafrican woman looks like.. and her beauty has nothing to do with foreign admixture in my opinion... saying that would mean that an African can not be beautifull without heave foreign admixture which is complete nonsense.

What irritated me was that people were willing to go from one extreme (claiming that somalis are heavily mixed) to another (claiming that somalis had no interactions with foreigners and there no sizeable admixture) which would ultimately mean that Somali Oral History is basically nothing but a buch of BS. ALso yet unheard of linkages to Dinka's and other African groups with home we share no land.. thats why I merely raised a question about how Some northern somali clans have more Yemeni Admixture while southern tribes have some Bantu admixtrue etc.

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100% East African Beauty. Thank you for finally reading some of the thread.

posted 08 June 2005 12:09 AM            

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Originally posted by AMR1:

AFRICANS ARE BEST WHEN MIXED.

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Thought Writes:

AMR1, you have some deeply rooted psychological issues that I pray (as in a meditative desire)you find peace with. There is really no need for you or I to interact any further on this forum for as it says in the Bible:

"A wise man does not cast his jewels before the swine..."

posted 08 June 2005 12:11 AM            

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Originally posted by Sanaag:
A negro is somebody with black skin.. An african is some1 from a country that is situated in Africa.. Are you going somewhere with this?

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posted 08 June 2005 12:12 AM            

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1Arm writes: Africans are best when mixed

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Prove it. You're 'mixed' right?

Then, what's taking so long.......?

posted 08 June 2005 12:13 AM            

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Originally posted by ausar:

Remember most tests don't tell us about ancient history but really about recent migrations.

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Thought Writes:

That is partially true, but to a great extent simplistic. Genetics should be utilized as a tool IN CONJUNCTION with other forms of evidence to establish historical chronology. As I have stated before, those who have a subversive Eurocentric agenda will simply reject science when it does not fit well with their preconcieved notions of histiography.

posted 08 June 2005 12:15 AM            

THIS PICTURE IS FABRICATED. AE treated Nubians so bad that when the Nubians entered Egypt and made themselves the 25th dynasty THEY tried to humiliate Egyptians.

So no way in earth would egyptians portray themselves identical to Nubians in person and clothing like they were twins.

posted 08 June 2005 12:16 AM            

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Originally posted by AMR1:
SHOW ME ONE GOOD LOOKING WOMAN FROM THE CENTER OF AFRICA, IN THOSE COUNTRIES THAT HAD NOT INTERMINGLED WITH THE REST OF THE WORLD EXCEPT RECENTLY.

SHOWE ME ONE AFRICAN AMERICAN GOOD LOOKING PERSON WHO IS PURE AFRICAN.

You will find none

Let's face it if you are pure African, you are not good looking...

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AMR, this is one of the most racist things I've heard! Since when does a person of African descent have to have mixed ancestry to be 'good-looking'?

I have seen footage recently on the Travel Channel of rural African tribes and many of the women there look a lot better than most African Americans I've seen who are of mixed descent!!

This is the kind of mentality that sadly many Asians have nowadays. There are Asians that are trying to aquire more 'Western' looks and so many, mainly women, are getting plastic surgery to get more 'caucasian' looks!

You can't imagine how ashamed I am to hear how one of the main reasons why many Filipina women are marrying white guys is to have "beautiful children" like pure Filipino children are not as good looking?!

Like I said, you are one mixed-up, messed up, f*****up in the head, fool!!

posted 08 June 2005 12:17 AM            

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Originally posted by Sanaag:

A negro is somebody with black skin.. An african is some1 from a country that is situated in Africa.. Are you going somewhere with this?

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Thought Writes:

I am going somewhere. But before I get there please allow me to Cherry-Pick a bit more....

I have never seen ANYONE with Black skin. Most of the Africans I have seen have grades of brownish levels of melanin. Do you have any examples of people who literally have Black skin?

posted 08 June 2005 12:18 AM            

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Originally posted by AMR1:
THIS PICTURE IS FABRICATED.

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posted 08 June 2005 12:22 AM            

WHERE IS IT LOCATED IN REAL LIFE.

posted 08 June 2005 12:24 AM            

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Originally posted by AMR1:
THIS PICTURE IS FABRICATED.

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Proof?

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AE treated Nubians so bad that when the Nubians entered Egypt and made themselves the 25th dynasty THEY tried to humiliate Egyptians.

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We're still waiting for your evidence. Where is it?

Are you sure you're mixed and not just - mixed up?

posted 08 June 2005 12:24 AM            

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Originally posted by AMR1:
rasol

THIS PICTURE IS FABRICATED. AE treated Nubians so bad that when the Nubians entered Egypt and made themselves the 25th dynasty THEY tried to humiliate Egyptians.

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It depends on the time period and which Nubians, fool! Nubians were not one people but consisted of different groups. Some were enemies of the Egyptians others were allies!!

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So no way in earth would egyptians portray themselves identical to Nubians in person and clothing like they were twins.

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Why not, some Egyptians even modern day Fellahin are just as dark as Nubians!

posted 08 June 2005 12:26 AM            

Keep in mind that there is no written history on somalis that is older than approximate a thousand years. This means that modern day somalia was even controled by the Abyssinian kingdom at one point.

Somalis cluster with Oromo's and Afars of Ethiopia and the Beja of Northern Sudan way more than they do with the Habesha of both Eritrea and Ethiopia (Tigrinya, Amhara, Tigray etc..).. Some Somali clan can trace their lineage to one arabic patriarch who came to spread Islam to the inhabitants of modern day somalia and married some native Oromo women.. while others are direct descendats of the Oromo (this includes the Rahanweyn clans who speak a language that is different than somali)..

One of these clans (the Darood Clan) Traces the origin of its patriarch to Yemen..There is another tribe called Ishaaq.. I am not sure about where they trace the origin of their patriarch but I know that he is burried in the northern City of Erigavo and there is even an ancient tomb that is built for him in that city.. Darood is burried in Heylaan which is also a northern city and his grave is guarded by some of his alleged descendants.. All I know is that it can impossibly be a coincidence that these men are burried in the northern somali coast. And that some Oromo traditions correlate with some parts of Somali Oral History..

posted 08 June 2005 12:29 AM            

Posted earlier by Ausar:

THE 25 DYNASTY: Egyptians welcomed the Nubians. -

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Originally posted by ausar:
Here are some explanation of the affinities between the Nubians and Upper Egyptians. The affinities was through Amun that was noticed around the New Kingdom. Amun is believed to have been introduced into ancient Kmt around the 12th dyansty,and this dyansty most likely had a Nubian origin. See the following:

[b]Thutmose III, the Egyptians discovered that the Kushites around
Napata-Gebel Barqal worshipped a ram deity, and voila, there arose
religious symbiosis, for was not Amun of Karnak also worshipped in ram
form? Thutmose III promptly built a temple to Amun of Napata in ram form
below Gebel Barqal, and suddenly the Nubians were co-religionists. This
led eventually after the collapse of the New Kingdom, to the rise of the
Napatan Kushite state in the 8th-9th centuries B.C. Worshipping Amun,
they penetrated Egypt, and the Thebans saw them as saviors. So alone
among foreigners, the Kushites when they occupied Memphis and sat on the
throne of the pharaohs were acknowledged as true pharaohs.

The Neo-Assyrians at the peak of their power conflicted over Egypt with
Taharqa, perhaps the greatest of the Dynasty 25 Kushite rulers. The Delta
Egyptians though found Taharqa's yoke milder than that of the Assyrians
and so between 671 and 664 when Taharqa died, they repeatedly clashed
over Lower Egypt. Tanutamani succeeded Taharqa, and when he attacked
Memphis and took it, Asshurbanipal the Assyrian King decided to punish
Thebes for its ardent support of the Kushites, by sacking it. The Thebans
though continued to acknowledge Tanutamani to his 8th regnal year, 656
B.C. Only after this, slowly, the Saites whom Asshurbanipal brought to\
power as his vassals assumed control over Thebes. The Saites were uneasy
with the Napatan Kushites, for the Kushites continued to claim Egypt,
and in 593, Psamtik II marched against Napata with an Egyptian and a Greek
mercenary army. The Persians who conquered the Saites in 525 B.C. tried
to conquer the Kushites, but failed utterly. Later, the Ptolemies reached
an accomodation with the Meroitic Kushites as they were now known after
shifting their capital to Meroe. The Meroitic Kingdom though outlasted
the Ptolemies, and briefly fought the Romans for Egypt, but again the
Romans could not conquer Meroe. This the Meroitic Kingdom survived for
over a thousand years, finally expiring around 300 A.D. They worshipped
Amun to the end, but after the move to Meroe, the culture became more
distinctly Nubian, and developed its own Meroitic script also.

The Greco-Roman world greatly admired the Kushites as the one people no
one had been able to conquer, and the Jews also admired them, for Shabaka
and Taharqa had saved Hezekiah from certain death at the hands of the Neo-
Assyrians in 701 B.C., and later Ebed-melekh, a Kushite in the service
of the court in Israel, saved Jeremiah the Prophet when his political
foes cast him down a dry well shaft. Even in the New Testament a Meroitic
envoy was at Pentecost.

Most sincerely,

Frank J. Yurco
University of Chicago

--
Frank Joseph Yurco fjyurco@midway.uchicago.edu

The God Wives of Amun stayed in Upper Egypt ruling.

[/B]

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posted 08 June 2005 12:29 AM            

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posted 08 June 2005 12:30 AM            

She is black because she has medium to dark brown skin. She is African because she and her ancestors have PREDOMINANTLY AFRICAN blood in them. Therefore she is a black African, period, mixed, unmixed or otherwise.

AMR1, since when did black have anything to do with anything OTHER than skin color and being from Africa. If you have dark brown skin and are from Africa, you are a BLACK AFRICAN. What part of that don't you understand?

I know, don't answer the question. Bring up useless stories about relatives, aunts and uncles, religion, politics and any other B.S. that you want.

I JUST WANT SOMEONE TO STOP THE B.S. AND SHOW ME HOW A DARK BROWN SKINNED AFRICAN IS NOT A BLACK AFRICAN AND SHOW ME THE EVIDENCE THAT BLACK DOES NOT MEAN BROWN SKINNED PERSON FROM AFRICA. IS THAT HARD?

Stop playing dumb games and beating around the bush. Black means black skin and African ancestry and has nothing to do with religion, culture, politics, buying, selling, running, walking, waking up, going to sleep, standing up, sitting down, eating dinner, washing clothes, reading a book, watching TV, going to the movies, wondering out loud, acting goofy, being serious, talking trash, thinking up stuff, acting silly, being retarded, cutting farts, stinking, shaving your head, feeling down, acting a clown, beefing up, slowing down, running around, walking straight, showing the way, bringing the light, beating the game, swimming upstream, beating the odds, running the gauntlet, splitting hairs, ironing out fabric, beating stones, touching your toes, scratching your ass, licking a stamp, ripping a page, screwing your wife, going to a funeral, graduating from college, waking up dead, understanding relativaty, making up spam, drawing out maps, digesting a sandwich, leafing through a magazine, shooting at the stars, blowing up bombs or anything else................................................................................................................................................................................ ...................................................................................................................................................................................

Get to the point! Somalis are BLACK AFRICANS, period. IF YOU DONT AGREE, FIRST LOOK UP THE DEFINITION OF BLACK AND THEN LOOK UP THE DEFINITION OF AFRICAN.

Here is a CLUE:::::::

TO WIN THE GAME YOU MUST SHOW THAT:

1. SOMALIS HAVE NO AFRICAN BLOOD

= AND =

2. ARE NOT BROWN SKINNED.

posted 08 June 2005 12:31 AM            

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Originally posted by multisphinx:

Their are some whom are mixed from foriegn populations the settled in Somalia, but most are unmixed ppl.

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Thought Writes:

Can you provide ANY evidence to prove that ANYONE was EVER unmixed? This is rooted in racial thinking.

posted 08 June 2005 12:39 AM            

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Originally posted by Doug M:
What is the point though?

She is black because she has medium to dark brown skin. She is African because she and her ancestors have PREDOMINANTLY AFRICAN blood in them. Therefore she is a black African, period, mixed, unmixed or otherwise.

AMR1, since when did black have anything to do with anything OTHER than skin color and being from Africa. If you have dark brown skin and are from Africa, you are a BLACK AFRICAN. What part of that don't you understand?

I know, don't answer the question. Bring up useless stories about relatives, aunts and uncles, religion, politics and any other B.S. that you want.

I JUST WANT SOMEONE TO STOP THE B.S. AND SHOW ME HOW A DARK BROWN SKINNED AFRICAN IS NOT A BLACK AFRICAN AND SHOW ME THE EVIDENCE THAT BLACK DOES NOT MEAN BROWN SKINNED PERSON FROM AFRICA. IS THAT HARD?

Stop playing dumb games and beating around the bush. Black means black skin and African ancestry and has nothing to do with religion, culture, politics, buying, selling, running, walking, waking up, going to sleep, standing up, sitting down, eating dinner, washing clothes, reading a book, watching TV, going to the movies, wondering out loud, acting goofy, being serious, talking trash, thinking up stuff, acting silly, being retarded, cutting farts, stinking, shaving your head, feeling down, acting a clown, beefing up, slowing down, running around, walking straight, showing the way, bringing the light, beating the game, swimming upstream, beating the odds, running the gauntlet, splitting hairs, ironing out fabric, beating stones, touching your toes, scratching your ass, licking a stamp, ripping a page, screwing your wife, going to a funeral, graduating from college, waking up dead, understanding relativaty, making up spam, drawing out maps, digesting a sandwich, leafing through a magazine, shooting at the stars, blowing up bombs or anything else................................................................................................................................................................................ ...................................................................................................................................................................................

Get to the point! Somalis are BLACK AFRICANS, period. IF YOU DONT AGREE, FIRST LOOK UP THE DEFINITION OF BLACK AND THEN LOOK UP THE DEFINITION OF AFRICAN.

Here is a CLUE:::::::

TO WIN THE GAME YOU MUST SHOW THAT:

1. SOMALIS HAVE NO AFRICAN BLOOD

= AND =

2. ARE NOT BROWN SKINNED.

THOSE ARE THE RULES......

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Doug, you are dealing with a psychopath who thinks being "mixed" is better!!

He cannot understand because he refuses to!

posted 08 June 2005 12:40 AM            

Suddenly all these people who have never stepped foot in Somalia are acting as if they know us.

If it makes anybody feel any better we are full 100% Dinka, Bantu, Black whatever you like. Just don't expect us a Somali in real life to take you seriously.

For those people who think that Somalis are some atypical group and that all Africans are together, you got issues. The only Bantu my ancestors in came in contact with were the ones they shipped of Zaylac which is the northern coast, my great great grand father was a governor there, so if you call that contact between group.

So let me get this right, a few internet flunkies think they know more about Somalis than an actual Somalis. LMAO

posted 08 June 2005 12:41 AM            

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Originally posted by rasol:

Are you sure you're mixed and not just - mixed up?

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posted 08 June 2005 12:43 AM            

I lived in Somalia in 1974-1975.

This people a 1/2Korean and a Jew and I don't know what and they are interested in East AND North Africa and talk about africa as if they know us better and want us by hook or crook to be one with the rest of black africa.

Very strange

posted 08 June 2005 12:45 AM            

He claims that no pure black Africans can be good looking, including Somalis, if they are not mixed!

posted 08 June 2005 12:48 AM            

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Originally posted by AMR1:
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Your link is broken as is your logic.

We have requested specific proof regarding the 22nd Dynasty Mural. You claim it is not authentic....where is your proof?

Do not attempt to change the subject to the 25 dynasty, Rameses III hair, or other paintings, unless your only intention is to prove how 'mixed-up' you are. lol.

ACTUAL 1995 PHOTOS FROM THE TOMB SCENE IN EGYPT

Rm.t, the Ancient Egyptians.

The "Table of Nations" scene in the Ramses III tomb (KV 11) was painted by the ancient *royal artists* themselves and thus it presents undeniable objective evidence of how the African people of Egypt chose to present themselves in this scene. There are black skinned images of ancient Egyptians in every major period and in every region of the country, but only in tomb KV 11 do the Egyptians present themselves as *completely identical* in skin tone AND attire to other black Africans (Nubians). These KV 11 images stunned Euro-American scholars and writers who have tried to falsely separate the Egyptians from other black Africans. The Sethe/Lepsius reproduction version of the "Table of Nations" is ACCURATE in both the representation of the images and the positioning of the texts - Professor Ampim

Well 1 Arm, you can change the subject, but can you address the evidence?

posted 08 June 2005 12:49 AM            

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Originally posted by Makaahil:

Sanaag; Our awoowes didn't even know what bantus were they knew about the slaves they shipped, they just called them adoon. LOL

Suddenly all these people who have never stepped foot in Somalia are acting as if they know us.

If it makes anybody feel any better we are full 100% Dinka, Bantu, Black whatever you like. Just don't expect us a Somali in real life to take you seriously.

For those people who think that Somalis are some atypical group and that all Africans are together, you got issues. The only Bantu my ancestors in came in contact with were the ones they shipped of Zaylac which is the northern coast, my great great grand father was a governor there, so if you call that contact between group.

So let me get this right, a few internet flunkies think they know more about Somalis than an actual Somalis. LMAO

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Thought Writes:

1) It sounds like you are taking PRIDE in the enslavement of another human being. If such is the case I imagine that your soul is depleted.

2) The point is that genetically (which is the basis of lineage) the evidence indicates that Somalians are closer to other Africans than to Arabs.

posted 08 June 2005 12:50 AM            

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Originally posted by AMR1:
YOU PROVE IT.

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I didn't deny its existence, because its existence is well documented, along with photographs. Since you questioned what you are literally seeing in front of you, the sole responsibility lies on your shoulders, to support your position!

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WHERE IS IT LOCATED IN REAL LIFE.

SO I CAN GO AND SEE IT.

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Then try this:

Structure: KV 11
Location: Valley of the Kings, East Valley, Thebes West Bank, Thebes
Owner: Rameses III

posted 08 June 2005 12:52 AM            

Here is a CLUE:::::::

TO WIN THE GAME YOU MUST SHOW THAT:

1. SOMALIS HAVE NO AFRICAN BLOOD

= AND =

2. ARE NOT BROWN SKINNED.

THOSE ARE THE RULES......

REMEMBER THE RULES?

WHERE IS IT SCIENTIFICALLY STATED THAT IN ORDER FOR SOMEONE TO BE AFRICAN AND BLACK THEY HAD TO BE A DINKA? SINCE WHEN WAS THAT THE ISSUE?

Come on people it is not that hard, stop showing your ignorance and get to the point.

Disprove the following:

BROWN SKIN (OF ALL SHADES) IS A TRAIT COMMONLY ASSOCIATED WITH BLACKNESS, ESPECIALLY IF IT IS DUE TO THE BLOOD OF AFRICANS.

This funny. AMR1 and others will keep trying to TAKE A SIMPLE CONCEPT and twist it into every single variation they possibly can. Stick to the argument. What is black? What is African?

Pictures are NOT NECESSARY.

USE THE DICTIONARY AND ENCYCLOPEDIA AND LOOK UP THE WORDS. STOP WITH THE B**!SH#T ATTEMPTS TO SPAM THE THREAD WITH NONSENSE AND ANSWER THE QUESTION?

HOW DO SOMALIS NOT FIT THE DICTIONARY AND ENCYCLOPEDIA DEFINITION OF BLACK AND AFRICAN?

posted 08 June 2005 12:56 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Thought2:
Thought Writes:

1) It sounds like you are taking PRIDE in the enslavement of another human being. If such is the case I imagine that your soul is depleted.

2) The point is that genetically (which is the basis of lineage) the evidence indicates that Somalians are closer to other Africans than to Arabs.

3) Yes, when it comes to the issue of genetics I beleive that Americans have more knowledge of Somali lineage than Somali's. Why, because most Somali's and most other Africans probably do not have the same level of access to modern information that people from Europe and the USA have.

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Garxajis Sheekh Isaxaaq writes:

1) I don't take pride in something my ancestors did, slavery was a means of business.

2) I never said I was closer to an Arab than an African, I just happen to descend from one.

3) A good portion of Americans don't know who their fathers are, they don't who their grand parents are. Somalis like me on the other hand can go back to a patriarch 700 years ago and I could go visit his tomb on the coast. Americans don't have the culture and morals to have kids when they are married and tell them their history.

posted 08 June 2005 12:57 AM            

but people like AMR do not appreciate that, they want to claim everyone as "mixed" if they are beautiful, intelligent, or created an advanced civilization!!

posted 08 June 2005 12:58 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Sanaag:


But you know what I mean by "black".. it is term that is commonly used to describe people of Negroid descent. Why are you playing dumb or something?

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Thought Writes:

It is not so much that I am "Playing Dumb", it's that I think that you ARE DUMB/IGNORANT?UNEDUCATED, etc. when it comes to this issue.
Black is not a skin color and the people that you posted the image of are not Black, though very dark. Negroid is a throwback term not used much anymore. I wonder how a Somali would pick up on such a outdated term. Are you REALLY Somalian or some white guy atempting to pretend to be an ignorant Somali? If you are a white guy joking and "playing dumb" I have no tolerance. If you really are a Somalian then I pity you and will continue to work with you to get you up to the educational standard I want to see for every Black brotha.

The Somalians are simply one member of the Black African family base upon current scientific knowledge. No more no less.

posted 08 June 2005 12:59 AM            

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Originally posted by rasol:
Your link is broken as is your logic.

We have requested specific proof regarding the 22nd Dynasty Mural. You claim it is not authentic....where is your proof?

Do not attempt to change the subject to the 25 dynasty, Rameses III hair, or other paintings, unless your only intention is to prove how 'mixed-up' you are. lol.

ACTUAL 1995 PHOTOS FROM THE TOMB SCENE IN EGYPT

Rm.t, the Ancient Egyptians.

The "Table of Nations" scene in the Ramses III tomb (KV 11) was painted by the ancient *royal artists* themselves and thus it presents undeniable objective evidence of how the African people of Egypt chose to present themselves in this scene. There are black skinned images of ancient Egyptians in every major period and in every region of the country, but only in tomb KV 11 do the Egyptians present themselves as *completely identical* in skin tone AND attire to other black Africans (Nubians). These KV 11 images stunned Euro-American scholars and writers who have tried to falsely separate the Egyptians from other black Africans. The Sethe/Lepsius reproduction version of the "Table of Nations" is ACCURATE in both the representation of the images and the positioning of the texts - Professor Ampim

Well 1 Arm, you can change the subject, but can you address the evidence?

What's taking so long?

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i saw that picture and the Egyptian person was brown , not like the reconstruction you have.

You got it from those nuts , the afro centric web sites. Go and visit Egypt and look at the picture with your own eyes.

posted 08 June 2005 01:00 AM            

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Originally posted by Sanaag:
Thats why I get mad when ppl try to lump us with Bantu's and people we dont share anything with except that we are africans like them lol.

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I know that this will go against your wishes, but the Somalis and Bantus have genetic relationship via the PN2 Clad. And like you said, you are all Africans. African groups may have their own distinct cultures or physical variations, but this bond will always exist.

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sanaag:
I didnt know somali Bantu's even existed before I came to the western world thats how far away my people live from them lol..

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Well, now that you've been educated on the issue, has this opened your mind to some degree?