posted 07 June 2005 06:54 AM            

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Originally posted by Doug M:

The word caucasian is no longer used as a scientific term for describing race because race has traditionally been identified by SKIN COLOR not PHENOTYPE. Therefore, the term is no longer used in a scientific fashion as a true racial category.

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Good post Doug. skin color is one aspect of phenotype - or physical appearance.

what has destroyed the notion of caucasoid, is the desparate attempt of Eurocentrists to apply the term to peoples who are not biologically related to themselves, in a desparate attempt to avoid the reality of the marginalisation and insignificance of 'whiteness'.

blumenbach invented the now descredited concept of caucasian race in order to assert that white peoples were the 1st peoples created, and therefor the 'purest', while others were 'degenerate'.....this is where the NAZI's got the concept of 'Jewish degeneracy', for example.

seligman and others, decided to expand the notion of caucasian to include the people who were being gassed by the NAZI's, as a counter to Europes intercene murderous racism.

in order to do this the concept was made to incorporate a long list essentially unrelated peoples, including even some southern Sudanese groups, seen as having curly hair or less prognathesism or longer faces, and called [meditteranian] - as Ausar correctly demonstrated:

ironically, in one sense, the NAZI's were 'right'. by expanding the concept of caucasoid so as to include people who are ever more obviously....NOT, ultimately Seligman actually helped to undermine it.

so even current Eurocentrist anthropologist like Loring Brace, have adandoned the concept of caucasoid.

note then that those who traffic in this concept will either provide no evidence like JiZam, refer to long outdated data, or distort information, like Dienekes "i can't accept my east african genes" Pontikos.

posted 07 June 2005 07:08 AM            

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What the hell are you talking about

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lol. we're talking about how stupid you are. you are providing the evidence:

case in point....

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Anyway Ethiopian jews are jewish descends.

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Jew is not a race and not principally a line of descent. Idiot.

These data, together with those reported elsewhere (Ritte et al. 1993a, 1993b; Hammer et al. 2000) suggest that the Ethiopian Jews acquired their religion without substantial genetic admixture from Middle Eastern peoples and that they can be considered an ethnic group with essentially a continental African genetic composition. - Cruciani, et. al.

Since you are intent on being stupid, I will talk down to you: The above from Cruciani means Ethiopian Jews are of African, not "mid-eastern" descent. Many Jews and probably most Arabs are more 'MIXED', than Ethiopian Jews. Your Arabs in South Arabia have 'west african' lineages and 'west african' sickle cell.

confirm/deny?

Stomp your hoof once to confirm, twice to deny.

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elongated negroids

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You people use the worst examples to disprove my points.

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with curly hair

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still waiting

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Yes, we are...

confirm/deny?

But soon, we'll grow tired of waiting.....but you'll still be ignorant

And there's the difference.

Hope this helps.

posted 07 June 2005 07:31 AM            

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Jew is not a line of descent idiot.

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Dude, They descent from Jews.Or at least they have one jewish or some jewish ancestor(s).

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....is not a concept in modern bioanthropology, [more stupidity from you], elongated Africans, which include Oromo, Borana, Masai, Bahima, Tutsi, IS such a concept.

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Elongated Africans=bullshit term, because Nilotes, Fulanis,Tutsi's and Masai's look very negroid.
Only some Tutsis and Masai's look Aethiopid because those are mixed with Aethiopids but the rest looks very negroid.

Tutsi

(very Bambutid mixed with minor Aethiopid)

Masai

very negroid.

Sudanese Nilote

very negroid.

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Oromo

Hmmm....pure negroids...?

Somali

Hmmm....pure negroid...?

posted 07 June 2005 07:42 AM            

stomp once for yes, twice for no....

confirm deny?

These data, together with those reported elsewhere (Ritte et al. 1993a, 1993b; Hammer et al. 2000) suggest that the Ethiopian Jews acquired their religion without substantial genetic admixture from Middle Eastern peoples and that they can be considered an ethnic group with essentially a continental African genetic composition. - Cruciani, et. al.

confirm/deny?

Jizam should worry less about curly hair, and more about the empty space between his ears. lol.

posted 07 June 2005 08:09 AM            

Aethiopid === (''Elongated Negroid'')

posted 07 June 2005 08:19 AM            

It's all you can do as you have no answers.

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Originally posted by rasol:
tsk tsk JiZam, let's try this once more....

stomp once for yes, twice for no....

confirm deny?

These data, together with those reported elsewhere (Ritte et al. 1993a, 1993b; Hammer et al. 2000) suggest that the Ethiopian Jews acquired their religion without substantial genetic admixture from Middle Eastern peoples and that they can be considered an ethnic group with essentially a continental African genetic composition. - Cruciani, et. al.

confirm/deny?

Jizam should worry less about curly hair, and more about the empty space between his ears. lol.

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posted 07 June 2005 08:48 AM            

Some ancient Egyptians women 4000 years ago were coloured almost white. I can not expect those were pure Africans and that the envioronment in Egypt is the reason they were almost that white and with such hair.

There is limits for the different shades of the so called pure African.

I am certain with more DNA testing in the future, we will find all the founders of the civilization of Egypt, East and North Africa were never pure Africans from around 7000 - 10000 years ago.

posted 07 June 2005 08:55 AM            

The unmatching Beauty of coloured people is due to mix races.

WE WILL GO AND CHECK HER BACKGROUND AND WE WILL FIND EITHER WHITE OR RED INDIAN IN HER.

posted 07 June 2005 10:23 AM            

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Originally posted by AMR1:
I challenge any one here to post some beautiful african american women and call them pure.

The unmatching Beauty of coloured people is due to mix races.

WE WILL GO AND CHECK HER BACKGROUND AND WE WILL FIND EITHER WHITE OR RED INDIAN IN HER.

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you damn racist,what are you trying to say?
are you saying that if a black woman looks like a 9,10 or 10+ she has to have some mixture?now i know you are a self hating fool.
there are many black women on the same level of beauty that are unmixed in america ,africa and else where that have no mixture,so get out of here with that crap.

posted 07 June 2005 10:33 AM            

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Originally posted by kenndo:
you damn racist,what are you trying to say?
are saying that if a blac woman looks like a 9,10 or 10+ she has to have some mixture?now i know you are a self hating fool.
there are many black women on the same level of beauty that are unmixed in america ,africa and else where that have no mixture,so get out of here with that crap.

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For me Halle Perry is a beauty, Nicole Kidman or the southern Sudanese Alek wek are nothing special. May be because I am from a mixed race myself, may be a southern Sudanese will see alek wek a beauty and an australian will see Nicole as the best of them.

posted 07 June 2005 10:46 AM            

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Originally posted by AMR1:
For me Halle Perry is a beauty, Nicole Kidman or the southern Sudanese Alek wek are nothing special. May be because I am from a mixed race myself, may be a southern Sudanese will see alek wek a beauty and an australian will see Nicole as the best of them.

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i seen many black women around my block that are just as good looking as halle berry or better looking.halle berry is not the only famous black lady.i saw alot of black who were just as gooding looking or better looking when i saw some films from senegal,nigeria and south africa.
there are plenty of black women you do not get the air play as much as halle berry but they are just as fine or better looking.
i seen a black woman from the west indies that was darker than halle but look almost like her and she was unmixed.in other words when folks first saw halle now one had no idea is was half white.she just look black to many,and she still does,but lately i think her skin tone got lighter and i think she had a nose job.

there are many black women of all shades that are just as gooding looking are better looking and are unmixed blacks, those with only some mixture or little mixture.

there are many black women that are a 6,7, and 8 and alot of them are unmixed and some have some form of mixture.
only a 5 or 4 would be plain looking.
a 6 to 7 would be good looking,8 to 9 would be hot and 10-very hot,10+ super hot,of course i have only black women that could reach a 10.7 to 10.9 in beauty,and they could be unmixed and those with some form of mixture.

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posted 07 June 2005 11:00 AM            

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Originally posted by AMR1:
Some want to claim that Africans, come in all shadhes of colour, that is right but to call people "pure" and those have soft hair Like Iman, the somalian model or Nefertiti's generation {who have very soft or curly hair} which were found as mummies as pure black that is nonsense.

Some ancient Egyptians women 4000 years ago were coloured almost white. I can not expect those were pure Africans and that the envioronment in Egypt is the reason they were almost that white and with such hair.

There is limits for the different shades of the so called pure African.

I am certain with more DNA testing in the future, we will find all the founders of the civilization of Egypt, East and North Africa were never pure Africans from around 7000 - 10000 years ago.

Regards,

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Some want to claim that Africans, come in all shadhes of colour, that is right but to call people "pure" and those have soft hair Like Iman, the somalian model or Nefertiti's generation {who have very soft or curly hair} which were found as mummies as pure black that is nonsense.

Some ancient Egyptians women 4000 years ago were coloured almost white. I can not expect those were pure Africans and that the envioronment in Egypt is the reason they were almost that white and with such hair.

There is limits for the different shades of the so called pure African.

I am certain with more DNA testing in the future, we will find all the founders of the civilization of Egypt, East and North Africa were never pure Africans from around 7000 - 10000 years ago.

Regards,

they have checked already,so you see you need to get updated .the ancient nubians of east africa were unmixed and created nubian civilization without any other help from other races and founders of the other early east african cultures too.
you could count upper egypt and middle egyptin there.

posted 07 June 2005 11:03 AM            

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Originally posted by Jizan:
That girl does not have curly hair at all but nappy brillo like hair, Rasoul you are seriously blind.
And [b]she looks very negroid.You people use the worst examples to disprove my points.

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that is not a girl.

posted 07 June 2005 11:05 AM            

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are you saying that if a black woman looks like a 9,10 or 10+ she has to have some mixture?now i know you are a self hating fool.

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lol. well said kenndo.

Amr raises the straw argument of racial purity in the nile valley, when biology has proven 'pure-race' constructs are fallacious.

Therefore Amr's attempt to divide Africans into two groups: the mixed, and the "unmixed" is untenable.

Nile Valley civilisation is African in origin, biologically and culturally, in the same sense that Roman civilisation is European. And the Km.t[rm.t] referred to themselves as Blacks, in the same sense that Iman or Nelson Mandela refer to themselves as Blacks, and the same sense that Europeans came to refer to themselves as whites.

Amr's quaint and pseuoscientific ideas of mixed and pure races reflects his own identity confusion.

posted 07 June 2005 11:42 AM            

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Originally posted by Jizan:
...And where are those elongated negroids at with non-nappy hair?..Still waiting.

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The bafoon can't understand that Ethiopians and Somalis are elongated negroids!!

He is wasting his thought processes

posted 07 June 2005 11:47 AM            

You have much patience. I am just puzzled as to why the points you make over and over never seems to sink in. Is it that old habits of thought are discared only with difficulty or is that to accept scientific views on race could lead to identity disorders--so therefore to maintain the status quo cognitive dissonance kicks in?

What people fail to understand is that to have a pure type in humans would require a multiregional origination of humans. But if there's a single source the idea of pure type becomes absurd.

The I have noticed that posters don't seem to understand that the desigantion of "more negroid" or "less negroid" to individual phenotypes is purely arbitrary. There's nothing objective in the observed phenotype that would prompt observers to make the claims they make at all.

People fail to understand that traits are to be explained only in terms of ecological adaptation, genetic drift, assorted mating and just sheer contingency. To believe otherwise is to assume that there's some God of genetics hiding somewhere who has designated a priori that such and such phenoytpe is "pure negroid" but that such and such is not.

RIDDLE OF THE SPHINX

posted 07 June 2005 11:47 AM            

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Originally posted by osirion:

Of course not. The picture spamming is very selective. Doesn't really prove a thing. Just if you take off all the makeup Iman wears and put her in traditional clothes, she looks like most East Africans. The forehead and high cheeks are very East African. Europeans, because they are much more acquainted with West Africans from very tropical areas, have this bad sterotype of Blacks as looking all alike and if they are different its due to admixture from slavery times. This is not the case at all in Africa.

I use to think so but I have been to these countries in Eastern Africa and the people are clearly different based on the region they live in - adaptation. Sure there's some foreign genetic flow but it is rather obvious and quite minimal. There's a big difference between the climate in Ethiopia compared to Ghana! They eat different types of foods and so on.

But there is a point to make for admixture to some degree considering how much of the Arabian penninsula Aksum (Ethiopia) controlled between 100 BC up until the Islamic revolutions.
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Indeed, The only major foreign genetic influence on Ethiopia were the Sabeans of Southern Arabia and their modern ancestors are the Amhara and Tigre peoples, all the other Ethiopian groups have nil to no admixure whatsover!

Jizz**** can't get it through his head that so-called "caucasian" features are not really caucasian!!!!

Stupid. *sigh*

posted 07 June 2005 11:56 AM            

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Originally posted by AMR1:
I challenge any one here to post some beautiful african american women and call them pure.

The unmatching Beauty of coloured people is due to mix races.

WE WILL GO AND CHECK HER BACKGROUND AND WE WILL FIND EITHER WHITE OR RED INDIAN IN HER.

Regards,

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This is one of the most racist things I've heard!!

Since when does a race have to be mixed to have extraodinary beauty?!!

This is the kind of mentality that afflicted some African Americans and is also afflicting Asians!!

I'm agreeing with Atheist, AMR and Jizz** are just frustrated mixed-up mulatoos who probaby have identity crises and are just beaming their confused views on other people!

These guys need pyschological help!!

posted 07 June 2005 11:56 AM            

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Originally posted by AMR1:
[B]When Egyptians draw themselves they draw themselves as brown and Nubians as black.

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Egyptians founded Nubia, not the other way around.

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I only know that asking you for a source to support your far fetched claims is a waste of time, so I will provide a source with more accurate information while you work on clarifying your thoughts:

In fact, the cemetery at Qustul leads directly to the first great royal monuments of Egypt in a progression.

Qustul in Nubia could well have been the seat of Egypt's founding dynasty.

Figure 1: The decoration of the Qustul Incense Burner, as restored. A sacrificial procession contains the earliest definite image of a pharaoh with his crown and falcon-label. Oriental Institute Nubian Expedition
http://www-oi.uchicago.edu/OI/PROJ/NUB/NUBX/NUBX_brochure.html

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ancient Egyptians were not a pure black race and therefore neither were the Nubians

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Who is speaking of pure races other than you?

Please provide a list of 'pure race' peoples, and current scientific sources verifying their racial purity.

thank you.

posted 07 June 2005 12:00 PM            

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These guys need pyschological help!!

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Djehuti, you are probably right, but one of the reasons for their trolling is that 'misery loves company'. They are unhappy with who they are and seek to make others unhappy.

They probably get a catharsis out of your angry sounding responses, but that catharsis is likely deflated when they realise that you are Asian and not Black, and so they are missing their target.

posted 07 June 2005 12:03 PM            

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Originally posted by AMR1:
Some want to claim that Africans, come in all shadhes of colour, that is right but to call people "pure" and those have soft hair Like Iman, the somalian model or Nefertiti's generation {who have very soft or curly hair} which were found as mummies as pure black that is nonsense.

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How many times do we have to repeat, there are pure blacks with curly hair also! Not all pure black Africans have 'nappy' hair!

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Some ancient Egyptians women 4000 years ago were coloured almost white. I can not expect those were pure Africans and that the envioronment in Egypt is the reason they were almost that white and with such hair.

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No, they were colored yellow and this color was symbolic!! My God, you have a comprehension problem!!

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There is limits for the different shades of the so called pure African.

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I am certain with more DNA testing in the future, we will find all the founders of the civilization of Egypt, East and North Africa were never pure Africans from around 7000 - 10000 years ago.

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LMAO You idiot of course there was nothing but pure Africans 7000-10000years ago!! And DNA tests have already proven that you moran!!

posted 07 June 2005 12:09 PM            

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Originally posted by Jizan:
Ancient egyptians probably looked like egyptians today.

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WRONG!! There has been so much invasions and input from foreigners so how could you say such a thing? Are you suggesting that Modern day Cairo is no different genetically from ancient Menefer?!!

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I don't know why insecure people black or white -wash them.

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Nobody is trying to wash them any color except whites! The Afrocentrics and others like ME are saying what the Egyptians really were!

And the only insecure people are YOU and AMR who obviously have some personal racial issues of your own!!

posted 07 June 2005 12:12 PM            

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Originally posted by AMR1:
When Egyptians draw themselves they draw themselves as brown and Nubians as black.

Egyptians founded Nubia, not the other way around. Nubains before becoming Kings and princes have mixed with ancient Egypt and learned a lot from them and the ancient Egyptians were not a pure black race and therefore neither were the Nubians..

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foolish one,the ancient nubians of nubia were a unmixed black group.
new nubian groups from the southwest always came in and if they were any mixing it was in lower nubia were a few nubians might have mixed with non-blacks or with black egyptians.

upper and southern nubia remain unmixed in ancient times this is clear , all creditable scholars from the afro-centric world to the mainstream african world(both black and white) have clearly state this in there books.they do not mention that nubians were a mixed group of blacks.they clearly mention for all to see and read that they were unmixed.

2-nubian culture and civilization came before egypt so you have it wrong.

3-you just said that the nubians were black so stop saying they were mixed of half black because i know you are trying to say they became a brown race and of course that's non-sense because they are still look black and most are unmixed today in the sudan because most marry other nubians and only a few look clearly half of something today and they still called themelves black.
nubians married other nubians in early times much greater than nubians in modern times so you are DEAD WRONG to say that most nubians mixed with egyptians in ancient or any other times,and what about the noba who came in nubia after nubia became free again?these nubians were in the southwest.the nubians that did mixed with egyptians in lower nubia died out or were taken to egypt and new nubian groups from the south aways came in before egypt conquered nubia and after.the nubians that have some form of mixture in egypt and lower nubia was a result that happen in very late ancient times,so get you time right.you need to get a more detail book on the subject and stop reading fake history.

hey dummy-southern nubia was never conquered by egypt and that is were most nubians lived at,it was upper and lower nubia that was conquered and not even all of upper nubia and the greast impact was in lower nubia.upper nubia and southern nubia more so was was not settled by egyptians in the new kingdom.
did you just say in other posts that most egytians did not leave egypt?

by the way that skin tone of the egyptians is still a dark brown and i have never seen a saddam hussian type with that skin tone.
some of unmixed blacks from africa have that same tone.most egyptians were black africans period and there were alot that had darker tones as well.so stop playing the skin color game because we know your mindset.let's face it,you hate blacks and yourself if you are black.

posted 07 June 2005 12:20 PM            

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Originally posted by Jizan:
Nilotid === (''Elongated Negroid'')

Aethiopid === (''Elongated Negroid'')

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Thanks, you are actually helping me prove my point. If you mix Blacks and Arabs you get HOOKED NOSED looking people. The nose tells all. Iman DOESN'T have a Hooked nose and nor do most of Egyptian sculpture.

Jews and Arabs have a distinctive look that is very noticeable in Africans. You simply are not trained to notice this since you are not Jewish like myself. I know plenty of African Jews and after a while you learn to discern the difference.

Iman has no Jewish or Arabic phenotype influence. She looks like a typical East African.

It is like the difference between Mubarak (mixed with Arabic and Italian, some French):

And your Northeastern African with very little admixture.

And even he has some Asiatic influence compared to Iman but the features are quite similar. Agree or Deny.

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NO HOOKED NOSE!

I am proud of the Jewish hooked nose but I must admit, the Somali women look better than the average Jewish woman. Just lacks that big nose.

posted 07 June 2005 12:22 PM            

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very little admixture.

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Uchm...Isn't he half Egyptian?..That aint Little.

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NO HOOKED NOSE!

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posted 07 June 2005 12:25 PM            

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Originally posted by AMR1:
Egyptians founded Nubia, not the other way around. Nubains before becoming Kings and princes have mixed with ancient Egypt and learned a lot from them...

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and the ancient Egyptians were not a pure black race and therefore neither were the Nubians..

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posted 07 June 2005 12:26 PM            

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Originally posted by Jizan:
Elongated Africans=bullshit term, because Nilotes, Fulanis,Tutsi's and Masai's look very negroid.
Only some Tutsis and Masai's look Aethiopid because those are mixed with Aethiopids but the rest looks very negroid.

Tutsi

(very Bambutid mixed with minor Aethiopid)

Masai

very negroid.

Sudanese Nilote

very negroid.

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Oromo

Hmmm....pure negroids...?

Somali

Hmmm....pure negroid...?

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Jizan,

Either you are deaf and dumb or blind as a bat or without any brain at all. Not one of the photos of so-called caucasians has white skin. Caucasian, to most people on the planet, means white skinned or very light. It has nothing to do with lip shape, forehead size or any other features you want to identify.

Do you not agree that the pictures you posted are of people with dark brown skin, who are otherwise called black, due to them having African blood?

Everyone here is talking about skin color when they use the word black. Nobody is talking about nose shape, skull shape or the shape of any other feature on a person's body.

posted 07 June 2005 12:30 PM            

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Originally posted by Jizan:
Dude i think you are understanding me wrong.
North East Africans like Ethiopians and Somolis are native north east africans racially with minor Arab blood.

Uchm...Isn't he [b]half Egyptian?..That aint Little.

[QUOTE]NO HOOKED NOSE!

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but not all of them have some form of mixture.
most east africans by the way look really no different that other blacks from west,central southern africa.ethiopia and somalia are not the only east africans states and most of the folks there still look black and are black anyway even if many do have some form of mixture in ethiopia or somalia.

posted 07 June 2005 12:38 PM            

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Originally posted by Jizan:
Ancient egyptians probably looked like egyptians today.
I don't know why insecure people black or white -wash them.

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posted 07 June 2005 12:39 PM            

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Caucasian, to most people on the planet, means white skinned or very light.

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Do you not agree that the pictures you posted are of people with dark brown skin, who are otherwise called black, due to them having African blood?

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Everyone here is talking about skin color when they use the word black.

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You are really skin color obssesed arnt ya.
I've seen many very light Afro-Americans with very negroid facial features so they are ''Black''.
But there are many Arabians who are darker then some light skin black people and still they are not black.And most indians are as dark as black people or even darker but they are not black.Black is a social thing anyway.

posted 07 June 2005 12:51 PM            

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Originally posted by kenndo:

most east africans by the way look really no different that other blacks from west,central southern africa.
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seems like some body forgoten to take his shades off!!

posted 07 June 2005 12:58 PM            

BUT THEY ARN'T NEGRO. OK!!!!

GET THAT INTO YOUR HEADS.

posted 07 June 2005 01:12 PM            

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Originally posted by Jizan:
What the hell are you talking about !?!? :s
Anyway Ethiopian jews are jewish descends.
And where are those elongated negroids at with non-nappy hair?..Still waiting.

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WELL ITS LOOKS LIKE NO ONE IS REPLYING JIZAN. NO PICKERS.

posted 07 June 2005 01:17 PM            

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ausar like this

this doesnt really look that negroid to me

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INTERESTING......MHHHH

posted 07 June 2005 01:53 PM            

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Originally posted by Jizan:
Dude i think you are understanding me wrong.
North East Africans like Ethiopians and Somolis are native north east africans racially with minor Arab blood.

Uchm...Isn't he [b]half Egyptian?..That aint Little.

[QUOTE]NO HOOKED NOSE!

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Nice Jewish nose. Doesn't look like Iman and certainly doesn't look anything like Ancient Egyptians.

I am not disagreeing with you saying that there is Admixture in East Africa. But only a trained eye can really determined which are which. You are not trained in discerning the different genetic influences.

Again someone like Iman is Pure East African. They have never been to India and NEVER crossed the Caucus mountains. The term Caucausian DOES NOT APPLY.

Just like you pointed out that Veddoids are a different race from Negroids even though they look similar. The same is true with East Africans and your Cromagnon relatives.

Thank you, no Applause necessary. I hope you learned something!

Summarize: Negritos are genetically related to Far East Asian people. East Africans are genetically related to (will, I'll be darned) African people. Go figure? Phenotype not a factor. Looks are deceiving. Besides, Iman looks like a bloody African to boot. Don't see no Asiatic in her at all.

posted 07 June 2005 02:08 PM            

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Originally posted by osirion:
...But only a trained eye can really determined which are which. You are not trained in discerning the different genetic influences.

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Not necessarily so! There is a Somali community near where I live and I have also seen many Ethiopians. So can I can pretty much say with confidence that I can tell which ones are mixed.

Jizz, can spam the thread with as many mixed race Africans as he wants but that still doesn't change the facts that East Africans with so-called "caucasoid" features are pure!!

posted 07 June 2005 02:11 PM            

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Originally posted by lamin:
To Rasol

You have much patience. I am just puzzled as to why the points you make over and over never seems to sink in.

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lol. We only respond because if someone does not put a stop to the sheer ignorance fomented by JiZZam and the like, they drive conversation down to the most moronic levels.

Only way to bring and end to the stupidity....

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TI have noticed that posters don't seem to understand that the desigantion of "more negroid" or "less negroid" to individual phenotypes is purely arbitrary. There's nothing objective in the observed phenotype that would prompt observers to make the claims they make at all.

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You are quite correct Lamin. Consider 3 specifics often associated with Negroid as phenotype and 3 African ethnic groups, somali, wolof, san.

skin color, most 'negroid', wolof, least negroid, san

limb ratio, most 'negroid, somali, least negroid, san

hair texture, most 'negroid', san, least negroid somali

You may decide to emphasize one factor more than another, but there is no proof to link any of these features to a pure race construct.

And, yes limb ratio has also been referred to as a so called 'negroid' feature, and the Somali and some other East Africans are at the extreme 'negroid' end of this phenotypical cline.

in limb ratio the Somali are 'less' like west asians than most other Black African groups,

The elongated skeletype as noted by Hiernaux, Keita, et. al, makes specific note of this distinctive and shared characteristics:

these peoples, who are very dark skinned and differ greatly from Europeans in a number of body proportions....are ancestral to the living 'Elongated East Africans'. They should not be considered closely related to Europeans. - Jean Hiernaux, the People of Africa.

The anti-intellectual trolls are now free to continue with their 'fact free' approach to discussion.

posted 07 June 2005 02:22 PM            

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Originally posted by COBRA:
SOMALIES ARE A BLACK PEOPLE AND YES COME FROM AFRICA.

BUT THEY ARN'T NEGRO. OK!!!!

GET THAT INTO YOUR HEADS.

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Agree, they dont look and are not (fully)negroid.

posted 07 June 2005 02:23 PM            

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Originally posted by rasol:

...And, yes limb ratio has also been referred to as a so called 'negroid' feature, and the Somali and some other East Africans are at the extreme 'negroid' end of this phenotypical cline.

in limb ratio the Somali are 'less' like west asians than most other Black African groups,

The elongated skeletype as noted by Hiernaux, Keita, et. al, makes specific note of this distinctive and shared characteristics:

these peoples, who are very dark skinned and differ greatly from Europeans in a number of body proportions....are ancestral to the living 'Elongated East Africans'. They should not be considered closely related to Europeans. - Jean Hiernaux, the People of Africa.

The anti-intellectual trolls are now free to continue with their 'fact free' approach to discussion.

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Correct! Ironically enough, East Africans like Ethiopians and Somalis, in terms of skeletal structure, are deemed "super-negroid" compared to West Africans who are just "negroid"!!!

The only thing "caucasoid" about East Africans happens to be just a few craniofacial features, yet it is craniofacial features that are the most varied characteristics of humans in general and therefore are poor indicators of phylogenetic relationships!

posted 07 June 2005 02:28 PM            

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Originally posted by COBRA:
SOMALIES ARE A BLACK PEOPLE AND YES COME FROM AFRICA.

BUT THEY ARN'T NEGRO. OK!!!!

GET THAT INTO YOUR HEADS.

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The problem Cobra, is what do you mean by negro?!!

If you mean the typical look of Guinea West Africans, then no. The problem is black Africans in general vary!!

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Correct! Ironically enough, East Africans like Ethiopians and Somalis, in terms of skeletal structure, are deemed "super-negroid" compared to West Africans who are just "negroid"!!!

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From personal experience's i noticed most west africans always got proganthism etc This is rare on east africans they dont got those pseudo-ape traits.