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Jizan Member Posts: 113 |
posted 06 June 2005 08:21 PM
  
quote: Is this a joke or are you serious?!?! I almost fell off my chair laughing!! examples please? with wavy i mean not nappy type of wavy ey! IP: Logged |
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relaxx Member Posts: 175 |
posted 06 June 2005 08:22 PM
quote: It does also happen among some bantus from the Ivory Coast and other parts of Africa, I've seen it...this Jizan sounds like a Somali who wrote earlier, just read all his interventions... [This message has been edited by relaxx (edited 06 June 2005).] IP: Logged |
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Djehuti Member Posts: 788 |
posted 06 June 2005 08:24 PM
quote: Jizan, do not have a break-down because your "caucasoid" dreams have been crushed! I am not African but Ausar and others on this forum are and they know a heck of a lot more about African peoples than you obviously do! I myself am Asian and even I know more than you!! Go 2 Sleep! IP: Logged |
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Jizan Member Posts: 113 |
posted 06 June 2005 08:27 PM
<<--check da name boy I'm Arabian with some african blood. but I'm still waiting for examples??...If they even exist! [This message has been edited by Jizan (edited 07 June 2005).] IP: Logged |
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Djehuti Member Posts: 788 |
posted 06 June 2005 08:28 PM
quote: Or better yet..
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truelight Member Posts: 63 |
posted 06 June 2005 08:28 PM
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you can never tell a somalia person from their tribes...they all look alike man IP: Logged |
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Djehuti Member Posts: 788 |
posted 06 June 2005 08:32 PM
quote: LOL Maybe that's why you are so incessant in trying to make everybody else mixed!! Get it through your brain that races vary without being mixed! Why is it 'caucasians' specifically Europeans can have hair that is curly to hair that is lank, but all of a sudden all blacks have kinky--'nappy' hair? Are you aware that there are mongoloids with wavy hair? Get over your dellusions! [This message has been edited by Djehuti (edited 06 June 2005).] IP: Logged |
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Jizan Member Posts: 113 |
posted 06 June 2005 08:34 PM
 Where are those Elongated Negroids at with hair like this somali? IP: Logged |
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ausar Moderator Posts: 4080 |
posted 06 June 2005 08:35 PM
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Atheist Member Posts: 154 |
posted 06 June 2005 08:36 PM
Poor Jiz tsk tsk tsk tsk *shakes head* he like other victims of reality is now in the "denial phase". We have seen this so often before haven't we? lol he should have never brought attention to the biology crew. When you are dealing with these people you have to come up with “some” factual information or it’s not going to cut it. They are going to break you down systematically and totally embarrass you *cough* Evil Euro *cough*. I repeat I'm right because I said so aka the george w bush way isn't going to cut it with these people. IP: Logged |
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Jizan Member Posts: 113 |
posted 06 June 2005 08:39 PM
I can't find any pics of those socalled elongated negroids with hair like this somali..  Why is that? [This message has been edited by Jizan (edited 06 June 2005).] IP: Logged |
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relaxx Member Posts: 175 |
posted 06 June 2005 08:44 PM
quote: Truelight, There are no direct relationships between Somalis and Tutsis genetically speaking, I posted something earlier that shows that Tutsis have no relationship with Eastern Africa, maybe they have nappy hair because they've been like that since the begining. The hima have nappy hair as well, few may have curly hair but it's very marginal. I worked in the area so I know...It's very marginal.Oromos tend to have hair that are more nappy than Somalis, I wrote something about that. Since they are the majority among cushitic people, I guess purer cushitic people have less curly hair. Relaxx IP: Logged |
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relaxx Member Posts: 175 |
posted 06 June 2005 08:48 PM
quote: He's from the North, and you know that since he's your president...I know who you are, stop this game. Relaxx IP: Logged |
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Super car Member Posts: 1240 |
posted 06 June 2005 08:54 PM
Jizan, what peer-reviewed corroboration can you present to backup your claim about all Somalians being admixed, that the features you casually describe as "caucasoid" weren't present in the African Horn prior to any back migration, how this theory of yours is backed by linguistic evidence? The pictures of the people you've posted, do you have their genetic data? What is a caucasoid feature, and how does this relate to people, who have little to no European admixture? Let's brush pseudo-science aside, and start getting into objectivity. IP: Logged |
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rasol Member Posts: 3524 |
posted 06 June 2005 08:55 PM
quote: Lack of intelligence on your part?
Iman: I don't have a drop of white blood in me. I'm beautiful because I am black and I am Somali. You have no specific evidence, no facts, no data.....why is that? [This message has been edited by rasol (edited 06 June 2005).] IP: Logged |
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Djehuti Member Posts: 788 |
posted 06 June 2005 09:04 PM
quote: LMAO Answer my question!! Why is it 'caucasians' specifically Europeans can have hair that is curly to hair that is lank, but all of a sudden all blacks have kinky--(nappy) hair and Mongoloids only have lank hair?! [This message has been edited by Djehuti (edited 06 June 2005).] IP: Logged |
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rasol Member Posts: 3524 |
posted 06 June 2005 09:07 PM
repeat: quote: Come back when you have actual evidence, not dime a dozen pictures of Africans with curly hair. [This message has been edited by rasol (edited 06 June 2005).] IP: Logged |
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Djehuti Member Posts: 788 |
posted 06 June 2005 09:10 PM
The Kola people of southern India are just as black as Somalis but not only is their hair much longer and wavier it is also thinner!! Are they mixed?! The aboriginal Senoi of Southeast Asia also have wavy hair! Are they mixed?! What about Australian Aborigines?!! You have no answers because you are a fool!! LOL [This message has been edited by Djehuti (edited 06 June 2005).] IP: Logged |
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truelight Member Posts: 63 |
posted 06 June 2005 09:23 PM
quote: He's from the North, and you know that since he's your president...I know who you are, stop this game. Relaxx [/B][/QUOTE] if this jizan is somalia then he is a disgrace to all somalis...that is why you keep posting a stupid picture of a/yusuf that wussy...i could care what he is...i only acknowledge him for his stupidity since you are arab man if african blood do you know which part of africa...just asking IP: Logged |
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Djehuti Member Posts: 788 |
posted 06 June 2005 09:25 PM
It seems Jizz is just another racially mixed but mixed-up confused fool who has a hard time accepting reality. And reality is far more complex than he likes! Poor guy... [This message has been edited by Djehuti (edited 06 June 2005).] IP: Logged |
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relaxx Member Posts: 175 |
posted 06 June 2005 09:36 PM
quote: Afars, who seem to have less foreign admixture are pretty much pitch black and have finer features than Somali, which is well known in Djibouti, just ask any Issa and Itsaqh from Djibouti-even when you are in Addis Abeba, many Oromos look pretty much darker than Amhara or other Somalis, basically they have the same skin as other Africans,the difference is that they have big eyes, fine features...And many Somali have the same skin as other Africans. [This message has been edited by relaxx (edited 06 June 2005).] IP: Logged |
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Djehuti Member Posts: 788 |
posted 06 June 2005 09:38 PM
quote: Relaxx, what are you talking about? I mean no offense, but besides the Amhara and Tigre people of the Horn more or less look alike. I mean I have hard time telling the difference between an Oromo, Sidama, Afar, and Somali! IP: Logged |
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tdogg Junior Member Posts: 10 |
posted 06 June 2005 09:39 PM
quote: quote: The question is, have you ever heard of it? People of African descent are as diverse as any other people in this world. I don’t understand why this is so hard for you to comprehend. Why do you accept Asians and Europeans as diverse people, but not Africans? [This message has been edited by tdogg (edited 06 June 2005).] IP: Logged |
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relaxx Member Posts: 175 |
posted 06 June 2005 09:45 PM
quote: Usually they are all the same but Oromos and Afars tend to have the typical Ethiopian eyes...and coincidentally the Tutsis as well: big eyes...but they are the same basically.
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YuhiVII Member Posts: 70 |
posted 06 June 2005 10:02 PM
quote: This is not correct Ausar, Tutsi do speak a Niger-Congo language. The truth of the matter is that they are more genetically closely related to other people in the Great Lakes region than to Somali or Ethiopians. The only close relationship with the former two groups is in phenotype. In the African great lakes region among the pastoralist groups, the face (below) of the Prime Minister of Somalia Ali Mohammed Gedi would go unnoticed. [This message has been edited by YuhiVII (edited 06 June 2005).] IP: Logged |
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rasol Member Posts: 3524 |
posted 06 June 2005 10:13 PM
quote: Moreso, Africans possess more diversity, EurAsia...especially West Asia and Southern Europe...get a good deal of their genetic diversity FROM Africa. To speak of Arabs as if they are a race [non sequitor] and imagine that they 'define' Africans genetically or physically is grandstanding, and wishful thinking. IP: Logged |
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Djehuti Member Posts: 788 |
posted 06 June 2005 10:14 PM
quote: As said before, Ethiopians and Somalians carry E3b while Tutsis carry E3a which is typical among West Africans. Thus you cannot tell genotype by phenotype! Something our new fool,I mean friend, Jizz needs to learn! IP: Logged |
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Atheist Member Posts: 154 |
posted 06 June 2005 10:17 PM
tdogg I know I was being sarcastic and used the same concept he used to describe the Africans. And then he called me a racist when he is the real racist  -A typical reaction when losing in an argument. I think it's obvious that Africans that have been around long before the white race should have more diverse looks than them. The white Caucasian race which basically came last out of the big three has no rights of claiming any form of facial features. If there are similarities it came from the Africans not the other way around. Such thing as white race didn’t even existed when Africans were still around 200,000 years ago.By the way Jiz you keep saying Iman is mixed but other than you and couple of other closet friends nobody consider her as mixed or Caucasian. (come on who are you Waryaa or Cobra? come out come out wherever you are! lol) We already know what she thinks “Iman: I don't have a drop of white blood in me. I'm beautiful because I am black and I am Somali.” Now let's look at the world wide view of her race. Undoubtedly/undeniably black. So where in heaven's earth is she classified as mixed or mulatto like you. Mulatto like you. lol IP: Logged |
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YuhiVII Member Posts: 70 |
posted 06 June 2005 10:20 PM
quote: Exactly my point Djehuti! IP: Logged |
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osirion Member Posts: 230 |
posted 07 June 2005 12:00 AM
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Examples of East Africans with Jewish/Arabic heritage is more like: And As a Jew I can tell you that most Arabic/Jewish women are not very pretty because of their unusually large noses. Besides, how do you explain Millions of people that have the same features in a land that has not been significantly colonized? And Ethiopia has never actually been conquered by an outside force and was actually in control of most of Southern Arabia until the Islamic renaissance (Aksum empire)? Arabic genetic influence would normally result in something similar to the Swahili cost where people on the coastal lands are mixed but the interior people are not. However, this is NOT the case in Somalia. If you go into the interiours of Somalia you will find indigenous people that have the features as Iman. Their features are due to adaptation and not mixture (Somalia is not America). You cannot explain the rich features found in Africa based on admixture alone. Of course you can always find a picture or two of mixed Somalians and so on but the nose will tell you if it Arabic mixture or not. 97% of Somalians look like native East Africans. IP: Logged |
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osirion Member Posts: 230 |
posted 07 June 2005 12:07 AM
Basically compare you modern Asiatic: With your modern East African (w/o so much makeup) To you West African Black IP: Logged |
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Super car Member Posts: 1240 |
posted 07 June 2005 12:12 AM
Is Barbara Streisand predominantly of European descent or Asian? IP: Logged |
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Makaahil Junior Member Posts: 18 |
posted 07 June 2005 12:16 AM
quote: Its Isaxaaq, Isaaq not Itsaqh get it right please. LOL Many people in this site have never seen a population of Somalis, Amhara or other east Africans. Nothing is special about an Northern Somali other than their clan lineage which is different. I am a northern Somali nothing is special about me. Habashis aren't as distinct as you people believe. Tons of Oromos look like Amhara they look identical. Afars are almost indistinguishable from Somalis except they look a bit darker, hell I have seen Afars who are really light. Our looks overlap, I have been mistaken for a Habashi many times by Somalis and Habashis a like. Somalis most people from Horn of Africa look identical 80% of the time from my observations. IP: Logged |
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Super car Member Posts: 1240 |
posted 07 June 2005 12:17 AM
These selective picture postings are all entertaining (and are only good for just that), however, they don't even begin to reflect the phenotypic or genetic diversity in either East or West Africa! [This message has been edited by Super car (edited 07 June 2005).] IP: Logged |
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rasol Member Posts: 3524 |
posted 07 June 2005 12:30 AM
European Jews and southern Europeans have West Asian and sub-saharan African lineages. Northern Europeans have East Asian lineages. Some Asiatic "Arabs" have more west African ancestry than East Africans. Some Southern Europe have greater preponderance of Benin - West African - inherited Sickle Cell haplotype, than much of East Africa: The above include peoples who are predominently blonde; and others who completely lack the recessive genetic trait for blondeness; people with broad and narrow facial features, extremly pale skin, and dark skin; etc.. JiZamm's answer? Ever heard of diversity? lol. Yes we have. It's the ironic excuse you make for the lack of any semblance of coherence in your racist ideology. You contrive to place white Europeans at the center of a phoney racial construct, while constricting the conception of whatever is 'negro' or 'mongoloid.' Unfortunately no one with half a brain would contrive to be stupid enough to buy into such a triffling charade. Back to Dodona with your garbage, and be sure you tell them we kicked your fanny before we sent you on your miserable way. lol. [This message has been edited by rasol (edited 07 June 2005).] IP: Logged |
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osirion Member Posts: 230 |
posted 07 June 2005 12:40 AM
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I use to think so but I have been to these countries in Eastern Africa and the people are clearly different based on the region they live in - adaptation. Sure there's some foreign genetic flow but it is rather obvious and quite minimal. There's a big difference between the climate in Ethiopia compared to Ghana! They eat different types of foods and so on. But there is a point to make for admixture to some degree considering how much of the Arabian penninsula Aksum (Ethiopia) controlled between 100 BC up until the Islamic revolutions. [This message has been edited by osirion (edited 07 June 2005).] IP: Logged |
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Super car Member Posts: 1240 |
posted 07 June 2005 12:50 AM
quote: Indeed. As been pointed out time and again, when Europe has its share of diversity, the notion that an even larger (many times more) landmass like Africa, not to mention the cradle of humanity, could be reduced to an extremely restricted diversity, or in terms of what could be considered of local origin, is beyond stupidity. And yes, I am referring to physical variations, as did Mr. Jizan. IP: Logged |
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Super car Member Posts: 1240 |
posted 07 June 2005 12:58 AM
quote: What is the point? I mean, Europeans have their share of admixture; why is this phenomenon so important in Africa? Admixture is to be expected, since human populations are dynamic! IP: Logged |
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osirion Member Posts: 230 |
posted 07 June 2005 01:08 AM
quote: When Europeans think of African admixture than think of slavery. Aksum is an example where Black Africans conquered parts of the Arabian penninsula and did just the reverse. Consequently, there was admixture due to a dominant Black African culture. But we have to accept admixture. Jews certainly were present in East Africa. Jewish admixture with East African people all the way down to South Africa is a scientific fact. Fallashas to Lembas. IP: Logged |
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Super car Member Posts: 1240 |
posted 07 June 2005 01:27 AM
quote: The reverse of what?... Slavery?
quote: Okay there was admixture; so what? Africans participated in the conquest and in fact, ruled in southern Europe, during the Middle ages, and we are aware of sub-Saharan African admixture predominantly in those parts of Europe. So now what? quote:
http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?tool=pubmed&pubmedid=10801975 Proc Natl Acad Sci U S A. 2000 June 6; 97(12): 6769–6774 Published online 2000 May 9. Jewish and Middle Eastern non-Jewish populations share a common pool of Y-chromosome biallelic haplotypes M. F. Hammer, A. J. Redd, E. T. Wood, M. R. Bonner, H. Jarjanazi, T. Karafet, S. Santachiara-Benerecetti, A. Oppenheim, M. A. Jobling, T. Jenkins, H. Ostrer, and B. Bonné-Tamir "The second most frequent Jewish haplotype, YAP+ haplotype 4, was common in Middle Eastern and southern European populations and reached its highest frequency in North Africa. The discovery of its precursor (YAP+ haplotype 4L) in seven Ethiopian males supports the hypothesis that the YAP+ haplotype 4S originated on a YAP+ 4L chromosome in Ethiopia (≈20,000 years ago), where it likely increased in frequency before spreading down the Nile River toward Egypt and the Levant (32). This hypothesis is consistent with mtDNA evidence indicating south-to-north gene flow down the Nile (45)." [This message has been edited by Super car (edited 07 June 2005).] IP: Logged |
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Waryaa Member Posts: 33 |
posted 07 June 2005 02:26 AM
Two extreme point of view debating about the nature and race of Somalis. The absurdness some suggesting they are half "Caucasian," while others equal matching Somalis relating to Nilotics is beyond ridiculous. As always, Somalis are Somalis, whether they live far up north or deep down south. IP: Logged |
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Jizan Member Posts: 113 |
posted 07 June 2005 05:15 AM
quote: nice try you lost. [This message has been edited by Jizan (edited 07 June 2005).] IP: Logged |
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Jizan Member Posts: 113 |
posted 07 June 2005 05:25 AM
quote: Her facial features look closer to that white woman then to that other black lady you posted. confirm / deny? IP: Logged |
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Jizan Member Posts: 113 |
posted 07 June 2005 05:31 AM
quote: Because It's very minor i still can see she got minor Arabian blood not much though.
quote: Not true.It's 85%. IP: Logged |
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rasol Member Posts: 3524 |
posted 07 June 2005 06:09 AM
quote: poor try on your apart as the structure of your argument is circular and the content - mindless. you state the fallacy that only somali africans sometimes have curly hair - but we have shown you that this is false. you claim curly hair proves 'racial mixture', but the concept is illogical, and when applied soley to africans and not white europeans or tawny west asian arabs - whose hair ranges from straight to curly and from blonde to black, and whose genetic lineages range from european with east asian admixture, to west asian with heavy admixture from southern Africa... is blatantly hypocritical. your non-answer is cry 'mixed' whenever it suits your purpose, but shrill cries do not contradict evidence, or substitute for your lack of it. here is what the current science says: These data, together with those reported elsewhere (Ritte et al. 1993a, 1993b; Hammer et al. 2000) suggest that the Ethiopian Jews acquired their religion without substantial genetic admixture from Middle Eastern peoples and that they can be considered an ethnic group with essentially a continental African genetic composition. - Cruciani, et. al. meanwhile, unanswered... Some Southern Europe have greater preponderance of Benin - West African - inherited Sickle Cell haplotype, than much of East Africa: confirm/deny? so go back to Dodona, pinheaded troll. you're beneath contempt and not worth my time. [This message has been edited by rasol (edited 07 June 2005).] IP: Logged |
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relaxx Member Posts: 175 |
posted 07 June 2005 06:20 AM
quote: You are right YuhiVII, I notice some Somalis look more like Tutsis than other Somalis. Maybe the very long face and he seems quite tall like the Tutsis. Even among Elongated or "Ethiopid" Africans (which is the word we should use since some so called "Caucasian" phenotypes probably originated among those people) there is some diversity. The Prime Minister of Somalia would go unoticed in the areas where Tutsis and Himas live, but the President of Somalia, would probably be noticed. I heard that many Tutsis are often talked to in Somali when they are abroad by complete Somali strangers. Maybe Yuhi VII can confirm that. IP: Logged |
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Doug M Member Posts: 54 |
posted 07 June 2005 06:21 AM
Jizan, Here is the problem. The word caucasian is no longer used as a scientific term for describing race because race has traditionally been identified by SKIN COLOR not PHENOTYPE. Therefore, the term is no longer used in a scientific fashion as a true racial category. Therefore, using it in reference to Somalis is absolutely incorrect and has nothing to do with anyone on this message board. If you have a problem with that, go to the scientific community and argue with them. From Bartleby.com: Now, as for the term black, the somalis, people from India and others with dark brown skin are part of this group. From Bartleby.com: From the AskOxford.com dictionary: • adjective 1 of the very darkest colour owing to the absence of or complete absorption of light. 2 deeply stained with dirt. 3 (of coffee or tea) served without milk. 4 relating to a human group having dark-coloured skin, especially of African or Australian Aboriginal ancestry. 5 characterized by tragedy, disaster, or despair. 6 (of humour) presenting tragic or harrowing situations in comic terms. 7 full of anger or hatred. • noun 1 black colour or pigment. 2 a member of a dark-skinned people, especially one of African or Australian Aboriginal ancestry. 3 Brit. informal blackcurrant cordial. • verb 1 make black, especially by the application of black polish, make-up, etc. 2 Brit. dated refuse to handle (goods) or have dealings with (a person or business) as a way of taking industrial action. — PHRASES black someone’s eye hit someone in the eye so as to cause bruising. black out 1 make (a room or building) dark by extinguishing lights and covering windows. 2 obscure completely. 3 undergo a sudden loss of consciousness; faint. in the black not owing any money. in someone’s black books informal in disfavour with someone. look on the black side informal view a situation from a pessimistic angle. — DERIVATIVES blackish adjective blackly adverb blackness noun. — USAGE To refer to African peoples and their descendants, black is the word most generally accepted in Britain today, in preference to coloured or Negro. In the US African American and Afro-American are often used. — ORIGIN Old English. So therefore, the word black was created for and has always been used to refer to brown skinned people of African descent. Now what part of those somalis are not black, meaning having dark brown skin color due to blood from Africa? According to common english usage and definition they are black. There is no argument. The terms are already defined and I have shown how using the word caucasian in reference to Northern or Northeastern Africans is invalid, especially if it is used as a replacement or alternative for black, which is absolutely wrong. The problem is that you are arguing over certain sub-elements of phenotypes. Specifically, your argument is that certain BLACK people have thin noses, high cheek bones and other features because of mixture with whites. While that may be true in some cases, it does not apply to all people. These features can be found in dark skinned people around the world, from the Indian subcontinent to the Americas and in Africa. These features are not exclusive to the white (not caucasian) race and extensive research has proven this. Aborigines are the earliest people in the world and have blonde hair and features that could not have come from whites, since they are older than whites. However, these people have been genetically identified as coming almost directly from Africa, somewhere in the eastern parts. Therefore, there is a case to be made that the phenotypes that we now associate with whites originated in Africa. Even the phenotype most often associated with whites, blonde hair, can be seen in unmixed dark people around the world: [This message has been edited by Doug M (edited 07 June 2005).] IP: Logged |
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rasol Member Posts: 3524 |
posted 07 June 2005 06:24 AM
quote: ....foolish, for it a pseudo-scientific concept proferred primarily by white supremacist ideologues, which is devoid of credibility and has essentially the same intent as Hamite. [This message has been edited by rasol (edited 07 June 2005).] IP: Logged |
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Jizan Member Posts: 113 |
posted 07 June 2005 06:26 AM
quote: Still waiting for these so called elongated negroids with non-nappy hair...still havent seen one(No Ethiopians or Somalis). quote: Non-nappy Curly hair is a mixed race trait for black people. quote: Having a different opinion then afro-nuts like you is not trolling. [This message has been edited by Jizan (edited 07 June 2005).] IP: Logged |
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rasol Member Posts: 3524 |
posted 07 June 2005 06:30 AM
quote: should read, having NO ANSWERS: These data, together with those reported elsewhere (Ritte et al. 1993a, 1993b; Hammer et al. 2000) suggest that the Ethiopian Jews acquired their religion without substantial genetic admixture from Middle Eastern peoples and that they can be considered an ethnic group with essentially a continental African genetic composition. - Cruciani, et. al. confirm/deny? West African admixture among 'so-called' caucasians of southern Europe and West Asia - confirm/deny? back to Dodona, pinheaded troll. [This message has been edited by rasol (edited 07 June 2005).] IP: Logged |
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