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Topdog Member Posts: 85 Registered: Feb 2005	posted 24 March 2005 07:53 AM ....inhabitants of East Africa right on the equator have appreciably longer, narrower, and higher noses than people in the Congo at the same latitude. A former generation of anthropologists used to explain this paradox by invoking an invasion by an itinerant "white" population from the Mediterranean area, although this solution raised more problems than it solved since the East Africans in question include some of the blackest people in the world with characteristically wooly hair and a body build unique among the world's populations for its extreme linearity and height. C. Loring Brace Nonracial Approach Towards Human Diversity Cited from The Concept of Race Edited by Ashley Montagu The Free Press p. 135-136 IP: Logged
Topdog Member Posts: 85 Registered: Feb 2005	posted 24 March 2005 07:56 AM The question remains, how did Brace go from saying this in 1964 in a book that largely debunks Coon to advocating a "true Negro" theory today? The answer is Brace wanted to intentionally refute what thought were extreme Afrocentrists. IP: Logged
rasol Member Posts: 2963 Registered: Jun 2004	posted 24 March 2005 08:23 AM quote: Originally posted by Topdog: The question remains, how did Brace go from saying this in 1964 in a book that largely debunks Coon to advocating a "true Negro" theory today? The answer is Brace wanted to intentionally refute what thought were extreme Afrocentrists. Brace' contrived clusters and clines methods intentionally obscured the tropical skeletal adaptations that in fact link AE to Somali and in turn to literally dozens of other East central and West African sahelians, and separate them quite strongly from Europeans and most Semitic Asiatic as well. It's interesting to see the Brace had acknolwedged as much earlier, making it impossible for him to beg off the relevance of it. Good find. IP: Logged
kenndo Member Posts: 486 Registered: Jul 2004	posted 24 March 2005 09:34 AM ....inhabitants of East Africa right on the equator have appreciably longer, narrower, and higher noses than people in the Congo at the same latitude. A former generation of anthropologists used to explain this paradox by invoking an invasion by an itinerant "white" population from the Mediterranean area, although this solution raised more problems than it solved since the East Africans in question include some of the blackest people in the world with characteristically wooly hair and a body build unique among the world's populations for its extreme linearity and height. C. Loring Brace Nonracial Approach Towards Human Diversity Cited from The Concept of Race Edited by Ashley Montagu The Free Press p. 135-136 Are you talking about most of the folks of somalia,because that would be true,but it would not be true if you are talking about most in kenya or most other east african states. [This message has been edited by kenndo (edited 24 March 2005).] IP: Logged
rasol Member Posts: 2963 Registered: Jun 2004	posted 24 March 2005 09:37 AM quote: Originally posted by kenndo: Are you talking about most of the folks of somalia,because that would be true,but it would not be true if you are talking about most in kenya or most other east african states. What specifically are you referring to Kenndo? IP: Logged
kenndo Member Posts: 486 Registered: Jul 2004	posted 24 March 2005 09:50 AM quote: Originally posted by kenndo: ....inhabitants of East Africa right on the equator have appreciably longer, narrower, and higher noses than people in the Congo at the same latitude. A former generation of anthropologists used to explain this paradox by invoking an invasion by an itinerant "white" population from the Mediterranean area, although this solution raised more problems than it solved since the East Africans in question include some of the blackest people in the world with characteristically wooly hair and a body build unique among the world's populations for its extreme linearity and height. C. Loring Brace Nonracial Approach Towards Human Diversity Cited from The Concept of Race Edited by Ashley Montagu The Free Press p. 135-136 Are you talking about most of the folks of somalia,because that would be true,but it would not be true if you are talking about most in kenya or most other east african states. [This message has been edited by kenndo (edited 24 March 2005).] i was replying to the comments above.i understand that most africans in somalia have narrow noses,but he mention east africa but i am not sure what part because some states there are on the equator and the only state that i could think of with most africans that have those features is somalia. IP: Logged
rasol Member Posts: 2963 Registered: Jun 2004	posted 24 March 2005 10:07 AM quote: i could think of with most africans that have those features is somalia. Tutsi of Rwanda: [color=green] Stature: 176 cm Head length: 198 mm Head breadth: 147 mm Face height: 125 mm Face breadth: 134 mm Nose height: 56 mm Nose breadth: 39 mm Relative trunk length: 49.7 Cephalic Index: 74.5 Facial Index: 92.8 Nasal Index: 69.5[/color] Masai: [color=blue] Stature: 173 cm Head length: 194 mm Head Breadth: 140 mm Face Height: 121 mm Face Breadth: 137 mm Nose Height: 54 mm Nose Breadth: 39 mm Relative Trunk length: 47.7 Cephalic Index: 72.8 Facial Index: 89.0 Nasal Index: 72.0[/color] Galla(Oromo): [color=red] Stature: 171 cm Head length: 190 mm Head Breadth: 147 mm Face Height: 122 mm Face Breadth: 133 mm Nose Height: 53 mm Nose Breadth: 37 mm Relative Trunk length: 50.3 Cephalic Index: 77.6 Facial Index: 91.5 Nasal Index: 69.0[/color] Sab Somali: [color=gray] Stature: 173 cm Head length: 194 mm Head Breadth: 145 mm Face Height: 119 mm Face Breadth: 134 mm Nose Height: 49 mm Nose Breadth: 36 mm Relative Trunk length: 49.7 Cephalic Index: 74.7 Facial Index: 88.5 Nasal Index: 72.8[/color] Warsingali Somali: [color=navy] Stature: 168 cm Head length: 192 mm Head Breadth: 143 mm Face Height: 123 mm Face Breadth: 131 mm Nose Height: 52 mm Nose Breadth: 34 mm Relative Trunk length: 50.7 Cephalic Index: 74.5 Facial Index: 94.1 Nasal Index: 66.0[/color] Source: Jean Hiernaux *The People of Africa* pg 142 IP: Logged
kenndo Member Posts: 486 Registered: Jul 2004	posted 24 March 2005 11:05 AM I know many of the tutsis that have those features,but i was talking in a state,for instance in rwanda they are a small group,but in somalia the somalias are the larger group,that is what i meant and the masai,many to me seem to have still the flat noses but alot of them still have the woolly hair and even if alot have a bit of a narrow nose it still flat from what i seen in books and tv,but alot of these racist scholars like to make it seem like thier noses are like white folk noses and it is not ,the same dealing with the galla, but thanks for the info. I know maybe all or most of the masai do not have any mixture with other races today,all ones all the way past did not ,but i do not know about the tutsi or galla,maybe the galla less so than tutsi. do you have more info on this?i read conflicting reports on this subject from african scholars both black and white. thanks. [This message has been edited by kenndo (edited 24 March 2005).] IP: Logged
Thought2 Member Posts: 1453 Registered: May 2004	posted 24 March 2005 11:18 AM quote: Originally posted by kenndo: racist scholars like to make it seem like thier noses are like white folk noses [This message has been edited by kenndo (edited 24 March 2005).] Thought Writes: One thing that differentiates indigenous Africans with hot/arid adapted nasal morphologies from Eurasians with cold/arid adapted nasal morphologies is that European noses have high nasal bridges, Africans generally do not. IP: Logged
Keins Member Posts: 69 Registered: Jan 2005	posted 24 March 2005 11:24 AM quote: Originally posted by rasol: [b]Tutsi of Rwanda: [color=green] Stature: 176 cm Head length: 198 mm Head breadth: 147 mm Face height: 125 mm Face breadth: 134 mm Nose height: 56 mm Nose breadth: 39 mm Relative trunk length: 49.7 Cephalic Index: 74.5 Facial Index: 92.8 Nasal Index: 69.5[/color] Masai: [color=blue] Stature: 173 cm Head length: 194 mm Head Breadth: 140 mm Face Height: 121 mm Face Breadth: 137 mm Nose Height: 54 mm Nose Breadth: 39 mm Relative Trunk length: 47.7 Cephalic Index: 72.8 Facial Index: 89.0 Nasal Index: 72.0[/color] Galla(Oromo): [color=red] Stature: 171 cm Head length: 190 mm Head Breadth: 147 mm Face Height: 122 mm Face Breadth: 133 mm Nose Height: 53 mm Nose Breadth: 37 mm Relative Trunk length: 50.3 Cephalic Index: 77.6 Facial Index: 91.5 Nasal Index: 69.0[/color] Sab Somali: [color=gray] Stature: 173 cm Head length: 194 mm Head Breadth: 145 mm Face Height: 119 mm Face Breadth: 134 mm Nose Height: 49 mm Nose Breadth: 36 mm Relative Trunk length: 49.7 Cephalic Index: 74.7 Facial Index: 88.5 Nasal Index: 72.8[/color] Warsingali Somali: [color=navy] Stature: 168 cm Head length: 192 mm Head Breadth: 143 mm Face Height: 123 mm Face Breadth: 131 mm Nose Height: 52 mm Nose Breadth: 34 mm Relative Trunk length: 50.7 Cephalic Index: 74.5 Facial Index: 94.1 Nasal Index: 66.0[/color] Source: Jean Hiernaux *The People of Africa* pg 142[/B] Picture of the phenotypes above would have a more profound affect than just numbers and words.. Just advice to help drive home a more concrete point. IP: Logged
rasol Member Posts: 2963 Registered: Jun 2004	posted 24 March 2005 12:06 PM Well I've done this before, so it's easy enough You may guess the ethnicities for yourself, but they include Cushite, Berber, Nilotic and Bantu speaking groups of East and West Africa. [This message has been edited by rasol (edited 24 March 2005).] IP: Logged
rasol Member Posts: 2963 Registered: Jun 2004	posted 24 March 2005 01:44 PM quote: I know many of the tutsis that have those features,but i was talking in a state A state is a political boundary....states do not have phenotypes, ethnic groups do. States and population numbers cannot tell you anything about ethnic origins. The elongated tropical phenotype is one of Africa's oldest and most distinctive. It is native to East Africa, and this can be proven by a multidiciplinary approach using osteology, anthropology, genetics and linguistics. I recommend that you try and ground your views on anthropology, linguistics and gentics, and not observational subjectives, rumors you heard from unspecified sources and so on. I recognise that many regard hard science as boring and arcane, but without understanding these things, you simply cannot understand where Brace is coming from, and you make it all the easier for him (and likeminded Eurocentrists) to rob you in broad daylight, while you sit there and smile because you 'think' they gave you back 'too much change'. [This message has been edited by rasol (edited 24 March 2005).] IP: Logged
Topdog Member Posts: 85 Registered: Feb 2005	posted 24 March 2005 02:03 PM quote: Originally posted by rasol: Brace' contrived clusters and clines methods intentionally obscured the tropical skeletal adaptations that in fact link AE to Somali and in turn to literally dozens of other East central and West African sahelians, and separate them quite strongly from Europeans and most Semitic Asiatic as well. It's interesting to see the Brace had acknolwedged as much earlier, making it impossible for him to beg off the relevance of it. Good find. C. Loring Brace further goes on to say in this article: The relatively long noses of East Africa become explicable then when one realizes that much of the area is extremely dry for parts of the year. C. Loring Brace Nonracial Approach Towards Human Diversity Cited from The Concept of Race Edited by Ashley Montagu The Free Press p. 135 Its truly funny to here him say these things years ago and see him take a totally opposite position now. IP: Logged
kenndo Member Posts: 486 Registered: Jul 2004	posted 24 March 2005 02:27 PM quote: Originally posted by rasol: A state is a political boundary....states do not have phenotypes, ethnic groups do. States and population numbers cannot tell you anything about ethnic origins. The elongated tropical phenotype is one of Africa's oldest and most distinctive. It is native to East Africa, and this can be proven by a multidiciplinary approach using osteology, anthropology, genetics and linguistics. I recommend that you try and ground your views on anthropology, linguistics and gentics, and not observational subjectives, rumors you heard from unspecified sources and so on. I recognise that many regard hard science as boring and arcane, but without understanding these things, you simply cannot understand where Brace is coming from, and you make it all the easier for him (and likeminded Eurocentrists) to rob you in broad daylight, while you sit there and smile because you 'think' they gave you back 'too much change'. [This message has been edited by rasol (edited 24 March 2005).] let me make it clear,when i meant states i was really talking about in a indirect way the makeup or ethnic groups of those states. for instance in somalia i would expect on average to find a certain look. i remember when blackhawk down came out some members i was talking with was saying those group of africans do not really look like the somalias because the ones in the movie on average did not appear to them to have the narrow noses and hair like whites. you could say that some of the critics of this film did not know better or maybe they do. chiek anta diop and others i have read are very good sources of info,as you know ausar and some others here on this board have recommend their works,these scholars have studied in africa,so did dr. ben(still living there) and some others,and while i do not agree with everthing i trust most of what they said,from ivan van sertma to dr.chancellor williams. These are the best places to start and expand to certain areas more so for a beginner to the advanced level because if you recommend the heavy stuff first,than you will lose some or many folks,i know i have seen this around me.there are some examples on this board and you know them,but i guess they will never really learn no matter what books with the facts you put in front of them,that is why in many ways we can't waste time with them. that is why some of folks come here to talk about the more advanced stages of info,because believe me many folks around here where i live do not want to hear it,and i do not believe it is just a new york city thing. a great scholar below-more so for beginners http://www.cwo.com/~lucumi/williams-ref.html [This message has been edited by kenndo (edited 24 March 2005).] IP: Logged
rasol Member Posts: 2963 Registered: Jun 2004	posted 24 March 2005 02:58 PM Kenndo my friend, please make an effort to study physical anthropology. That's what this thread is about. IP: Logged
kenndo Member Posts: 486 Registered: Jul 2004	posted 24 March 2005 03:39 PM quote: Originally posted by rasol: Kenndo my friend, please make an effort to study physical anthropology. That's what this thread is about. some of it i have studied,but the question was not that,the question was if the somalians or tutis have the features that they have because of some form of mixture or not,and some sources say yes and some say no and do you believe one side or the other,i have my answer and i said it before that the area i studied was more narrow than that and a general read,so i have not read specialized books in this area like you only general areas from good scholars that have read it or done the research,i did to studied other areas more so and it is a matter of time but i will get there soon,that is why we have your views and others,because even folks who do deep study in one area could disagree. so i do not know if really if most somalians are a mixture or not,most of the work i have seen so far say so.that's all i am saying,but i know they are black unlike some other folks who believe something else on this board,but that is why we have smart folks like you to write about subjects like this. [This message has been edited by kenndo (edited 24 March 2005).] IP: Logged
rasol Member Posts: 2963 Registered: Jun 2004	posted 24 March 2005 03:55 PM Please read: Jean Hiernaux The People of Africa. Then read Charles Seligman's bigoted the Races of Africa. All I'm asking you to do is to research the issues so as to better understand them. The best friend of racist scholarship is the uninformed laymen, no matter how well intentioned (s)he may be. [This message has been edited by rasol (edited 24 March 2005).] IP: Logged
rasol Member Posts: 2963 Registered: Jun 2004	posted 17 April 2005 07:07 AM Another of Brace's baffling banalities from Clines and Clusters vs. Race [1993]: "From the observation that 12,000 years was not a long enough period of time to produce any noticeable variation in pigment by latitude in the New World and tht 50,000 years has been barely long enough to produce the beginnings of gradation in Australia one would have to argue that the inhabitants of the Upper Nile and the East Horn of Africa have been "equatorial" [ie - Black] for many tens of thousands of years." Brace's statement may seem odd, and in fact completely self defeating from a Eurocentric point of view, but like Carelton Coon Brace was making a 'pre-genetic synthesis' argument based upon the assumption of an ancient migration of whites into Africa. Of course subsequent molecular genetics tell us that Upper Nile Valley and East Africans are indigenous; have lived in Africa forever, and therefore by Brace's own logic, have been Black forever. IP: Logged
COBRA Member Posts: 36 Registered: Apr 2005	posted 17 April 2005 08:40 AM by looking throuht this topic I feel obliged to fill in some gaps since you the users are ignorant of the somali people traditions and facial features. i amalso able to talk about the the ethiopians and eratrians due to the fact that i am a somali and this my part of the world. first of in Black Hawk Down.....let me state that there was NO somali in the whole movie. The movie was shot in another part of africa, morocco i think. Only one full sentance was used in the entire movie, and it was said in bad grammer. I belive the movie was acted by people of west african deceant, acting for the somalies. Secound point i belive that you the posters have never encountared a somali or might never had chat with a sonali. if you did you probably would notice that they all look the same which you can identfy, they all speak the same language and the same religon. off topic somalies dont look like hutus or toties or bantues. yes there are bantus in somalia but they are classed out siders. yes it is disgusting, but it is due to bantues not looking like the avarige somali. somalies rarely have famalie ties and if there were it would be fround appon.Unlike the somalies the bantues dont have a clan system. somalies see them self closer to the ethios and the ertries due to there lonhg history and long ties and there of cousre of there looks. somalies rarely have kinky hair and flat noses. they have a very unike look. IP: Logged
COBRA Member Posts: 36 Registered: Apr 2005	posted 17 April 2005 08:42 AM bye the way could some one tell me how to post images on this fourum. i want to show you all some pictures. IP: Logged
COBRA Member Posts: 36 Registered: Apr 2005	posted 17 April 2005 09:09 AM IP: Logged
dahlak Member Posts: 134 Registered: Feb 2005	posted 17 April 2005 12:15 PM Cobra, i try to tell this guys long time ago, All east african don`t look like the same. I try to tell them, in east africa is different tribes. I am eritrean rashaida and even in eritrea there are nine etnic groups, which are: The Kushitic linguistic groups: Afar 4%, Denkalia), Bilen 2% (Keren area), Hedareb 2% (Tessenei), Saho 3% (Foro) The Nilotic linguistic groups: Kunama 3% and Nara 2% (or Baria) (Western lowlands) The Semitic linguistic groups: Tigre 35% (Sahel) and Tigrinya 48% (mainly in the highlands) Groups of arab origin: Rashaida 1% (near Massawa) See i know what you mean each tribes have own identity and own different descendants. I know most of the tribes of Eritrean, Somalians, Ethiopians ancestory came from Arabian and North Sudan and egypt. They have none incommen with west, central and south african. Most of East african don`t look like west or central or south africans. But if you look the Kunama and Nara look like west africans and they say, they are the only native people of east africa. I try to post some pictures too, but i don`t know how it works. IP: Logged
rasol Member Posts: 2963 Registered: Jun 2004	posted 17 April 2005 12:31 PM [This message has been edited by rasol (edited 17 April 2005).] IP: Logged
Thought2 Member Posts: 1453 Registered: May 2004	posted 17 April 2005 12:37 PM Thought Writes: Dahkla, we have been through this before. Please use the search function and address the points that have allready been established. IP: Logged
rasol Member Posts: 2963 Registered: Jun 2004	posted 17 April 2005 01:02 PM Agreed. We all know what East Africans look like - need to address the anthropological ideas in the thread. [This message has been edited by rasol (edited 17 April 2005).] IP: Logged
dahlak Member Posts: 134 Registered: Feb 2005	posted 17 April 2005 01:09 PM rasol, so do you agree there are different tribes in east africa and each tribes have different ancestory? IP: Logged
Thought2 Member Posts: 1453 Registered: May 2004	posted 17 April 2005 01:20 PM quote: Originally posted by dahlak: do you agree there are different tribes in east africa and each tribes have different ancestory? Thought Writes: The term "tribes" is pejorative. Various ethnic groups in Africa LIKE various ethnic groups in Europe are diverse and grade one into another. In fact human populations grade one into another from Nigeria to Ireland, which is why the concept of race is biologically invalid. There are discernable trends and clusters, but these do not constitute static, isolated races of humans. IP: Logged
COBRA Member Posts: 36 Registered: Apr 2005	posted 17 April 2005 01:23 PM http://www.somalicenter.com/2005/apr/images/london/images/DSCF0554_jpg.jpg IP: Logged
Thought2 Member Posts: 1453 Registered: May 2004	posted 17 April 2005 01:27 PM quote: Originally posted by COBRA: http://www.somalicenter.com/2005/apr/images/london/images/DSCF0554_jpg.jpg Thought Writes: Cobra, ever studied the statistical concept of the bell shaped curve? IP: Logged
COBRA Member Posts: 36 Registered: Apr 2005	posted 17 April 2005 01:41 PM i agree with my ereatrian brother, we all come in all cplours and sizes but all the share the same unice features. for example look at the lady and the gentel man. both somali. They may vary in colour of shade but both share the same features. and look more..... dark coloured somalies and light colored somalies on this link... http://www.ogaden.com/Sawirada_OWA_Jan_29_05.htm sorry couldn't bring it to view so there to those gays talk b.s. and ackt as if they know more about my coluture then me. no kinky hair big noses and extremly large lips. IP: Logged
COBRA Member Posts: 36 Registered: Apr 2005	posted 17 April 2005 01:45 PM IP: Logged
rasol Member Posts: 2963 Registered: Jun 2004	posted 17 April 2005 01:46 PM quote: Originally posted by dahlak: rasol, so do you agree there are different tribes in east africa and each tribes have different ancestory? No, because no educated African refers to so called "tribes". IP: Logged
COBRA Member Posts: 36 Registered: Apr 2005	posted 17 April 2005 01:49 PM there you so go i provided the link.. sorry about. IP: Logged
rasol Member Posts: 2963 Registered: Jun 2004	posted 17 April 2005 01:54 PM quote: i agree with my ereatrian brother lol. Dahlak is Arab. quote: Both somali. They may vary in colour of shade but both share the same features. Who said otherwise? Can I ask you what exactly this has to do with Loring Brace, or what comments SPECIFICALLY you are responding to? IP: Logged
COBRA Member Posts: 36 Registered: Apr 2005	posted 17 April 2005 02:23 PM well i stand to be coreccted!! Dahlak as muslim brother and an arab brother is right. and i agree with him. ok!! secound point i am not responding to your statement, but to ignorant people who belive that user coman somali looks like a west african or tutsi or hutu with kinki hair and negroid features. IP: Logged
Thought2 Member Posts: 1453 Registered: May 2004	posted 17 April 2005 02:23 PM quote: Originally posted by rasol: No, because no educated African refers to so called "tribes". Thought Writes: I doubt that either of these individuals is really East African. IP: Logged
dahlak Member Posts: 134 Registered: Feb 2005	posted 17 April 2005 02:56 PM What i am trying to say is there are different etnic groups. That is why Eritrea has a mixed Afro-Asiatic population. There are people in east africa look like west or central or south african, but there are people there they have none incommen with west, central or south african. The Kunama and the Nara are related to west african. IP: Logged
Thought2 Member Posts: 1453 Registered: May 2004	posted 17 April 2005 03:11 PM quote: Originally posted by dahlak: What i am trying to say is there are different etnic groups. That is why Eritrea has a mixed Afro-Asiatic population. There are people in east africa look like west or central or south african, but there are people there they have none incommen with west, central or south african. The Kunama and the Nara are related to west african. Thought Writes: The point is populations may *LOOK different, yet share in common genetic (blood) lineages as east and western Europeans do via the R1 clade and as eastern and western Africans do via the E3 clade. IP: Logged
COBRA Member Posts: 36 Registered: Apr 2005	posted 17 April 2005 03:12 PM lets not forget a country like ehiopia with a 75 million population has many types of people with tifferent languages. a rainbow nation. IP: Logged
ausar Moderator Posts: 3704 Registered: Feb 2003	posted 17 April 2005 03:16 PM Cobra, read the following post very carefully. Nobody denies that some gene flow from parts of Southern Arabia occured into parts of Ethiopia and coastl Somali. However, the features that Somalis have are indigenous and did nor arise from mixing with Arabs,and most likely came from adaptation to hot-dry climates. Adressing the point of Dahlak quote: Groups of arab origin: Rashaida 1% (near Massawa) See i know what you mean each tribes have own identity and own different descendants. I know most of the tribes of Eritrean, Somalians, Ethiopians ancestory came from Arabian and North Sudan and egypt. They have none incommen with west, central and south african. Most of East african don`t look like west or central or south africans. But if you look the Kunama and Nara look like west africans and they say, they are the only native people of east africa. I try to post some pictures too, but i don`t know how it works. You are painting these regions with a broad brush. You will sometimes find people in Western Africa like the Fulani that have elongated features like the Somalis,Eritreians ,and Ethiopians. Cushic speakers and Semetic speakers in modern Eastern Africa don't arise from the Arabian peninsula. Its really the opposite since proto-Semetic languages originated in the Horn of Africa itself and dispersed into parts of Southern Yemen. The only mixed group within eastern Africa is the Amharan that might have some Sabean/Himyaritic ancestry. The rest like Somalis,Oromo,and other Cushic speakers are indigenous Africans. They did not originate in Arabia. Not to mention the southern Semetic tribes in modern Yemen like the Mahara are quite distinct culturally from the Northern Arabian tribes. Mahara circumcize their youth at puberty which is more African than Semetic culturally. IP: Logged
dahlak Member Posts: 134 Registered: Feb 2005	posted 17 April 2005 03:16 PM Like i said before in the region of east africa there are people of descendants from ARABS. When i was in Germany, the Moroco, Egypt, Libia, Somalia, Eritrea, Ethiopia and other arab people call each other Brothers and Sisters, because they came from the same line blood. The colour people in america call each other brothers and sisters too, because they are the same blood line people. Brother cobra should know more about his ancestory more than you guys, because he is from Somalia. Like i said before in ancient times people from arabia moved to the region of east africa, through Red Sea. You should go to Algeria read about old arab history, not from outsiders. IP: Logged
rasol Member Posts: 2963 Registered: Jun 2004	posted 17 April 2005 03:27 PM quote: Originally posted by Thought2: Thought Writes: I doubt that either of these individuals is really East African. I just wish they would address the subject, instead of the pointless off-topic ranting. Instead we have one guy who wants the world to know that the Somali have beautiful curly hair; (nevermind that some Somali have quite magnificient Afro's, lol); and another who tries his best to make believe that East Africa is best represented by Rashida Arabs. Oh well... [This message has been edited by rasol (edited 17 April 2005).] IP: Logged
dahlak Member Posts: 134 Registered: Feb 2005	posted 17 April 2005 03:29 PM quote: Originally posted by ausar: Cobra, read the following post very carefully. Nobody denies that some gene flow from parts of Southern Arabia occured into parts of Ethiopia and coastl Somali. However, the features that Somalis have are indigenous and did nor arise from mixing with Arabs,and most likely came from adaptation to hot-dry climates. Adressing the point of Dahlak You are painting these regions with a broad brush. You will sometimes find people in Western Africa like the Fulani that have elongated features like the Somalis,Eritreians ,and Ethiopians. Cushic speakers and Semetic speakers in modern Eastern Africa don't arise from the Arabian peninsula. Its really the opposite since proto-Semetic languages originated in the Horn of Africa itself and dispersed into parts of Southern Yemen. The only mixed group within eastern Africa is the Amharan that might have some Sabean/Himyaritic ancestry. The rest like Somalis,Oromo,and other Cushic speakers are indigenous Africans. They did not originate in Arabia. Not to mention the southern Semetic tribes in modern Yemen like the Mahara are quite distinct culturally from the Northern Arabian tribes. Mahara circumcize their youth at puberty which is more African than Semetic culturally. You point the Sabaean, so the name Abyssinia comes from an early name--Habash--of an early group of the Sabaean settlers who became the Tigrinya. It is thought that the Sabaean (Sheban) people began to settle on the west coast of the Red Sea, from their home in Southern Arabia. IP: Logged
dahlak Member Posts: 134 Registered: Feb 2005	posted 17 April 2005 03:34 PM quote: Originally posted by rasol: I just wish they would address the subject, instead of the pointless off-topic ranting. Instead we have one guy who wants the world to know that the Somali have beautiful curly hair; (nevermind that some Somali have quite magnificient Afro's, lol); and another who tries his best to make believe that East Africa is best represented by Rashida Arabs. Oh well... [This message has been edited by rasol (edited 17 April 2005).] I said from arabs IP: Logged
COBRA Member Posts: 36 Registered: Apr 2005	posted 17 April 2005 03:41 PM oooh under the belt wouldn,t you think rusol!! what i was mearly stating is that people like you who always state all africans look the same and got the same lineage are talking b.s. I never said that i got arab lineage. you go a-head look through all my posts and give a proof against me. what i am saying is that we are of our own race and look the same. you come out with fulani, how many fulanies are out there. a handful i think. there are 20 million somalies who mostly look the same 99.9%. and think about the ethioes and the eretaries and sudanies, how many are they???. rasol get some facts clear. IP: Logged
Thought2 Member Posts: 1453 Registered: May 2004	posted 17 April 2005 03:42 PM quote: Originally posted by dahlak: Brother cobra should know more about his ancestory more than you guys, because he is from Somalia. Thought Writes: In terms of modern society perhaps. Not in terms of anthropology or ancient archaeology. IP: Logged
dahlak Member Posts: 134 Registered: Feb 2005	posted 17 April 2005 03:43 PM You guys talking about DNA, so did you make the test on each person of east african?????I didn`t say descendants from Rashaida, there are different typ of Arabs, but we Arabs are brothers and Sisters. IP: Logged
COBRA Member Posts: 36 Registered: Apr 2005	posted 17 April 2005 03:46 PM so your telling me that you know more about my ancesters then I. IP: Logged
dahlak Member Posts: 134 Registered: Feb 2005	posted 17 April 2005 03:49 PM quote: Originally posted by Thought2: Thought Writes: In terms of modern society perhaps. Not in terms of anthropology or ancient archaeology. Do you realy believe even in ancient times were only one race, how come the ancient paintings show different typs of people? You guys on this site have pretty good imagination and everybody don`t have to agree with you. IP: Logged
COBRA Member Posts: 36 Registered: Apr 2005	posted 17 April 2005 03:53 PM dahlak i think these boys are taking too musch shysa!! too many reading less looking and interacting. IP: Logged

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