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ausar Moderator Posts: 5123 |
posted 06 March 2005 04:53 PM
Djehuti, the ancient Egyptians used to throw a bride in the form of corn every harvest to ensure the rise of the rise. This tradition continued untill the Islamic period when finally this pratice was put to a halt during the Mameluke period. Even amongst the rural Egyptians today is the corn aruseh. This is usually a corn bride that resides over the harvest. One interesting pratice was that rural farmers would throw their grain over this doll to ensure fertility of the harvest. You might see such a corn bride over the area shops in rural parts of Egypt.
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Djehuti Member Posts: 1819 |
posted 06 March 2005 05:27 PM
How interesting! But come to think of it, not that surprising. I've heard of other places in Africa where people practice similar agricultural rituals and planting rites. It seems that there are still cultures where women preside over agriculture. But what do you think of the agricultural male's sacrifice? There seemed to be little to no evidence of blood sacrifices in the remains of early Neolithic sites where women held sway, but in agricultural societies where men presided, sacrifices were prevalent. There is evidence that suggests human sacrifice took place in early dynastic China, in Mesopotamia, and even in the tombs of pre-dynastic to early dynastic Pharaohs. Even later on in other parts of Africa, divine-kings continued to make sacrifices. Some Sudanese peoples like the Shilluk and Anuak have rain-maker kings or chiefs who at the end of their reign would sacrifice themselves to bring fertility, and even in some of the early West African kingdoms kings would sacrifice their enemies to ensure their kingdoms prosperity especially agriculturally. Do you think this belief had something to do with the Osiris story? What is your e-mail address anyway? [This message has been edited by Djehuti (edited 06 March 2005).] IP: Logged |
Super car Member Posts: 1947 |
posted 06 March 2005 05:39 PM
quote: Pertaining to Early dynastic Pharaohs, what evidence is that? IP: Logged |
Djehuti Member Posts: 1819 |
posted 06 March 2005 05:59 PM
quote: I forgot where exactly, but I remember reading an article which discussed evidence that servants of the Pharaoh were sacrificed to accompany him to the afterlife. In later dynastic times these servants were replaced with ushabtis. Most importantly however was the Sed ritual which was supposed to regenerate or revitalize the pharaoh once his reign reaches a certain period. If it was not for this ritual, the king might have had to do what the Shilluk kings did and sacrifice himself. [This message has been edited by Djehuti (edited 06 March 2005).] IP: Logged |
ausar Moderator Posts: 5123 |
posted 06 March 2005 06:28 PM
You can acess my email just by clicking on my name in the moderator section at the top of the screen. IP: Logged |
Djehuti Member Posts: 1819 |
posted 06 March 2005 07:26 PM
Did you guys know that the biblical story of Caine and Abel may be a reference to the conflict between pastoralists and agriculturalists, and Caine may have slain his brother Abel as a blood sacrifice to appropriate his crops so they would be a more favorable offering to God? Clues on this can be found in the fact that God would not accept his offerings and after Abel's death, in the passage "his blood cries out from the earth" suggesting that Caine tried to feed Abel's blood to the earth. It seems that the original moral of the story was that God favored the pastoral's offerings than that of the agriculturalist. The whole conflict between pastoralists and agriculturalists could be found all throughout the Old Testament of the Judeo-Christian scriptures. One may recognize that agriculture as well as the urban culture that was based on it are given both feminine and negative connotations. Cities were sometimes called "women" whose protective walls were like a "womb." Everything that had to do with the urban life like certain technology such as weights and measures are degraded. All throughout the Old Testament it would seem that God favors the life of the pastoral nomad than that of the agricultural sedentarist. For example, in the story of the tower of Babel, when the peoples of the world were united and began to dwell in a metropolitan community, God ruined it and split the peoples apart. They were made into wanderers. The patriarch Abraham was called by God to leave his home in the city of Sumer and "go forth" out into the world to wander until he finds the Promised Land. The important thing wasn't the land itself but Abraham's journey there. His wife Sarah seemed to be of high status, in fact I think the Bible even mentioned that Abraham's possessions and status was derived from her, but as soon as they leave all of that changes and Abraham takes full charge while Sarah is eventually obscured in the story. Have you guys ever noticed this? IP: Logged |
Super car Member Posts: 1947 |
posted 06 March 2005 07:42 PM
Certainly an interesting way of looking at these biblical stories. IP: Logged |
Thought2 Member Posts: 2147 |
posted 30 March 2005 12:30 PM
Thought Posts: African Archaeology Holocene Occupations "Microliths appear very much earlier in Africa than they do in Europe and Asia. The earliest known appearance is around 40,000 years ago(ky)at matupi cave in central Africa." The Romance of Farming "Africa presents the **greatest example** of the "vast middle ground" in the transitional zone between foragers and agriculturalists. Given the intimate knowledge of wild resources which has a long tradition in Africa dating back to the Pleistocene, it is conceivable that some "low-level food production" was practiced long before domesticates appear in the archaeological record. However, this can only be detected if the biased focus on domesticates is given up in favor of studies on complete plant assemblages. Our understanding of "middle ground economies" can be greatly enhanced by ethnobotanical information on modern use of semi-domesticates and the management of wild plants as well as on traditional plant cultivation and processing. IP: Logged |
Thought2 Member Posts: 2147 |
posted 30 March 2005 12:37 PM
quote: Thought Posts: The Prehistory Of Egypt "Given that the Nile Delta is located directly between the Levant and North Africa, it must have played an esential role in the development of microlithic cultures, and some scholars argue that the Mushabian complex in the Sinai might have originated in the Delta......With a probable 'center of differentiation' in the south and evidence for **difussion** in the north, the Nile valley, between 20,000 and 12,000 BP, was not only part of a major techno-cultural process but was one of the **driving forces**. IP: Logged |
Thought2 Member Posts: 2147 |
posted 05 April 2005 05:51 PM
First Farmers Peter Bellwood 2004 "Paleolithic Egyptians, such as those who used Wadi Kubanniya campsites about 20,000 years ago, exploited fish, migrant birds, wild cattle, gazelle, and hartebeest, and used grindstones to prepare a toxic tuber (Cypres rotundus) for leaching prior to consumption." Thought Writes: Another interesting fact from Bellwoods book is that he charts the southern boundary of the sahara around Dakhleh and the northern limit of the Tsetse Fly zone around Kadero. Hence the bulk of Africas population during the Neolithic period (8,000 to 3,000 B.C.) would be packed between these two latitudes from the Atlantic to the Red Sea. [This message has been edited by Thought2 (edited 05 April 2005).] IP: Logged |
Horemheb Member Posts: 3348 |
posted 06 April 2005 08:52 AM
thoughtless, You are correct that many dismiss Diop, as they should. You made many assertions in your piece on agriculture backed up only with 'generally accepted.' You also said many did not support the view that agriculture spread out of eastern Africa, what is their point of view? IP: Logged |
Thought2 Member Posts: 2147 |
posted 23 October 2005 07:36 PM
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Thought2 Member Posts: 2147 |
posted 23 October 2005 07:44 PM
quote: Thought Posts: http://www.answers.com/topic/neolithic-revolution
Agriculture gave humans more control over their food supply, but required settled occupation of territory and encouraged larger social groups. A key factor in this change, Childe considered, was that global climates at the end of the last ice age were warmer and drier, making plants more efficient at producing crops but encouraging settlement near water sources. Paleoclimatology and the study of sub-fossil pollen demonstrated that climates had actually turned wetter, and the forces governing Childe's "Neolithic Revolution" were revised. Believed to have occurred somewhere in southwest Asia around 8000 BC 7000 BC, the Neolithic Revolution has been called the single most important change in the history of humanity. Living in one spot would have more easily permitted the accrual of personal possessions and an attachment to certain areas of land. From such a position, it is argued, prehistoric people were able to stockpile food to survive lean times and trade unwanted surpluses with others. Once trade and a secure food supply were established, populations could grow, and society would have diversified into food producers and artisans. Such relative complexity would have required some form of social organisation to work efficiently and so it is likely that populations which had such organisation, perhaps such as that provided by religion were better prepared and more successful. Also, during this time property ownership became increasingly important to all people. Ultimately, Childe argued that this growing social complexity, all rooted in the original decision to settle, led to a second Urban Revolution in which the first cities were built. Recently, Ian Hodder, who is directing the excavations at Çatalhöyük has suggested that the earliest settled communities, and the Neolithic revolution they represent, actually preceded the development of agriculture, He has been developing the ideas first expressed by Jacques Cauvin, the excavator of the Natufian settlement at Mureybet in northern Syria, that the Neolithic revolution was the result of a revolutionary change in the human psychology, a "revolution of symbols" which led to new beliefs about the world and shared community rituals embodied in corpulent female figurines and the methodical assembly of aurochs horns. IP: Logged |
Super car Member Posts: 1947 |
posted 23 October 2005 07:48 PM
Well, this is an earlier discussion, but if the discussions today are anything to go by, we can certainly see why it is relevant to reiterate the evolution of "Neolithic" economy. IP: Logged |
Super car Member Posts: 1947 |
posted 23 October 2005 08:15 PM
quote: ...more like "Neolithic Revolutions", since, as pointed out before, agriculture which is a feature of the "Neolithic Revolution", has been "independently" developed in certain regions of the world, none in Europe, where this economy was spread from southwest Asia. I suppose the use of the term Neo-"lithic", something you brought attention to earlier, has been justified perhaps on the basis that certain new developments of "lithic" tools helped to facilitate switch/transition from food gathering to cultivation on a smaller scale, which eventually grew in scale.
quote: Makes sense to me, that settlement need not be brought about by agriculture! [This message has been edited by Super car (edited 23 October 2005).] IP: Logged |
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