posted 04 February 2005 12:04 AM            

What criteria justifies the application of a term like "caucasoid" to a haplogroup (E3b) of sub-Saharan tropical African origin (lest we need a simple map again to determine what sub-Saharan Africa is)?

posted 04 February 2005 10:12 AM            

Take a look,

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adj.
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Anthropology. Of or being a major human racial classification traditionally distinguished by physical characteristics such as very light to brown skin pigmentation and straight to wavy or curly hair, and including peoples indigenous to Europe, northern Africa, western Asia, and India. No longer in scientific use."

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It includes wavy or curly hair, and brown skin (chocolate colour). This is why the East Africans are included in this group because of their wavy/curly hair (not tighly curled like the Negroes) and brown skin.

The claim that East Africans are Caucasoid could be sort of justified, but then if we continue on,

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n.
A native or inhabitant of the Caucasus.

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Let's ask, are East Africans from the Caucasus? We can even ask, are the Peninsula Arabs, or Dravidians from the Caucasus? We all know the answer is NO, hence they cannot be labelled as Caucasoid. If they originated from the Caucasus, I would believe it, but this has yet to be proven. They did originate from Africa.

Final Words...
It is obvious that the Eurocentrists are simply racist, which is why they consider any race that influenced them as Caucasian. This tactic was used by Hitler. He told the people of Germany that Aryans were Caucasian when in fact the term was used to describe dark skinned individuals like Shiva, Krishna, or Kali. I have a feeling that the Hitler felt that the IE language was actually a language spoken by dark skinned/Black skinned people. I feel the Eurocentrists are actually aware of their heterogenity.

This is all just Nazi-like behavior.

posted 04 February 2005 10:16 AM            

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Originally posted by Horemheb:
Supercar...why don't you e-mail a specialist in that field and ask them to answer the question you raised. you can find their e-mail addresses listed under faculty at any major university. Make your questions short and to the point. sometimes an expert view from the outside can move the conversation.

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Plenty of expert studies are available to you via the public libraries, science journals, and the internet. We've sighted plenty of up-to-date peer reviewed references to these studies, and they are available to just about anyone who seeks to avail themselves of them. You should try looking into these current studies; they are good mind openers!

posted 04 February 2005 10:21 AM            

E3b:

The study linked to below has been discussed before. Although some of the language is biased it offers a graphical look at Haplotype E that speaks for itself.

If Thought or anyone has a standalone link to this Haplotype Map I would be most obliged. http://hpgl.stanford.edu/publications/AJHG_2004_v74_p000-0130.pdf

posted 04 February 2005 10:49 AM            

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Originally posted by Horemheb:
That is fine supercar but if you are not a specialist you may not fully understand what you are reading. Since this E3b question keeps coming up a specialist in the field could provide a clear picture. Ask two or three, they will respond to your e-mails in most cases.

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You don't have to be a specialist to be able to read genetic studies in a plain language you can understand. Sadly, some of the posters here who claim to understand the studies they present, don't really get it. I often that, not understanding these genetic studies, has more to do with lacking basic reading skills or denial. For instance, when a study states that "E3b haplogroup originated in sub-Saharan tropical Africa", anybody who can read plain English, can understand that statement. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to read plain language.

posted 04 February 2005 11:08 AM            

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Originally posted by Horemheb:
I think you do have to be a specialist to fully understand what a study is saying. And even so, if you are trying to make a point then a specialist can help do that one way or the other. Thats pretty complicated stuff you guys are throwing around.

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posted 04 February 2005 12:39 PM            

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Evil Euro:

Ethiopians have between 6% and 17% E(xE3b) according to Cruciani, but that's beside the point since Passarino determined that their Negroid component is mostly maternal, as the Salas study confirms. Paternally, most of their heritage is [Caucasoid (i.e. E3b)].

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Thought Writes:

It is an absurd and disingenuous tactic designed as a last minute attempt to “purify” southern Europeans from the RECENT Sub-Saharan lineages DNA is beginning to reveal.

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Do I sense a cop-out. So much for the "caucasoid" E3b!