posted 01 February 2005 07:40 AM            

• Caucasoid North Africans from Morocco:

  

• Negroid West Africans from Ghana:

  

• Hybrid East Africans from Ethiopia:

  
  

It's as simple as that. Everyone understands it -- physical anthropologists, population geneticists, informed laymen -- everyone, that is, except delusional Afronuts.

posted 01 February 2005 07:49 AM            

This guy is just suffering from an identity crisis, because he can no longer cling on to this pure race fallacy.

Added Later:

That Moroccan women is a Caucasian, because of foreign invasions. Just because a nation is Caucasoid today, doesn't mean it was a 100% Caucasoid before the invasions. The US wasn't a Caucasoid nation before Columbus but today it is.

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It's as simple as that. Everyone understands it -- physical anthropologists, population geneticists, informed laymen -- everyone, that is, except delusional Afronuts.

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So is Hitler and the Nordic Supremists Afro nuts too? You are really just a blind child.

posted 01 February 2005 08:32 AM            

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Everyone understands it -- physical anthropologists, population geneticist informed laymen....

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Ironically your Nordicist nemesis' advocate the identical pseudoscientific ethnocentricism with the simple qualification that they consider the Moroccans, the Italians, the Greeks and the Jews to be the hybrids. Your argument plays into their hands. Good luck convincing them otherwise. Your tactics are crude.

People of Morocco:
http://geogweb.berkeley.edu/GeoImages/Miller/henna.html http://geogweb.berkeley.edu/GeoImages/Miller/havewat.html http://geogweb.berkeley.edu/GeoImages/Miller/couscous.html http://geogweb.berkeley.edu/GeoImages/Miller/gounaa.html http://geogweb.berkeley.edu/GeoImages/Miller/woodplow.html http://geogweb.berkeley.edu/GeoImages/Miller/carpets.html http://geogweb.berkeley.edu/GeoImages/Miller/courtyd2.html http://geogweb.berkeley.edu/GeoImages/Miller/greengro.html http://geogweb.berkeley.edu/GeoImages/Miller/mhouse.html http://www.davestravelcorner.com/photos/morocco/pouring.jpg http://geogweb.berkeley.edu/GeoImages/Miller/saint.html http://geogweb.berkeley.edu/GeoImages/Miller/official.html http://www.davestravelcorner.com/photos/morocco/child.jpg

http://www.spin.si/robertb/morocco/

posted 01 February 2005 09:39 AM            

Can you post pictures of other African Types, for example Beautiful Egyptian Girls and others??

posted 01 February 2005 09:49 AM            

Ps-all those photos above, people around the globe, including Europeans, are hybrids. They inherit over 99% of their biological elements from Africans. Didn't think we needed to go there, but since we are heading that direction... Now time to prove that those who don't share these biological elements with Africans, are a totally different species, and hence don't inherit these from Africans..Let's GO!

posted 01 February 2005 10:43 AM            

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Now time to prove that those who don't share these biological elements with Africans, are a totally different species, and hence don't inherit these from Africans..Let's GO!

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lol.

'need simply address....

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S Mohammad writes: Am J Phys Anthropol. 1996 Mar;99(3):389-412.

Comparison of craniofacial features of major human groups.

Hanihara T.

Department of Anatomy, Tohoku University School of Medicine, Sendai, Japan.

Distance analysis and factor analysis, based on Q-mode correlation coefficients, were applied to 23 craniofacial measurements in 1,802 recent and prehistoric crania from major geographical areas of the Old World. The major findings are as follows: 1) Australians show closer similarities to African populations than to Melanesians. 2) Recent Europeans align with East Asians, and early West Asians resemble Africans. 3) The Asian population complex with regional difference between northern and southern members is manifest. 4) Clinal variations of craniofacial features can be detected in the Afro-European region on the one hand, and Australasian and East Asian region on the other hand. 5) The craniofacial variations of major geographical groups are not necessarily consistent with their geographical distribution pattern. This may be a sign that the evolutionary divergence in craniofacial shape among recent populations of different geographical areas is of a highly limited degree.

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and......

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rasol writes, It is an elementary mistake of biology to define a general ancestor by a specific descendant. An ancestral-group may have many descendants, not just one. Europeans are not the only non-African descendants of East Africans.....all non Africans are, including Melanesians: http://orders.anglican.org/mbh/pics.htm

East Africans are genetically intermediate between Melanesians and West Africans.

In spite of similar physical appearance, according to Sforza-Cavalli Evolutionary Relationships of Human Populations on a Global Scale, Melanesians and West Africans...are two of the most genetically distant groups on the planet.

Does this tell us that East Africans may be classified as proto-Melanesian?

Does this demonstrate that East Africans are a hybrid between two racial groups, Melanesian and West African?

Does this demonstrate the concept of racial groups in any way? ?

No. It merely demonstrates that all peoples ultimately originate in East Africa, and so contain essentially a sub-set of African diversity.

Phenotype is shaped largely by environment, and South Sea Islanders are adapted physically to warm humid climates not unlike West Africa.

This fact further illustrates the failure of Howell's methodology re: skull measurement, which lead to systemic misclassification of homogeneous African groups into "Melanesian" among various other 'types.'
...classifying populations, whether by geography or by "race", is not morphologically or biologically accurate because of the wide variation even in homogeneous populations - J. Edwards, A. Leathers, et al.

Want to find your proto-Melanesians....look to the early south Sea Island populations, Polynesian and Melanesian, from Fiji to Hawaii share a common ancestry via Y chromosome haploytype- much like PN2 clade Africans who also share a common ancestry.

For proto-Europeans one should look to the early ICE-age moderns who were the first to morphologically adapt to the cold climates of Europe.

The pre historic East African....are proto-East African

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…provided he actually understands it, which I am beginning to doubt based on his essentially sub-cognitive, trolling approach to discourse.

posted 01 February 2005 10:45 AM            

http://www.lashawnbarber.com/archives/2004/06/10/brafrocentrism-on-black-kings-and-queens/

posted 01 February 2005 11:00 AM            

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So much for the bantu migrations causing people to be Negroid in Africa, it just doesn't work

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posted 01 February 2005 11:09 AM            

He is a Black History Professor at University of California at Davis.

This is a good sign, that many African-American Academics are starting to speak out against Afrocentrism and its detrimental affect on the young black minds.

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Originally posted by Horemheb:
Clarence walker is correct, Afrocentricism is a mythology. the main line of pseudo logic they try to use is 'since is could be true it is true.' I do think though that some people get into it so deeply they acyually begin to believe that Egypt is a black culture or that Africa influenced the greeks. Obviously there is no academic support for the black Egypt or Greek arguments but that does not deter them...."if it could have happened it did."

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posted 01 February 2005 11:32 AM            

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Originally posted by rasol:
It's clear that the painful truth of the East African origins of E3b, and the Afrasan language phylum, and hense...Ancient Egypt, the Berbers, admixture in Southern Europe...has pushed EuroDisney over the edge. He is quite willing to make up a fantasy anthropology, based on outdated pseudoscience. He fails to engage the findings of current bioanthropology, because he can't.

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I feel you on that. Point blank, E3a is common in Bantu speaking populations and E3b is most common in East Africans. Unless he can prove that non-bantu East Africans have a high or significant amount of E3a, his arguments are pointless.

As we can see the only real "shared" ancestry between west, central, and east Africans are L2, other, and L1a. L1a has an East African origin and L2b, L2c, and L2d, are found mostly in West African populations. Only L2a is found in East Africa and L2a's origins within Africa are undetermined. So where is the significant West and central African mtDNA that indicates

1)SUBSTANTIAL Bantu dispersals into non-Bantu East Africans

2)Where is the proof that East Africans are a hybrid of West-central Africans and "Mediterraneans" from West Asia?

posted 01 February 2005 12:31 PM            

A pure "race" concept MUST describe a common lineage - ancestry, even as a starting point. [then much, much more is required]

The African PN2 clade (E3a and E3b) links East West North and South Africa. Its penetration into Southern Europe after 20,000 years of European population isolation shatters the pure race concept, and EuroDisney knows it.

posted 01 February 2005 01:01 PM            

For example: I can easily tell when an East Asian is from North East China or from places further south such as Thailand, Cambodia or Indonesia yet people like Euro will no doubt lump them together. The same holds for the Native American people--who look so radically different in terms of colour and facial traits--yet they are identifiable as belonging to broad general clinal grouping.

In his classification of the individuals from Morocco and elsewhere he should note that many women in Africa straighten their hair by numerous methods and those 2 Moroccan women have most likely done the same. I have been in Casa Blanca and the majority of Moroccans look like poople from the Dominican Republic--whom I would not call Caucasoid.

posted 01 February 2005 01:30 PM            

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Originally posted by lamin:
What Evil Euro rails to understand is that phenotypical variations may also derive from mutation and genetic drift all eventually selected for according to a number of factors--ecology/environment, assorted mating, and any number of contingent factors. A ready case in point are the extremes of height found in Africa--where the world's tallest and some(I have seen very short East Asians and Middle Easterners and Southern Europeans) of the world's shortest people. I refer to the Masai of Kenya, Tutsis of Rwanda, the Wolof Senegal and the Dinka of Sudan as being taller on average than any European

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Lamin, EuroDisney knows all that. Because he's had it explained to him before, likely dozens of times....

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S. Mohammad wrote: Somalis are Elongated East Africans, period, just as the Tutsi, Oromo, and Masai does. According measurements comparing them to OTHER Elongated East Africans...

Tutsi of Rwanda:

[color=green]

• Stature: 176 cm
  
• Head length: 198 mm
  
• Head breadth: 147 mm
  
• Face height: 125 mm
  
• Face breadth: 134 mm
  
• Nose height: 56 mm
  
• Nose breadth: 39 mm
  
• Relative trunk length: 49.7
  
• Cephalic Index: 74.5
  
• Facial Index: 92.8
  
• Nasal Index: 69.5[/color]

  
  Masai:

  [color=blue]

• Stature: 173 cm
  
• Head length: 194 mm
  
• Head Breadth: 140 mm
  
• Face Height: 121 mm
  
• Face Breadth: 137 mm
  
• Nose Height: 54 mm
  
• Nose Breadth: 39 mm
  
• Relative Trunk length: 47.7
  
• Cephalic Index: 72.8
  
• Facial Index: 89.0
  
• Nasal Index: 72.0[/color]

  
  Galla(Oromo):

  [color=red]

• Stature: 171 cm
  
• Head length: 190 mm
  
• Head Breadth: 147 mm
  
• Face Height: 122 mm
  
• Face Breadth: 133 mm
  
• Nose Height: 53 mm
  
• Nose Breadth: 37 mm
  
• Relative Trunk length: 50.3
  
• Cephalic Index: 77.6
  
• Facial Index: 91.5
  
• Nasal Index: 69.0[/color]

  Sab Somali:

  [color=gray]

• Stature: 173 cm
  
• Head length: 194 mm
  
• Head Breadth: 145 mm
  
• Face Height: 119 mm
  
• Face Breadth: 134 mm
  
• Nose Height: 49 mm
  
• Nose Breadth: 36 mm
  
• Relative Trunk length: 49.7
  
• Cephalic Index: 74.7
  
• Facial Index: 88.5
  
• Nasal Index: 72.8[/color]

  Warsingali Somali:

  [color=navy]

• Stature: 168 cm
  
• Head length: 192 mm
  
• Head Breadth: 143 mm
  
• Face Height: 123 mm
  
• Face Breadth: 131 mm
  
• Nose Height: 52 mm
  
• Nose Breadth: 34 mm
  
• Relative Trunk length: 50.7
  
• Cephalic Index: 74.5
  
• Facial Index: 94.1
  
• Nasal Index: 66.0[/color]
  

Source:

Jean Hiernaux

The People of Africa

pg 142

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EuroDisney runs a 'race purity' propaganda web site where he provides self delusion for insecure Southern Europeans tired of being referred to as mongrels by equally racist Northern European chauvenists.

He could care less about the facts.

posted 01 February 2005 01:40 PM            

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Originally posted by rasol:

He could care less about the facts.

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posted 01 February 2005 01:48 PM            

This is common sense, as it should be, but not according to the Afrocentrics, who think that all of the Africans are related and therefore, they're all Black Africans.

Not only is this FALSE, but it goes against common sense and simple LOGIC.

There are two African Worlds, one is Negroid and the other is Caucasoid.

posted 01 February 2005 02:06 PM            

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Originally posted by screw_asante:
A little related info on Afrocentrism and its Black Kings and Queens:

[b]

<A HREF="http://www.lashawnbarber.com/archives/2004/06/10/brafrocentrism-on-black-kings-and-queens/" TARGET=_blank>http://www.lashawnbarber.com/archives/2004/06/10/brafrocentrism-on-black-kings-and-queens/

</A>[/B]

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posted 01 February 2005 02:11 PM            

As anyone can tell you, Europe, Africa, and Asia, used to be one Big Land Mass, and therefore finding Caucasoid People on African Lands is nothing new, and does not mean that they're Non-Natives!!

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Originally posted by fromashes_rise:

mostly invasions thats why they are around the coast otherwise you would get caucasians onthe the guinea coast and you dont

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posted 01 February 2005 02:18 PM            

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The coastal areas of Africa, are obviously the areas that show the transition...
This is common sense, as it should be

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Careful, that's not what your thread/host, EuroDisney is saying. According to him the coastal Areas of Africa are pure white, and NOT a transition zone. This is crucial to his argument, since Northern Africa [via the Moorish conquest], spills over into Europe...literally.

In reality modern day coastal Africa is heterogeneous as is coastal Europe, Saudi Arabia, or Isreal and Yemen for that matter.

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who think that all of the Africans are related and therefore, they're all Black Africans. Not only is this FALSE, but it goes against common sense and simple LOGIC.

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A clade in genetics, by definition PROVES common ancestry. Pictures, and SIMPLE "logic" do not. But thank you for playing...Abaza.

posted 01 February 2005 02:26 PM            

This is where you go from Black African types into the Caucasian types (The Egyptains).

posted 01 February 2005 02:33 PM            

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Originally posted by screw_asante:
Africa is a lot more COMPLEX, than simple invasion theories.

As anyone can tell you, Europe, Africa, and Asia, used to be one Big Land Mass, and therefore finding Caucasoid People on African Lands is nothing new, and does not mean that they're Non-Natives!!

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posted 01 February 2005 02:36 PM            

So that you could laugh out loud about Kwanzaa.....and Afrocentrics at once.

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Originally posted by King_Scorpion:
Um...this was in prehistoric times friend . What is Evil's website address...I need something to laugh at!!!!!

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posted 01 February 2005 03:19 PM            

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Originally posted by Evil Euro:

• [b]Caucasoid North Africans from Morocco:

  

• Negroid West Africans from Ghana:

  

• Hybrid East Africans from Ethiopia:

  
  

It's as simple as that. Everyone understands it -- physical anthropologists, population geneticists, informed laymen -- everyone, that is, except delusional Afronuts.

[This message has been edited by Evil Euro (edited 01 February 2005).][/B]

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first of all i have seen women are not mix that look close to the woman on the right from ethiopia.
second,pure negriod types vary more so than what you have just shown us.

THE women from northwest africa by the way look barely white,more so the one on the right,she looks like some of these latinos from the west indies.

posted 01 February 2005 04:10 PM            

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Originally posted by screw_asante:
Africa is a lot more COMPLEX, than simple invasion theories.

As anyone can tell you, Europe, Africa, and Asia, used to be one Big Land Mass, and therefore finding Caucasoid People on African Lands is nothing new, and does not mean that they're Non-Natives!!

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At this time there were NO "caucasoids"/europeans, even "mongaloids"/asians or even the pseudo-notion of pure negro. They were all african and blacks with various black/african elements in them. While most were a combination of what is know today as east african, west african, and khoisan/south african types/features. Wait a minute- this probably still looks like the average african when all the features are submerged Even most present day africans have a combination of these features sans euroasian admixture!

posted 01 February 2005 05:35 PM            

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Originally posted by Keins:

At this time there were NO "caucasoids"/europeans, even "mongaloids"/asians or even the pseudo-notion of pure negro. They were all african and blacks with various black/african elements in them. While most were a combination of what is know today as east african, west african, and khoisan/south african types/features. Wait a minute- this probably still looks like the average african when all the features are submerged Even most present day africans have a combination of these features sans euroasian admixture!

Horemheb and abaza, get over it! Africa/black/"negro" is the genetic and phenotypic tree of humanity and europeans and others are just a leaf with very limited phenotype and genotype. All the evidenve points to this reality. So to deny yourself of this reality I suggest you look northward to a neanderthal ancestor!

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very good but since these other races did not exist the pure black notion would be fact at time and most blacks in africa did not mix with euroasians,asians europeans so most would be full blooded blacks africans even the san,while europeans and other races would not be really pure.

posted 01 February 2005 06:41 PM            

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screw_asante:
As anyone can tell you, Europe, Africa, and Asia, used to be one Big Land Mass, and therefore finding Caucasoid People on African Lands is nothing new, and does not mean that they're Non-Natives!!

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LMAO. Evidence please for anatomically modern humans living in the one Big Land Mass (Pangea), not to mention the recognizable social constructs of racial types as we know it!

posted 01 February 2005 07:51 PM            

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Originally posted by rasol:
EuroDisney runs a 'race purity' propaganda web site where he provides self delusion for insecure Southern Europeans tired of being referred to as mongrels by equally racist Northern European chauvenists.

He could care less about the facts.

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posted 01 February 2005 08:44 PM            

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Originally posted by Horemheb:
Clarence walker is correct, Afrocentricism is a mythology. the main line of pseudo logic they try to use is 'since is could be true it is true.' I do think though that some people get into it so deeply they acyually begin to believe that Egypt is a black culture or that Africa influenced the greeks. Obviously there is no academic support for the black Egypt or Greek arguments but that does not deter them...."if it could have happened it did."

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Originally posted by Horemheb:
It is obvious that East Africans have a substantial amount of Caucasian and/or Mongoloid genes. Two eyes in one's head are all that is needed to see that. That may well be why they were able to build a complex society like Nubia and make a contribution to ancient egypt as well.

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posted 01 February 2005 10:28 PM            

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Originally posted by S.Mohammad:
I feel you on that. Point blank, E3a is common in Bantu speaking populations and E3b is most common in East Africans. Unless he can prove that non-bantu East Africans have a high or significant amount of E3a, his arguments are pointless.

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Thought Writes:

posted 01 February 2005 10:58 PM            

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Originally posted by Evil Euro:

It's as simple as that. Everyone understands it -- physical anthropologists, population geneticists, informed laymen -- everyone, that is, except delusional Afronuts.

[This message has been edited by Evil Euro (edited 01 February 2005).]

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This is a perfect example of a bandwagon argument. Since "everyone understands it" you should "understand" it too. It really isn't "simple" it is simple-minded! Your argument is cut to threads by a mere perusal of pictures of a greater sample of the selected populations(Moroccans,Ghanaians and Ethiopians). One or two samples of each can not represent the general population. This is a joke!

posted 02 February 2005 01:05 AM            

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Originally posted by Thought2:
Thought Writes:

E3a is common in Southern Egypt. This is consistent with the migration of populations from the areas south and west of Egypt during the neolithic. More analysis needs to be done on the areas of SE Libya, SW Egypt, NW Sudan and NE Chad.

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Are you sure you're not confusing E3a with YAP+? Perhaps the E3a in southern Egypt belongs to a different subclade. E3a with the M2 mutation is signature of Bantu migrations south.

posted 02 February 2005 06:34 AM            

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Originally posted by Roy_2k5:
This guy is just suffering from an identity crisis, because he can no longer cling on to this pure race fallacy.

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Identity crisis? I'm exactly where I want to be on this Y-chromosome map:

posted 02 February 2005 06:49 AM            

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Originally posted by S.Mohammad:
Poor Evil Euro in parroting his fellow idol Dienekes Pontikos believes Ethiopians have West Africa elements in them according mtDNA he posted in another thread.

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Are you blind or just stupid? 50% of East African mtDNA belongs to sub-Saharan haplogroups (L1 and L2) that were not part of the Out-of-Africa migrations (L3 is the source of non-African mtDNA). This means that those lineages entered East Africa from other parts of the continent after OOA, making modern East Africans distinct from pre-historic ones.

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Unless he can prove that non-bantu East Africans have a high or significant amount of E3a, his arguments are pointless.

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posted 02 February 2005 06:54 AM            

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Originally posted by rasol:
E3b FINALLY spread from Black East Africa across the Levant, and into Europe.

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You have a very wild imagination, Afronut.

"True" Black Africans appear as a recent adaptive radiation in the above dendrograms, apparently branching off from an ancestral Pygmy population -- a line of ancestry also indicated by osteological data (Coon 1962:651-656; Watson et al. 1996). This radiation seems to have occurred somewhere in West Africa. Before the Bantu expansion about 3,000 years ago, true Black Africans were absent from the continent's central, eastern, and southern regions (Cavalli-Sforza 1986:361-362; Oliver 1966). They were also absent from the middle Nile until about 4,000 years ago, at which time they begin to appear in paintings from Pharaonic Egypt and in skeletal remains from Nubia (Junker 1921).

posted 02 February 2005 07:06 AM            

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50% of East African mtDNA belongs to sub-Saharan haplogroups (L1 and L2) that were not part of the Out-of-Africa migrations (L3 is the source of non-African mtDNA). This means that those lineages entered East Africa from other parts of the continent after OOA,

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No it doesn't. It simply means that OOA migrants possess a subset of African DNA

renewed expansion repopulated Africa with L2 AND L3 mtDNA types whereas the
ORIGINAL L1 TYPES types eventually became
minority almost everywhere, except in the ancestors of Khoisan (Bushmen)and Biaka (West Pygmies).African re-expansion led to the first ( successful) modern human
migration out of Africa by 54 ± 8 All non-Africans [not just Europeans] today are descended from an L3 type, which gave rise to two founder types outside Africa. The group leaving Africa must have been very small, given that only that L3 type survived. - Peter Forster, DNA Chronology of Human Dispersal

Sorry EuroDisney, try another lie, and with a less informed audience.

posted 02 February 2005 07:16 AM            

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Ethiopians have between 6% and 17% E(xE3b) according to Cruciani, but that's beside the point since Passarino determined that their Negroid component is mostly maternal, as the Salas study confirms. Paternally, most of their heritage is Caucasoid (i.e. E3b).

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Unless he can prove that non-bantu East Africans have a high or significant amount of E3a, his arguments are pointless

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A Bantu, [ie Zulu] expansion would need be associated with the expansion of E3A (male chromosome).

What you are proposing is a Cushite, [ie Somali] expansion with E3b expanding along with L Haplotypes, which there is little evidence of and which won't help you in any case.

posted 02 February 2005 07:40 AM            

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Originally posted by rasol:
No it doesn't. It simply means that OOA migrants possess a subset of African DNA

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If L1 and L2 had been present in East Africa from the beginning, they would have intermingled with L3 and migrated out along with it. They didn't because they arrived later.

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A Bantu, [ie Zulu] expansion would need be associated with the expansion of E3A (male chromosome).

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Why? Females migrate too. And in Ethiopia, Niger-Congo females are primarily responsible for the Negroid element:

On the basis of autosomal polymorphic loci, it has been estimated that 60% of the Ethiopian gene pool has an African origin, whereas ~40% is of Caucasoid derivation.... Our Ethiopian sample also lacks the sY81-G allele, which was associated with 86% and 69% of Senegalese and mixed-African YAP+ chromosomes, respectively. This suggests that male-mediated gene flow from Niger-Congo speakers to the Ethiopian population was probably very limited ... Caucasoid gene flow into the Ethiopian gene pool occurred predominantly through males. Conversely, the Niger-Congo contribution to the Ethiopian population occurred mainly through females.

posted 02 February 2005 08:04 AM            

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A Bantu, [ie Zulu] expansion would need be associated with the expansion of E3A (male chromosome).

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Why? Females migrate too.

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Not female only migrations conquering and replacing existing populations wholesale without any men [E3a], and without any archeological, cultural, or linguistic trace. Remember you are predicating this far fetched idea on Bantu expansion, not Cushite expansion. And since both Cushites and Bantu are Black Africans and directly related to each other (E3a and E3b), and not the to the whites of Europe (non E3a, non E3b, NOT RELATED... sorry. ), your point would be moot, even if you could make it, which you can't, without the E3a.

Lastly when you are done resorting to inane pronouncments of caucasoid Benin Sickle cell and caucasoid Black East African E3b, you are still left with skeletal remains of Eary East Africans which are direct Pre-cursors of modern East Africans. We have shown you that pre historic East Africans are highly distinct from Ice Age Europeans, somatically and genetically, to which you offer no sane rebuttal.

Must we remind you?

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The People of Africa(Peoples of the World Series)
The oldest remains of Homo sapiens sapiens found in East Africa were associated with an industry having similarities with the Capsian. It has been called Upper Kenyan Capsian, although its derivation from the North African Capsian is far from certain. At Gamble's Cave in Kenya, five human skeletons were associated with a late phase of the industry, Upper Kenya Capsian C, which contains pottery. A similar associationis presumed for a skeleton found at Olduvai, which resembles those from Gamble's Cave. The date of Upper Kenya Capsian C is not precisely known (an earlier phase from Prospect Farm on Eburru Mountain close to Gamble's Cave has been dated to about 8000 BC); but the presence of pottery indicates a rather later date, perhaps around 4000 BC. The skeletons are of very tall people. They had long, narrow heads, and relatively long, narrow faces. The nose was of medium width; and prognathism, when present, was restricted to the alveolar, or tooth-bearing, region......all their features can be found in several living populations of East Africa, like the Tutsi of Rwanda and Burundi, who are very dark skinned and differ greatly from Europeans in a number of body proportions.............
From the foregoing, it is tempting to locate the area of differentiation of these people in the interior of East Africa. There is every reason to believe that they are ancestral to the living 'Elongated East Africans'. Neither of these populations, fossil and modern, should be considered to be closely related to the populations of Europe and western Asia.

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You are trolling up a creek without a paddle EuroDisney.

posted 02 February 2005 08:12 AM            

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Originally posted by Evil Euro:
Why? Females migrate too. And in Ethiopia, Niger-Congo females are primarily responsible for the Negroid element:

On the basis of autosomal polymorphic loci, it has been estimated that 60% of the Ethiopian gene pool has an African origin, whereas ~40% is of Caucasoid derivation.... Our Ethiopian sample also lacks the sY81-G allele, which was associated with 86% and 69% of Senegalese and mixed-African YAP+ chromosomes, respectively. This suggests that male-mediated gene flow from Niger-Congo speakers to the Ethiopian population was probably very limited ... [b]Caucasoid gene flow into the Ethiopian gene pool occurred predominantly through males. Conversely, the Niger-Congo contribution to the Ethiopian population occurred mainly through females.

[Passarino et al., Am J Hum Genet, 1998][/B]

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posted 02 February 2005 10:47 AM            

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Originally posted by Evil Euro:
Ethiopians have between 6% and 17% E(xE3b) according to Cruciani, but that's beside the point since Passarino determined that their Negroid component is mostly maternal, as the Salas study confirms. Paternally, most of their heritage is Caucasoid (i.e. E3b).

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Wrong again moron, Passarino didn't use the E3b Y chromosone in his study moron. As for Salas et tal, his study did NOT conclude that the Ethiopian maternal contribution came from West and central Africans. And E3b is NOT Caucasoid you dumbass, all studies done on E3b came AFTER Passarino et tal's study and was determined to be either East African or sub-Saharan in origin and Caucasoids aren't aboriginal to either of those areas. So you still haven't addressed my post properly.

posted 02 February 2005 11:34 AM            

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Originally posted by Evil Euro:
You have a very wild imagination, Afronut.

"True" Black Africans appear as a recent adaptive radiation in the above dendrograms, apparently branching off from an ancestral Pygmy population -- a line of ancestry also indicated by osteological data (Coon 1962:651-656; Watson et al. 1996). This radiation seems to have occurred somewhere in West Africa. [b]Before the Bantu expansion about 3,000 years ago, true Black Africans were absent from the continent's central, eastern, and southern regions (Cavalli-Sforza 1986:361-362; Oliver 1966). They were also absent from the middle Nile until about 4,000 years ago, at which time they begin to appear in paintings from Pharaonic Egypt and in skeletal remains from Nubia (Junker 1921).

http://www.arthurhu.com/99/17/sexratio.txt[/B]

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Same bs "paper" debunked once again. As I've posted so many damn times again, populations ancestral to West Africans came from the Sahara, not Pygmies. And as I've said again and again you moron , the earliest Homo sapiens sapiens from East Africa were akin and ancestral to modern day Elongated East Africans like the Tutsi, Hima, and Masai, all of whom are Negroids. Its plain to see that the writer of that study(which isn't even published in any peer-reviewed journal or book) is simply invoking the "true Negro" theory which has been debunked. Elongated Africans, Khoisan, Pygmies, and those populations ancestral to modern day west Africans are all "true Africans" for their origins lie in Africa and cannot be explained as mixtures with foreign peoples. That same moron Frost says Mongoloids and Caucasoids didn't split UNTIL AFTER 10,000 BC so guess what? According to the source you just quoted from, you ancvestral East African Caucasoids didn't even exist prior to 10,000 BC, so you can quit your **** about prehistoric Caucasoids in East Africa, Europe, and North Africa. Your selection of source here cleary went against your own argument.

posted 02 February 2005 03:55 PM            

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