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the southern Italian, whose land borders Africa

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Italy is bordered by the Mediterranean sea, not Africa.

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dark-skinned Moors

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dominated for centuries by...the black man

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The black man doesn't dominate. He gets dominated:

posted 24 March 2005 08:04 AM            

Milton focusses on an English boy who became slave in Morocco. The ruler of Morocco acquired thousands of slaves to build an enormous palace complex in the city of Meknes, grander than any in Europe—and succeeded, although the work was undone by earthquakes after his death. Meanwhile, generations of white slaves lived and died in awful conditions, while the governments of Europe sent various emissaries to plead for or buy their release. - Milton’s White Gold: The Extraordinary Story of Thomas Pellow and North Africa’s One Million European Slaves

Roman captives of the Cushites:

Moorish Conquerer in Southern Europe:

posted 24 March 2005 01:50 PM            

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The black man doesn't dominate. [b]He gets dominated:

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Only the black man? What about this:

Since no census was ever taken, any count of the number of slaves or freemen in North Africa during these centuries is at best an educated guess....Who were these people who were sold like chattel at auction? They spoke all the languages of Europe: most of them came from the shores of the Mediterranean or the approaches to that sea from the Atlantic, and yet they also came from Russia, Germany, the British Islands, Scandinavia, the Netherlands, and northern France. Perhaps most of them were sailors at sea; but there were thousands of villagers captured in raids and hundreds of townsmen and others who were passengers on vessels and who were taken as prizes. Thus they ranged from high noblemen, royal officers, ships captains, merchants, and bourgeois travelers to common seamen and poor peasants. The wealthy and important were ransomed; the rest mostly remained slaves for the rest of the years of their lives....

The Barbary Coast
Algeria under the Turks
John B. Wolf
W.W. Norton & Company 1979
p. 151, 152

posted 24 March 2005 04:37 PM            

The origins of the 'Manifesto of racial scientists' - Journal of Italian American Studies.

This article examines the origin, development and controversies concerning the 'Manifesto of racial scientists', the document published in July 1938 that laid the foundations for the forthcoming racial policies of the Fascist regime.

The article seeks to explain Mussolini's rationale for adopting a racial ideology in the first place, and for including within this ideology such diverse (and contradictory) concepts as the 'Nordic Aryan' racial identity of Italians; the 'purity and uniqueness' of the 'Italian' race; anti-Semitism; anti-Africanism; and a 'biological' definition of race.

For this reason, those theories are to be considered dangerous that support the African origin of some European peoples and that include even the Semitic and Kemetic [North African] populations in a common Mediterranean race, establishing absolutely inadmissible relations and ideological sympathies

There exists by now a pure "Italian race". This premise is not based on the confusion of the biological concept of race as the historical-linguistic concept of a people and of a nation, but on the purist kinship of blood which unites the Italians of today to the generations which have populated Italy for millennia. This ancient purity of blood is the greatest title of nobility of the Italian Nation.

http://www.dickinson.edu/~rhyne/232/Nine/RacistScientists.html

posted 24 March 2005 05:18 PM            

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Frightened Baby E's inferiorty complex and Manifesto.

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Thought Writes:

posted 24 March 2005 06:01 PM            

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This sort of psychosis has been taken to extremes on Native American land in Minnesota this past week.

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posted 24 March 2005 07:09 PM            

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Thought Posts:

Nazi Site Intrigued Shooter

By P.J. Huffstutter and Elizabeth Mehren Times Staff Writers

RED LAKE, Minn. — He wore black clothes, eyeliner and may have called himself "the Angel of Death" — in German — on a neo-Nazi website. He drew ghoulish cartoons of skeletons. One, displayed in his English classroom about a month ago, bore the caption, "March to the death song 'til your boots fill with blood."

The FBI (news - web sites) on Tuesday identified that troubled student, 16-year-old Jeffrey Weise, as the shooter responsible for the bloodiest episode of school violence since the 1999 Columbine massacre in Colorado.

On Monday, Weise killed his grandfather and his grandfather's companion before heading to Red Lake High School, where he fatally shot five students, a teacher and a security guard. Then he killed himself. Seven others were wounded.

Students and others on the Red Lake Indian Reservation struggled to understand what set Weise off. Some said the muscular teenager was quiet and was teased at school. Others said Weise was liked.

"Right now, we are in utter disbelief and shock," said Floyd Jourdain Jr., chairman of the Red Lake Band of Chippewa. "Our community is just devastated by this event. We have never seen anything like this in the history of our tribe."

Weise had no prior police record, FBI Agent Michael Tabman said. "We have no theories as to a motive at this time," he added.

School officials said Weise had been home-tutored recently as part of a disciplinary action. They would not disclose the reason for the punishment.

"I think everyone is at a loss as to what this was all about," said Preston Graves, 57, the owner of a small food store and the father of a 14-year-old who hid in a classroom while Weise went on his shooting spree. Graves' son, Reggie, survived.

A dozen students who gathered Tuesday at Beaulieu's Gas & Store said Weise was interested in heavy metal, hard rock and gothic music. They said he often wore black T-shirts and a long black coat.

The FBI said that school computers and others the teen had access to were being examined. Investigators were trying to find out whether Weise had frequented a neo-Nazi website.

An Internet posting last year signed by "Todesengel" (German for "Angel of Death") was linked to the shooter. It began: "Hello All, my name is Jeff Weise, a Native American from the Red Lake 'Indian' reservation in Minnesota." Weise said he was interested in joining the Native American Nationalists, a separatist group.

In a reply the same night to a welcoming note from the organization, he wrote: "I guess I've always carried a natural admiration for Hitler and his ideals, and his courage to take on larger nations.

"When I was growing up, I was taught (like others) that Nazis were (are) evil and that Hitler was a very evil man," he continued. "Of course, not for a second did I believe this."

Within weeks, Todesengel wrote to the same organization: "By the way, I was blamed for a threat on the school I attend because someone said they were going to shoot up the school on 4/20, Hitler's birthday, and just because I claim being a National Socialist, guess whom they've pinned?"

A month later, Todesengel wrote that "the school threat" had passed, and "I was cleared as a suspect."

Weise also may have contributed to an Internet forum called "Rise of the Dead," where participants wrote stories about zombies. Weise reportedly used the Hotmail handle "Blades11," and in one posting identified himself as being from Red Lake.

Last month, he agreed to help write a zombie story. But he warned that life at home was "kind of rocky right now so I might disappear unexpectedly."

Weise's father committed suicide four years ago and his mother lives in a nursing home — comatose after an automobile accident. He split his time between the homes of his grandfather and grandmother.

Authorities on Tuesday said Weise used a .22-caliber weapon to kill his grandfather, Daryl Lussier, 58, a sergeant in the Red Lake Police Department, and his companion, Michele Sigana, 32. He apparently took two other weapons from Lussier's house — a handgun and a shotgun.

The teenager also put on his grandfather's bulletproof vest and gun belt, said the FBI's Tabman. Weise then drove his grandfather's marked squad car to the one-story brick high school.

Just after 3 p.m., Weise was confronted outside the school entrance by the unarmed security guard, 28-year-old Derrick Brun. He shot Brun dead.

Weise stormed through a metal detector and saw a popular English teacher, Neva Rogers, 52, and a group of students in the hallway, Tabman said. When Rogers herded the students into a classroom, Weise followed.

"It is then that he opened fire," Tabman said.

He shot Rogers first, then fired on the students. Dwayne Lewis, Chase Lussier, Chanelle Rosebear and Thurlene Stillday, all age 15, and 14-year-old Alicia Spike were killed.

Preston Graves said his son had left that classroom only minutes before. He was nearby, in a room that had been darkened so students could watch a movie about Shakespeare.

"My son saw [Weise] look in the door, but it was dark — he must have thought no one was there," Graves said. "Then my son and the others heard shots from the next room. They got quiet and heard about 14 more rounds."

Tabman said Weise went back into the hallway firing randomly into the school. Four police officers who had arrived at the school exchanged gunfire with the teenager.

"He then went back into the classroom where he had previously fired on those people and took his own life," the FBI agent said.

Tabman said that "the nature of the activity would indicate that there was some planning." But, he said, the victims appear to have been picked at random. There was no evidence of a hit list and no history of grudges or animosity among the students.

School security videotapes captured Weise in the hallway, but did not show him shooting. Tabman said the incident lasted less than 10 minutes, leaving the school littered with spent bullets.

Alicia Neaudeau, 17, said Tuesday that she knew Weise well enough to wave at him in the hall of the 355-student school and ask him about homework. She said it was known that Weise, like many others on a reservation where half the children were living in poverty, was being raised by his grandparents.

She said he was quiet, and "always seemed like a pretty cool guy." Then she broke into sobs. Her hands shook as she clung to her mother. Neaudeau said that when the shooting started, her teacher told the class to hide.

"We hung on to one another, closed the door and tried to disappear," she said.

Ralph Cloud Jr., 20, graduated from Red Lake High School three years ago. He said he remembered Weise as "like me — in that some kids teased him the way they teased me. But I just ignored them and went to my classes."

In such a small school, everyone recognized everyone else, Cloud said. But he said the high school was stratified: "There's the popular kids, and then there's everybody else."

Weise's distinctive wardrobe — his long, dark coat and combat boots — may have set him apart, but school violence expert Kenneth S. Trump of Cleveland cautioned Tuesday against pigeonholing the teenager.

"There is a natural tendency to want to look for a 'profile,' " he said. "I don't like that word. It is not a particular appearance of a child. It is the behavior — and in particular, a change in the behavior of a child that we should be looking at."

Authorities had set up roadblocks and cordoned off areas with yellow police tape on this reservation of 5,000 people about 100 miles from the Canadian border.

The school was shut down. Flags on half a dozen poles along the reservation's main road stood at half-staff.

At the Capitol in St. Paul on Tuesday, several hundred people attended a Native American prayer ceremony for the shooting victims. Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty expressed condolences to the Red Lake community .

"It looks like you had a very disturbed individual who was able to overcome a lot of precautions to do a lot of damage," the governor said.

On Tuesday evening, scores of Native Americans from the reservation and friends from the area gathered at St. Bartholomew's Episcopal Church in Bemidji, about 30 miles from Red Lake. They were there to grieve and, they said, to take the first step toward healing.

posted 01 May 2005 06:45 AM            

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Why is this such an important issue?[/B]

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It isn't.

One of the things that are impressive about best of sicily is their ability to acknowledge the obvious facts of heterogeniety in southern Europe without treating it like some terrible truth that will bring the world to and end, and so must be denied at all cost.

It's only the inability of bigoted idiots to get a grip on reality that caused this thread to "explode".

From Best of Sicily:
"Norman Sicily stood forth in Europe --and indeed in the whole bigoted medieval world-- as an example of tolerance and enlightenment, a lesson in the respect that every man should feel for those whose blood and beliefs happen to differ from his own." - Michele Amari