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S.Mohammad
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posted 17 November 2004 10:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for S.Mohammad     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The oldest remains of Homo sapiens sapiens found in East Africa were associated with an industry having similarities with the Capsian. It has been called Upper Kenyan Capsian, although its derivation from the North African Capsian is far from certain. At Gamble's Cave in Kenya, five human skeletons were associated with a late phase of the industry, Upper Kenya Capsian C, which contains pottery. A similar associationis presumed for a skeleton found at Olduvai, which resembles those from Gamble's Cave. The date of Upper Kenya Capsian C is not precisely known (an earlier phase from Prospect Farm on Eburru Mountain close to Gamble's Cave has been dated to about 8000 BC); but the presence of pottery indicates a rather later date, perhaps around 400 BC. The skeletons are of very tall people. They had long, narrow heads, and relatively long, narrow faces. The nose was of medium width; and prognathism, when present, was restricted to the alveolar, or tooth-bearing, region.

Many authors regard these people as physically akin to the Mediterraneans, hence the label of 'Caucasoids' (or European-like) generally attached to them. However, all their features can be found in several living populations of East Africa, like the Tutsi of Rwanda and Burundi, who are very dark skinned and differ greatly from Europeans in anumber of body proportions.............

From the foregoing, it is tempting to locate the area of differentiation of these people in the interior of East Africa. Now, as mentioned in Chapter 3, the fossil record tells of tall people with long and narrow heads, faces and noses who lived a few thousand years BC in East Africa at such places as Gamble's Cave in the Kenya Rift Valley and at Olduvai in northern Tanzania. There is every reason to believe that they are ancestral to the living 'Elongated East Africans'. Neither of these populations, fossil and modern, should be considered to be closely related to Caucasoids of Europe and western Asia, as they usually are in literature.

Jean Hiernaux

The People of Africa(Peoples of the World Series)

pgs 42-43, 62-63

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rasol
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posted 17 November 2004 11:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for rasol     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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posted 17 November 2004 11:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Horemheb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The above was the smartest post rasol has made since he has been on this board.

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posted 17 November 2004 11:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for rasol     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
One of the nice things about this forum is that intelligent posts such as S Mohammad's above are always aknowledged as such. Should you ever present one, it will be so aknowledged. Until then, enjoy your sour grapes.

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S.Mohammad
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posted 17 November 2004 11:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for S.Mohammad     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As already discussed in Chapters 5 and 6, a number of African populations have an elongated body build, with narrow head, face, and nose. Their skin is dark(in varying degree), their hair is spiralled, and they have thick but everted lips. In many of these people, such as the Tutsi of Rwanda and Burundi and related Hima of Uganda, the Masai of the East African steppes and the Ful communities of the Western Sudanic savanna, there is no evidence of an exotic(Arabic or North African) element in their gene pool. Their physical features can best explained in terms of genetic adaptation to dry heat. Apparently they represent the result of a peculiar evolution in the semi-arid crescent which caps sub-Saharan Africa to the north and northeast.

Jean Hiernaux
The People of Africa(Peoples of the World Series)

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S.Mohammad
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posted 17 November 2004 11:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for S.Mohammad     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by rasol:
One of the nice things about this forum is that intelligent posts such as S Mohammad's above are always aknowledged as such. Should you ever present one, it will be so aknowledged. Until then, enjoy your [b]sour grapes.

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thanks man!! Horemheb could have had a better response.

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posted 17 November 2004 11:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ausar     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
S. Mohammed, do you have acess to the book The Living Races of the Sahara? In this book it documents the Haratin being the oldest of the Saharan people. Also check out The Stone Age Races of North-western Africa by L.C. Cabbot Briggs also.


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posted 17 November 2004 02:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Thought2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by S.Mohammad:
As already discussed in Chapters 5 and 6, a number of African populations have an elongated body build, with narrow head, face, and nose. Their skin is dark(in varying degree), their hair is spiralled, and they have thick but everted lips. In many of these people, such as the Tutsi of Rwanda and Burundi and related Hima of Uganda, the Masai of the East African steppes and the Ful communities of the Western Sudanic savanna, there is no evidence of an exotic(Arabic or North African) element in their gene pool. Their physical features can best explained in terms of genetic adaptation to dry heat. Apparently they represent the result of a peculiar evolution in the semi-arid crescent which caps sub-Saharan Africa to the north and northeast.

Jean Hiernaux
The People of Africa(Peoples of the World Series)

pg 126



Thought Writes:

You mean to tell me that the original East Africans were not caucasians as Dienekes would have us believe. LOL!

Great post Said!

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posted 17 November 2004 05:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for supercar     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Many authors regard these people as physically akin to the Mediterraneans, hence the label of 'Caucasoids' (or European-like) generally attached to them. However, all their features can be found in several living populations of East Africa, like the Tutsi of Rwanda and Burundi, who are very dark skinned and differ greatly from Europeans in anumber of body proportions.............

From the foregoing, it is tempting to locate the area of differentiation of these people in the interior of East Africa. Now, as mentioned in Chapter 3, the fossil record tells of tall people with long and narrow heads, faces and noses who lived a few thousand years BC in East Africa at such places as Gamble's Cave in the Kenya Rift Valley and at Olduvai in northern Tanzania. There is every reason to believe that they are ancestral to the living 'Elongated East Africans'. Neither of these populations, fossil and modern, should be considered to be closely related to Caucasoids of Europe and western Asia, as they usually are in literature.


It is refreshing to know that more and more published material is coming out of Western nations, dispelling disinformation that has its roots in 18th century European pseudo-science. Only diffusionists, particularly those in the circles of white supremacists, still hold onto remnants of long debunked 18th century material, using "caucasians" as the template of certain physical adaptations. One only has to look at the fact that "caucasians" are simply derivatives of Africans, and that their so-called "template" physical features had long been present in the continent of Homo Sapiens origin, a.k.a. Africa, even before any such race ever existed!

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posted 17 November 2004 06:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for rasol     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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One only has to look at the fact that "caucasians" are simply derivatives of Africans, and that their so-called "template" physical features had long been present in the continent of Homo Sapiens origin, a.k.a. Africa, even before any such race ever existed
...assuming there is any such thing now.

I think it is also important to remember that other phenotypes such as Australian aborigine (who have some broad african features), and East Asian (who have some Khoisanoid features) and South East Asian (Pygmy) who have diminuative features are also African derived.

Simply put: there is nothing special about the 'Europid.' They are just another group of people who migrated out of Africa at some point in time, with whatever arbitrary set of inherited African features and genes which they eventually modified to a cold climate. They are not the alpha, the omega, the apex or the center - they are simply a leaf on one of many branches, no more, no less.

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posted 17 November 2004 06:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lamin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Such traits are also seen with the Acoli of Uganda, the Wolof of the Senegambia region of West Africa, the northern Yoruba, the Hausa, etc. What is also evident is that such groups tend to be tallish in structure and doliocephalic--supposedly a trait that early 20th century European physical anthropologists claimed to be common with the Nordics.

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