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Wally
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posted 04 August 2004 01:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Wally     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There seems to be much confusion as to why there's so much foreign presence in the current Egyptian population and in some cases, "just who are the Arabs"...Since there is no need to re-invent the wheel, Professor C.A. Diop has already explained this:

(I took the liberty of updating the term 'Black.')

Origins of the Arabs

Arabia According to Lenormant,36 a Kushite Empire originally existed throughout Arabia. This was the epoch personified by the Adites of Ad, grandsons of Ham, the Biblical ancestor of the Blacks. Cheddade, a son of Ad and builder of the legendary "Earthly Paradise" mentioned in the Koran, belongs to the epoch called that of the "First Adites." This empire was destroyed in the eighteenth century B.C. by an invasion of coarse, white Jectanide tribes, who apparently came to settle among the Blacks. Before long, however, the Kushite element regained political and cultural control. The first White tribes were completely absorbed by the Kushites. This epoch was called that of the "Second Adites." (Cf. Lenormant, pp. 260-261.) These facts, on which even Arab authors agree, prove, as will shortly become more evident, that the Arab race cannot be conceived as anything but a mixture of Blacks and Whites, a process continuing even today. These same facts also prove that traits common to Black culture and Semitic culture have been borrowed from the Blacks. The reverse is historically false. To attempt to explain the Black Egyptian world by the so-called Semitic world should be impossible on the basis of no more than a few grammatical similarities, such as suffixal conjugations, pronoun suffixes, and ( for the feminine. The Semitic world, as we conceive of it today, is too recent to explain Egypt. As we have seen, prior to the eighteenth century B.C., only Blackes (Kushites, in official terminology) were found in the region of Arabia. Infiltrations before the second millennium were relatively

The Beginning of the End of Kemetian Independence

But the whole history of Egypt, as we shall see, shows that the Tanis, the Biblical Zoan, at the mouth of the eastern branch of the Nile Delta. mixture of the early population with white nomadic elements, conquerors or merchants, became increasingly important as the end of Egyptian history approached. According to Cornelius de Pauw, in the low epoch Egypt was almost saturated with foreign white colonies:
Arabs in Coptos, Libyans on the future site of Alexandria, Jews around the city of Hercules (Avaris?), Babylonians (or Persians) below Memphis, "fugitive Trojans" in the area of the great stone quarries east of the Nile, Carians and lonians over by the Pelusiac branch. Psammetichus (end of seventh century) capped this peaceful invasion by entrusting the defense of Egypt to Greek mercenaries. "An enormous mistake of Pharaoh Psammetichus was to commit the defense of Egypt to foreign troops and to introduce various colonies made up of the dregs of the nations."14 Under the last Saite dynasty, the Greeks were officially established at Naucratis, the only port where foreigners were authorized to engage in trading.


After the conquest of Egypt by Alexander, under the Ptolemies, crossbreeding between white Greeks and black Egyptians flourished, thanks to a policy of assimilation: "Nowhere was Dionysus more favored, nowhere was he worshiped more adoringly and more elaborately than by the Ptolemies, who recognized his cult as an especially effective .means of promoting the assimilation of the conquering Greeks and their fusion with the native Egyptians

--The African Origin of Civilization

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Wally
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posted 04 August 2004 02:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Wally     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Wally:
There seems to be much confusion as to why there's so much foreign presence in the current Egyptian population and in some cases, "just who are the Arabs"...Since there is no need to re-invent the wheel, Professor C.A. Diop has already explained this:

(I took the liberty of updating the term 'Negro.')

[b]Origins of the Arabs

Arabia According to Lenormant,36 a Kushite Empire originally existed throughout Arabia. This was the epoch personified by the Adites of Ad, grandsons of Ham, the Biblical ancestor of the Blacks. Cheddade, a son of Ad and builder of the legendary "Earthly Paradise" mentioned in the Koran, belongs to the epoch called that of the "First Adites." This empire was destroyed in the eighteenth century B.C. by an invasion of coarse, white Jectanide tribes, who apparently came to settle among the Blacks. Before long, however, the Kushite element regained political and cultural control. The first White tribes were completely absorbed by the Kushites. This epoch was called that of the "Second Adites." (Cf. Lenormant, pp. 260-261.) These facts, on which even Arab authors agree, prove, as will shortly become more evident, that the Arab race cannot be conceived as anything but a mixture of Blacks and Whites, a process continuing even today. These same facts also prove that traits common to Black culture and Semitic culture have been borrowed from the Blacks. The reverse is historically false. To attempt to explain the Black Egyptian world by the so-called Semitic world should be impossible on the basis of no more than a few grammatical similarities, such as suffixal conjugations, pronoun suffixes, and ( for the feminine. The Semitic world, as we conceive of it today, is too recent to explain Egypt. As we have seen, prior to the eighteenth century B.C., only Blackes (Kushites, in official terminology) were found in the region of Arabia. Infiltrations before the second millennium were relatively

The Beginning of the End of Kemetian Independence

But the whole history of Egypt, as we shall see, shows that the Tanis, the Biblical Zoan, at the mouth of the eastern branch of the Nile Delta. mixture of the early population with white nomadic elements, conquerors or merchants, became increasingly important as the end of Egyptian history approached. According to Cornelius de Pauw, in the low epoch Egypt was almost saturated with foreign white colonies:
Arabs in Coptos, Libyans on the future site of Alexandria, Jews around the city of Hercules (Avaris?), Babylonians (or Persians) below Memphis, "fugitive Trojans" in the area of the great stone quarries east of the Nile, Carians and lonians over by the Pelusiac branch. Psammetichus (end of seventh century) capped this peaceful invasion by entrusting the defense of Egypt to Greek mercenaries. "An enormous mistake of Pharaoh Psammetichus was to commit the defense of Egypt to foreign troops and to introduce various colonies made up of the dregs of the nations."14 Under the last Saite dynasty, the Greeks were officially established at Naucratis, the only port where foreigners were authorized to engage in trading.


After the conquest of Egypt by Alexander, under the Ptolemies, crossbreeding between white Greeks and black Egyptians flourished, thanks to a policy of assimilation: "Nowhere was Dionysus more favored, nowhere was he worshiped more adoringly and more elaborately than by the Ptolemies, who recognized his cult as an especially effective .means of promoting the assimilation of the conquering Greeks and their fusion with the native Egyptians

--The African Origin of Civilization [/B]


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rasol
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posted 07 August 2004 01:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for rasol     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The best theory I've heard for the origins of semitic peoples is precisely that they are such a mixture. And I have never heard theory of their origins, or seen studies of DNA that refute this fact.

Indeed, from Arabia to Sumeria and ancient Palestine (Isreal), Asiatic civilization cannot in any way be demonstrated to be "homogeneous". Not genetically, and certainly not culturally. And the same is true for European, so called western/Greek based civilization.

This is important to keep in mind when ancient African civilization such as Kemet and Kush are discussed.

A last gasp effort of Eurocentric/classisists is predicated on arguing that Black African civilization cannot be deemed accordingly, because it is not homogeneous.

Such an argument is flounderingly hypocritical, for reasons (among which) are illuminated in the parent post.

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ausar
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posted 07 August 2004 02:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ausar     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Semetic is a linguistic label and not a racial grouping as some people mistakenly think. Most linguist agree that the Semetic language and other Afro-Asiatic languages all have their origins within either the Sahara region or within the Horn of Africa. Proto-Semetic most likley crossed over from Eastern Africa to Yemen.

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