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ausar Moderator Posts: 1076 |
posted 26 January 2004 10:59 AM
CHANNEL 5, FRIDAY MAY 2ND AT 9PM DISCOVERY NETWORK USA, FEB 17 2003
The background: the lost society of the central Sahara and the rise of ancient Egypt The answer has come from an unlikely quarter – the barren Sahara desert. In the last few decades evidence has been mounting that the Egyptian civilisation was not the first advanced society in Africa. At the same time as Mesopotamia rose in the near east, another culture thrived in Africa. Although few people have heard of it – this central Saharan culture is providing evidence for the invention of ritual activity which had previously been attributed to the Egyptians. The society was nomadic – groups of animal herders wandered all over the region and eventually spread their uniform culture throughout the continent of north Africa. They lived in huts and had time to make art and invent rituals. By the time the culture reached its pinnacle around 6ooo years ago these people had invented rituals which indicate a fairly complex world view. They were communicating with the heavens and using funerary rituals like mummification to treat their dead. Www.fordham.edu/halsall/ancient/herod-Libya.htm <http://www.fordham.edu/HALSALL/ANCIENT/HEROD-LIBYA.HTM> sales enquiries l please contact martin long, head of production l t 020 7689 4248 l f 020 7490 0206 l e info@fulcrumtv.com <mailto:info@fulcrumtv.com> The term 'aqualithic' was coined by John Sutton, in an article in the _Journal of African History_ in IIRC 1973. It referred of course to the dependence of people living on many of those sites on aquatic resources in the early Holocene hyper-moist Sahara, as you say. John S. may have been thinking of the earlier ascriptions of Khatroum Mesolithic and Khartoum Neolithic (both unfortunate) for these traditions -- I forget, I don't have that material here at home. There are some other sites south of Khartoum that are probably earlier than the Khartoum sites. Scott ___________________________________________________________________ Scott MacEachern Department of Sociology and Anthropology Bowdoin College Brunswick, ME 04011 IP: Logged |
somdweller Junior Member Posts: 28 |
posted 06 February 2004 11:16 PM
this topic is of great interest to me. the fulani are of great interest to me. i hope the west african portion of the sahara is included in this program. but it does'nt matter because the fula stretch from senegal to ethiopia. some of the last great cattle herders of africa. (respect the dinkas!). as the savannah became dryer they had to move further south to what would become the sahel. the tamashek don't herd cattle. this program could change the concept of "sub-saharan" when people realize blacks have a history in the sahara just as much as berbers do. (respect the tamashek!) IP: Logged |
Keino Member Posts: 126 |
posted 07 February 2004 12:46 AM
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ausar Moderator Posts: 1076 |
posted 07 February 2004 12:47 AM
Somb,many Kel tamelsehq[Tuaregs] are genetically similar to Beja people in tjhe Sudan and Eastern Africa. Black groups like the Haratin in Southern Morocco to the Tuat Oasis still live in their respective areas. These people are most likley to desend from those Neolithic dwellers. This ''black'' mummy has been known for quite a while,but it remains that it is know recieveing the attention it deserves. By the way,the most proable origin of the Tuareg is probally somewhere in Eastern Africa. IP: Logged |
somdweller Junior Member Posts: 28 |
posted 07 February 2004 08:29 AM
ausar, what is your opinion of the "blue eyed" berbers. i've seen many different looks of the kel tamashek but never one with blue eyes. "aryan" groups are always quick to mention the blond hair, blue eyed berber. i think people also need to realize the effect the sahara had on africa. desertification allowed coastal mediterranian peoples to set up their towns on the coast. most north african cities are on the mediterranian with exception of egypts nile cities. makes sense right, you live in a giant desert. many people live in the desert but lets be serious, most of north africa's population lives by the great sea. parts of north africa become totally exposed to mediterranean peoples. what do you guys think? p.s. are "arabs" really in control of north africa. in algeria and morocco the kids would rather speak french than arabic. i'm a black american with various ethnic backrounds, yet i am still black. what happened to the city dwellers of north africa. it seems the desert nomads are the only berbers who remember who they are. am i right? [This message has been edited by somdweller (edited 07 February 2004).] IP: Logged |
ausar Moderator Posts: 1076 |
posted 07 February 2004 09:00 AM
I don't know what you mean by blue-eyed Tamsheq because most that I have seen are dark skinned. The Tuaregs have mixed with some white slaves that came in and out the magreb or with other Amazigh[Berbers]. You do realize there are still black people living in Magreb like the Haratin in Southern Morocco and the Tibbu in Fezzan Libya. The Sahara was never a barrier. Algerians are known as Kaybele and Moroccans are known as Riffian,Shueleh,and Souss. Haratin live in the Oasis areas of Southern Morocco and Algeria. Right know the Amazigh in Algeria are fighting for representation and indepedence. I would say most Northern African Amazigh know who they are. IP: Logged |
somdweller Junior Member Posts: 28 |
posted 07 February 2004 09:10 AM
exactly. i'm am refering the berbers of the atlas mountains. i've never seen a kel tamashek with blue eyes. most kel tamashek would have had to sit on the back of the bus. so you are saying that their were numerous white slaves in antiquity north africa? IP: Logged |
ausar Moderator Posts: 1076 |
posted 07 February 2004 09:30 AM
The oldest cultures in Northern Africa are Iberian-Maruasian,Capsians,Metch-Aflou,and Tarifit. You also have the Sahara where the Neolithic negriod population has always lived in Central and Southern Sahara. These people were pastorial people that left plenty of rock art depictions around Tassil Najjer in Southern Algeria to even parts of Mali. IP: Logged |
ausar Moderator Posts: 1076 |
posted 07 February 2004 09:47 AM
Not so much in antiquity but during the Islamic period Moors brought many white slaves from Spain into Magreb. Most were ''white'' slavic harem girls that came via-Sephardic slave traders in Cordova. The other ''white'' Berbers like the Kaybele,Riffi,and others have probally been there for a while. Egyptians in their reliefs depict the Libyans as two different phenotypes:the Tamahou with fair skin and red hair,and the Technou with dark brown skin. Speakers of Amazight go back 7000 years. They are the Imazigen Branches and probable date of split: Herodotus described Libyans as indigenees of Afrika. Egyptian Tehenou and Tamahou were not the same ethnic type. The first Oric Bates who wrote on the Eastern Libyans records Afrikoid C. M. Daniels makes a similar report in The Garamantes of Later in time the Tamahou begin to appear in Egyptian paintings. IP: Logged |
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